geoffrey Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 Dion and the Liberals will get a free pass from the Liberal-backed (and taxpayer-funded) CBC/Toronto Star/Globe and Mail establishment so I think it's necessary for Harper to take his case to the people. Bullshit. The Globe and Mail endorsed Harper as their candidate of choice in the last election. Harper will yet again get the endorsement of the Jewish CanWest/GlobeMedia for his support of Israel. CBC and the Toronto star, yes. But the Globe and Mail is actually fairly open minded. I read the G&M daily. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Saturn Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 The smear campaign seems to extend to the media, the civil service, judiciary and probably next you'll be blaming a stupid electorate. Of course it should. Now that Steve is firing public servants for not using his political slogans in correspondence. Next thing you know, judges will be wearing "Canada's New Government" buttons or get fired. Quote
jdobbin Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Posted January 28, 2007 CBC and the Toronto star, yes. But the Globe and Mail is actually fairly open minded. I read the G&M daily. All the big newspapers endorsed Harper except the Star. And people seriously overestimate the CBC National News influence. They often are not even in the top 10. They are not even the top rated national news. And they don't endorse candidates. Quote
sharkman Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 Dion and the Liberals will get a free pass from the Liberal-backed (and taxpayer-funded) CBC/Toronto Star/Globe and Mail establishment so I think it's necessary for Harper to take his case to the people. Bullshit. The Globe and Mail endorsed Harper as their candidate of choice in the last election. Harper will yet again get the endorsement of the Jewish CanWest/GlobeMedia for his support of Israel. The Globe and Mail? Are you kidding me? Edit: I guess you're not, I just found proof! Wow, I don't know how I missed that. Quote
jdobbin Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Posted January 28, 2007 The Globe and Mail? Are you kidding me? Are you denying they endorsed Harper? Quote
geoffrey Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 And people seriously overestimate the CBC National News influence. They often are not even in the top 10. They are not even the top rated national news. And they don't endorse candidates. No no Dobbin, I agree with you. It doesn't change a rather unhidden bias. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
jdobbin Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Posted January 28, 2007 No no Dobbin, I agree with you. It doesn't change a rather unhidden bias. I don't deny they have a bias. I dispute its overall influence. Quote
Saturn Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 CBC and the Toronto star, yes. But the Globe and Mail is actually fairly open minded. I read the G&M daily. All the big newspapers endorsed Harper except the Star. And people seriously overestimate the CBC National News influence. They often are not even in the top 10. They are not even the top rated national news. And they don't endorse candidates. Indeed, all the big newspapers endorsed Harper (except The Star). CanWest's owners (David Asper) even went on the campaign trail with Harper. All the Jewish media (except the CBC and the Star) endorsed Harper for his pro-Israeli stance (and the GST cut which would be beneficial to media corporations unlike Martin's personal income tax cut). The Jewish media came out with headlines like "Why You Should Vote Conservative" the weekend before the election and then they go after the CBC for not being biased enough. Even Larry Zolf on the CBC went from criticizing Harper for his many acts of hypocrisy to nearly worshiping him after Harper's government became the first to openly support Israel against the Palestinians. And then you wonder why MacKay meets with all foreign ministers on his Middle East trip except the Palestinian minister, whom he openly snubs. It's a very mutually beneficial relationship the Conservatives have with the Jewish media. The Conservatives support the Jewish position and the media, lead by CanWest, get to ask all the questions at Harper's press conferences and endorse him between and during election campaigns. Quote
Saturn Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 No no Dobbin, I agree with you. It doesn't change a rather unhidden bias. I don't deny they have a bias. I dispute its overall influence. What bias do they have? The bias that they don't endorse every action of Harper's and don't splash "Why You Should Vote Conservative" all over the TV screen? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 IF there's one thing the Cons love to do is blaming the Libs for all the problems of the government. When the government goes back to work you see the "court jester" the "NEW" environment minister Baird, make jokes and blame the Libs for the environment. They seem to praise the US for their environment, when the truth of the matter is, in the summer when the winds come out of the south, so does their pollution!! When Ontario wanted help to put the coal-generator out of commission and put in a nuke, the money for it that Martin set aside was cancelled by Harper. Harper caring about the environment is just an act to get a majority government in the next election. TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!!!!! Just for the record, Dion now supports Bush on the environment: From a recent edition of the Toronto Star - buried of course, near the end of an article with an unrelated headline: Even U.S. President George W. Bush – whose administration consistently questioned the science behind climate change – put forward "the kind of plan we need everywhere," Dion said. Link: http://www.thestar.com/News/article/174709 He's a clever one, that Dion. Quote Back to Basics
jbg Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 And where, exactly, is the $400,000+ for Super Bowl advertising going to come from? Old ladies who donated to the CPC hoping for a ban on gay marriage. Better than twelve year olds for Volpe. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
fellowtraveller Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 CBC and the Toronto star, yes. But the Globe and Mail is actually fairly open minded. I read the G&M daily. All the big newspapers endorsed Harper except the Star. And people seriously overestimate the CBC National News influence. They often are not even in the top 10. They are not even the top rated national news. And they don't endorse candidates. Indeed, all the big newspapers endorsed Harper (except The Star). CanWest's owners (David Asper) even went on the campaign trail with Harper. All the Jewish media (except the CBC and the Star) endorsed Harper for his pro-Israeli stance (and the GST cut which would be beneficial to media corporations unlike Martin's personal income tax cut). The Jewish media came out with headlines like "Why You Should Vote Conservative" the weekend before the election and then they go after the CBC for not being biased enough. Even Larry Zolf on the CBC went from criticizing Harper for his many acts of hypocrisy to nearly worshiping him after Harper's government became the first to openly support Israel against the Palestinians. And then you wonder why MacKay meets with all foreign ministers on his Middle East trip except the Palestinian minister, whom he openly snubs. It's a very mutually beneficial relationship the Conservatives have with the Jewish media. The Conservatives support the Jewish position and the media, lead by CanWest, get to ask all the questions at Harper's press conferences and endorse him between and during election campaigns. Wow. I find the comments above extremely distasteful. Is this sort of overt bigotry normally tolerated here? Or is everybody except me a victim of Zionist Mind Control? Quote The government should do something.
jdobbin Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Posted January 28, 2007 What bias do they have? The bias that they don't endorse every action of Harper's and don't splash "Why You Should Vote Conservative" all over the TV screen? Bias comes from many sources. It comes from education, it comes from being in a union or not being in one, it comes from age, gender and yes...politics. I don't know of an unbiased news source. CBC does have its biases. It also has a mandate to evenly give time to all political parties. It does that. It has pundits from various sources. For whatever bias it does have, I don't give it half has as much influence over political views that the right wing does here. Quote
tml12 Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 Dion and the Liberals will get a free pass from the Liberal-backed (and taxpayer-funded) CBC/Toronto Star/Globe and Mail establishment so I think it's necessary for Harper to take his case to the people. Bullshit. The Globe and Mail endorsed Harper as their candidate of choice in the last election. Harper will yet again get the endorsement of the Jewish CanWest/GlobeMedia for his support of Israel. I didn't know that...I take that back (although I am a National Post reader myself, the only fair and balanced newspaper in Canada that isn't run by the Liberal MSM establishment, even though it's based in TO). Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
tml12 Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 The smear campaign seems to extend to the media, the civil service, judiciary and probably next you'll be blaming a stupid electorate. Of course it should. Now that Steve is firing public servants for not using his political slogans in correspondence. Next thing you know, judges will be wearing "Canada's New Government" buttons or get fired. If you can call Harper "Steve" can I call Dion "Stephie?" Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
tml12 Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 And where, exactly, is the $400,000+ for Super Bowl advertising going to come from? Old ladies who donated to the CPC hoping for a ban on gay marriage. Better than twelve year olds for Volpe. At least when twelve year olds "donate" to Bill Graham, he gives them services in return. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jbg Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 At least when twelve year olds "donate" to Bill Graham, he gives them services in return. Good one. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 If you can call Harper "Steve" can I call Dion "Stephie?" No, because that would be inappropriate and evidence of Conservatives bias against Quebec. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
stignasty Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 I didn't know that...I take that back (although I am a National Post reader myself, the only fair and balanced newspaper in Canada that isn't run by the Liberal MSM establishment, even though it's based in TO). yeah, it's "fair and balanced" alright, like Fox News. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
Saturn Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 I didn't know that...I take that back (although I am a National Post reader myself, the only fair and balanced newspaper in Canada that isn't run by the Liberal MSM establishment, even though it's based in TO). Yes, the National Post's owner, Mr. David Asper, went campaigning with Mr. Harper in the last election. Of course, this implies that his paper (which is ran on a very short leash) is fair and balanced. Quote
tml12 Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 I didn't know that...I take that back (although I am a National Post reader myself, the only fair and balanced newspaper in Canada that isn't run by the Liberal MSM establishment, even though it's based in TO). Yes, the National Post's owner, Mr. David Asper, went campaigning with Mr. Harper in the last election. Of course, this implies that his paper (which is ran on a very short leash) is fair and balanced. At the very least, you can balance it out with the CBC. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
tml12 Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 I didn't know that...I take that back (although I am a National Post reader myself, the only fair and balanced newspaper in Canada that isn't run by the Liberal MSM establishment, even though it's based in TO). yeah, it's "fair and balanced" alright, like Fox News. You know, it seems right of centre because the MSM is so Liberal. Thus, when you read "endorse Harper" and "we need change," instead of *scary* *scary* *scary* you begin to think how right-wing it MUST be. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jdobbin Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Posted January 28, 2007 Tory attack ads begin tonight. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/tory_attack_ads Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 Tory attack ads begin tonight.http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/tory_attack_ads It is good. Dion has flip-flopped so much in his almost two months as leader you gotta keep it fresh in people's minds. My favourite flip-flop was on his French citizenship. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
stignasty Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 flip-floppedflip-flop French citizenship. Gotta get those talking points in. . . Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
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