Dangerous Times

[PolyNewbie]

Whic is the most dangerous element or characteristic of North American society today ?

I voted stupidity.

[Drea]

Whic is the most dangerous element or characteristic of North American society today ?

I voted stupidity.

I too, voted stupidity.

It continues to amaze me how people can swallow the pap fed to them from the US govt. How can a person look at the damaged pentagon, nod and say "yup hit by a jet airplane". Why is the hole so small when an airliner is so big? Where is the damage that the wings would have caused? For that matter - where are the wings? Did they disintegrate? Where are the passengers' bodies? Disintegrated?

But we can be thankful there are some out there who question it. -- You keep it up Polynewbie!

[PolyNewbie]

Where is the 2.3 trillion dollars that Rumsfeld announced as missing on Sept 10 2001? I don't think a lot of them realize how much money that is. Rumsfelds explanation for it is more rediculous than their explanation for 911.

Thanks Drea

[guyser]

Where is the 2.3 trillion dollars that Rumsfeld announced as missing on Sept 10 2001? I don't think a lot of them realize how much money that is. Rumsfelds explanation for it is more rediculous than their explanation for 911.

Thanks Drea

Bet if he knew where the money was, he would not announce it as missing ? But then again, thats just my logic.

Oh, I voted stupidity too.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Drea,

How can a person look at the damaged pentagon, nod and say "yup hit by a jet airplane". Why is the hole so small when an airliner is so big? Where is the damage that the wings would have caused? For that matter - where are the wings? Did they disintegrate? Where are the passengers' bodies? Disintegrated?

Jets disintegrate when they hit reinforced concrete. Click on this link,

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/test_flying_videos.htm

and go to 'jet versus wall'. Look at 1, 2, and 3. #1 contains the audio commentary, and uses the word 'atomized'.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I too, voted stupidity. It continues to amaze me how people can swallow the pap fed to them from the US govt. How can a person look at the damaged pentagon, nod and say "yup hit by a jet airplane". Why is the hole so small when an airliner is so big? Where is the damage that the wings would have caused? For that matter - where are the wings? Did they disintegrate? Where are the passengers' bodies? Disintegrated?

I can't begin to describe the beautiful irony of that statement, with regards to "stupidity".

[Drea]

Ready for your shearing Jerr?

What about the tail section? Where is it? Did it get "atomized" too?

If I ram my car into a brick wall, my taillights will remain undamaged. So it makes sense that the tail of the airliner should have remained undamaged.

There is NO debris on the Pentagon lawn. Explain this please. Did all the baggage get "atomized"? Did the bodies of the passengers get "atomized"? Surely ONE bit of evidence of an airliner (and all that it carries) would have survived.

Get a grip. Airliners do not "disappear" or "atomize" completely upon impact.

[guyser]

Get a grip. Airliners do not "disappear" or "atomize" completely upon impact.

I agree... I guess the space shuttle just stopped in mid air and then floated down to earth....didn't it?

Cuz ya know...it didn't "hit" anything.

[Drea]

You're really grasping at straws now -- comparing entering the atmosphere to hitting a building...

Can I take my Grand Am out into space? Yah think I'll survive re-entry. DUH.

By the way -- bits of the shuttle were found. Bits of the so-called plane that hit the pentagon WERE NOT THERE IN THE ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPHS.

But of course, computer enhancement has not been invented yet.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ready for your shearing Jerr?

What about the tail section? Where is it? Did it get "atomized" too?

If I ram my car into a brick wall, my taillights will remain undamaged. So it makes sense that the tail of the airliner should have remained undamaged.

There is NO debris on the Pentagon lawn. Explain this please. Did all the baggage get "atomized"? Did the bodies of the passengers get "atomized"? Surely ONE bit of evidence of an airliner (and all that it carries) would have survived.

Get a grip. Airliners do not "disappear" or "atomize" completely upon impact.

Your claim certainly wouldn't resonate with the family member of the dead passengers.

[JerrySeinfeld]

and now I'm going to really shear you (it must be a slow day - I can't believe I'm actually engaging in this conversation):

From Popular Mechanics:

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

Also:

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

Link with pictures

[Canadian Blue]

I voted stupidity, because all of the choices are a by-product of stupidity. Not to mention the stupidity of the first two people posting because they can't find anything better to do other than look at pictures and make observation's based on absolutely no expertise, despite the fact the experts say differently. However oddly enough all of the experts are funded by the CIA according to them.

Looking at a photo isn't the same as being an expert in civil engineering, or for that matter airplane crashes.

[Liam]

It's Stupidity for me... er... wait a minute!

[PolyNewbie]

I'm going to put up a new survey. This one was misinterpreted.

[guyser]

I'm going to put up a new survey. This one was misinterpreted.

Oh this was not misinterpreted. Stupidity is our biggest threat. We have our reasons, and a few of you and yours have your own reasons.

[jbg]

Whic is the most dangerous element or characteristic of North American society today ?

I voted stupidity.

People who believe in conspiracy theories generally evince stupidity.

[GostHacked]

Get a grip. Airliners do not "disappear" or "atomize" completely upon impact.

I agree... I guess the space shuttle just stopped in mid air and then floated down to earth....didn't it?

Cuz ya know...it didn't "hit" anything.

OK, I was not sure but now I will vote for stupid.

From Challenger and Columbia there was debris spread out over a large area. And they have more peices from one shuttle compared to the debris about the plane at the Pentagon. And they eveh had to SEARCH hard for the debris for the shuttles. And this is not even a fair comparison.

[PolyNewbie]

JBG:People who believe in conspiracy theories generally evince stupidity.

So you don't believe conspiracies exist ? Are you really a lawyer ?

[newbie]

Whic is the most dangerous element or characteristic of North American society today ?

I voted stupidity.

People who believe in conspiracy theories generally evince stupidity.

Well if the gov't would level with its citizens, there wouldn't necessarily be conspiracies. The whole thing re the Pentagon would be solved for me if the Pentagon/Gov't would release the other camera views of the crash. Seems simple to me.

[PolyNewbie]

newbie:Well if the gov't would level with its citizens, there wouldn't necessarily be conspiracies. The whole thing re the Pentagon would be solved for me if the Pentagon/Gov't would release the other camera views of the crash. Seems simple to me.

I'm a little curious about the 3 or so trillion that has gone missing from the Pentagon. I know about the DU. I'm curious about why the border between Mexico & USA is being left open and why Osama hasn't sneaked into the USA up through Mexico and killed everybody by now. I'm wondering about the death camps - I know a lot of people are curious about those.

[jbg]

JBG:People who believe in conspiracy theories generally evince stupidity.

So you don't believe conspiracies exist ? Are you really a lawyer ?

Yes I am, but I have no obligation to explain or justify myself to you. Suffice to say, judges don't roll over laughing when I speak or write.

[Canadian Blue]

I'm a little curious about the 3 or so trillion that has gone missing from the Pentagon. I know about the DU. I'm curious about why the border between Mexico & USA is being left open and why Osama hasn't sneaked into the USA up through Mexico and killed everybody by now. I'm wondering about the death camps - I know a lot of people are curious about those.

You mean the supposed camps which have no people in them, or any actual signs of being used as a death camp, no guards, nothing.

In the video as well, I noticed that some of the equipment it looked like they simply plastered US Army on, it was nothing more than some people hoping to stir up some shit.

[GostHacked]

In the video as well, I noticed that some of the equipment it looked like they simply plastered US Army on it..

Most of the Army's stuff seems to look that way as well.

[Canadian Blue]

No, because it looks like civilian equipment.

As well it's odd that civilian's would be able to get that close to a "death camp", even when I went to Fort Drum they had security at all gates.

[GostHacked]

Well the way I see it Canadian Blue, is that the reason there are no guards at these 'camps', is for the fact that no one is being held in them. Shocking I know. But here is how it could play out. These camps are there for the citizens of the country they are in.... (oil is gone and food is short and martial law has been declared)

The reason you can get close is that they are not being used at the moment. Next time you may be able to get even closer,,,, like INSIDE BEHIND THE GATES!!! Never to come out.

JBG

Yes I am, but I have no obligation to explain or justify myself to you. Suffice to say, judges don't roll over laughing when I speak or write.

Well, none of us here are judges (in what you know as a judge) so frankly I think I will just laugh. I automaticly put a lawyer in the 'bad' camp. Some lawyers prove their worthiness. (FTA Lawyer seems to be one of the good guys) So now you have to proove to me that you are a good guy.

Also mind if I ask what type of lawyer you are??