Canadian Arabs, Muslims threaten to campaign against Tories

[Saturn]

Israel is a moral cause. Supporting Israel is supporting democracy and freedom. Those who oppose Israel on the side of religious fanatics are opposed to democracy and freedom.

Right, throwing a million people out of their homes and land and stuffing them into refugee camps is moral values. Great values you have, Argus. In most people's value systems, that's called "ethnic cleansing". And if they are p.o.'d about it, well, they are just religious fanatics opposed to democracy and freedom. Next thing you'll be praising Slobodan for trying the same in Kosovo.

[Canadian Blue]

Right, throwing a million people out of their homes and land and stuffing them into refugee camps is moral values. Great values you have, Argus. In most people's value systems, that's called "ethnic cleansing". And if they are p.o.'d about it, well, they are just religious fanatics opposed to democracy and freedom. Next thing you'll be praising Slobodan for trying the same in Kosovo.

That's not called ethnic cleansing, ethnic cleansing is trying to kill off people. What Israel did may be wrong, but it's not considered ethnic cleansing. If Israel has gone into Palestine, and tried to kill every Palestinian, then that would be ethnic cleansing.

Obviously, most people have no clue what ethnic cleansing is...

[Argus]

As I understand things, Canada's Muslim community is about twice the size of Canada's Jewish community, so on the surface this would seem like a disadvantage to the Conservatives.

But the Jewish community has 100 times the resources the Muslim community does and the Jewish community owns most of the media in Canada. Clearly being to the Jews good side would be much more beneficial to the Conservatives than being on the Muslims' side or being neutral.

Do you have any evidence that the Jews control most of the media that didn't come from a Nazi web site?

[August1991]

But the Jewish community has 100 times the resources the Muslim community does and the Jewish community owns most of the media in Canada.

I'll second Argus' question.

It seems odd Saturn for you to start a thread about where posters get their information and then you make unsubstantiated claims like above.

I have a general question for the members here: Where do you get your facts? Is it from the media, forums and blogs, friends and relatives, or do you just make them up as you go? I don't mean to sound disrespectful or condescending, I'm just genuinely curious about your sources.

You can put me in the genuinely curious category as to that "100 times" statistic above.

[jdobbin]

Martin wanted to join the invasion of Iraq.

I believe we only have Sheila Copps words on that. Most of the rest of cabinet say that he didn't advocate for joining in the war.

[Argus]

Israel is a moral cause. Supporting Israel is supporting democracy and freedom. Those who oppose Israel on the side of religious fanatics are opposed to democracy and freedom.

Right, throwing a million people out of their homes and land and stuffing them into refugee camps is moral values.

Israel did no such thing. The United Nations created Israel. If you have a beef it should be with them. The resulting wars - launched entirely by the Arab population, were responsible for the resulting refugee crisis. And the heartlessness and political cruelty of the surrounding Arab nations is why those people are still in refugee camps after generations. While crying crocodile tears over the plight of the Palestinians, the Arab nations treat them like pariahs, refusing to allow any of them to become citizens, penning them up as stateless persons in refugee camps. Imagine if Canada were like that? Holding generations of refugees in camps and refusing to allow any of them to become citizens?

But thinking about that requires a degree of knowledge and openness to thought (and ability to think) you clearly lack.