Ricki Bobbi Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Ricki Bobbi, the left will always ignore the reality that after the USSR collapsed, they and their teleological view of history collapsed and capitalism prevailed. Don't try and justify reality to them...just feel real sorry for them. True enough. The likes of jdobbin are too ignant to actually be here for debate. He probably believes that Marc Yvan Coté, the banished-for-life Liberal that Dion mused about allowing back into the party, should actually be allowed back into the party. Good on the Conservatives for being so quick to respond. OMG if this story snowballs like it appears to be we could have an election very, very soon. Shortly after the budget methinks. No guarantees, but I think it is amazing that the Conservatives had an anglophone Minister and a Francophone minister scrum to talk about the issue tonight after only a couple hours. Looks like the war room is already in full gear. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
geoffrey Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Futility of knocking on doors? Hmmm, methinks you have never even taken the time to do it once. Door knocking can make a huge difference in close ridings. There have been a number of elections decided by tight margins. The next election could swing on a dozen or so tight ridings. If you ever decide which party you can stomache go help out. There are many more things than door knocking needed to win an election. Nowhere within 350km of my house is a 'close' riding. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Nowhere within 350km of my house is a 'close' riding. So you have never volunteered on a campaign, ever? The NDP seem to think Edmonton Strathcona is winnable for them. Just sneaks into your 350 KM radius I believe Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Ricki Bobbi, the left will always ignore the reality that after the USSR collapsed, they and their teleological view of history collapsed and capitalism prevailed. Don't try and justify reality to them...just feel real sorry for them. True enough. The likes of jdobbin are too ignant to actually be here for debate. He probably believes that Marc Yvan Coté, the banished-for-life Liberal that Dion mused about allowing back into the party, should actually be allowed back into the party. Good on the Conservatives for being so quick to respond. OMG if this story snowballs like it appears to be we could have an election very, very soon. Shortly after the budget methinks. No guarantees, but I think it is amazing that the Conservatives had an anglophone Minister and a Francophone minister scrum to talk about the issue tonight after only a couple hours. Looks like the war room is already in full gear. Oh man I hope so...the thought of a Conservative majority makes me real giddy... I'll do anything for Harper in the next election...ANYTHING to keep the Liberals out of the power they so desperately crave in order to bring the country back into their myths and lies. I hope this story snowballs and that the Liberals get caught trying to make up for their waywardly mistakes... Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
geoffrey Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 The NDP seem to think Edmonton Strathcona is winnable for them. Just sneaks into your 350 KM radius I believe That is on the edge, that's the one I was thinking about. It won't go to anyone but Jaffer. If I don't include that, the nearest conflicted riding is in Regina or Vancouver, not sure which is closer as the bird flies, Regina is a shorter drive. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 the left will always ignore the reality that after the USSR collapsed, they and their teleological view of history collapsed and capitalism prevailed. Don't try and justify reality to them...just feel real sorry for them. I'm not sure where the USSR comment has come from. Who has mentioned anything about the old Soviet Union? I don't respond to some posts because those people are on "ignore" so I have no idea what they've said. Quote
tml12 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 the left will always ignore the reality that after the USSR collapsed, they and their teleological view of history collapsed and capitalism prevailed. Don't try and justify reality to them...just feel real sorry for them. I'm not sure where the USSR comment has come from. Who has mentioned anything about the old Soviet Union? The NDP is closer to the old USSR than it is to the liberal democratic capitalism that has prevailed since then. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 The NDP is closer to the old USSR than it is to the liberal democratic capitalism that has prevailed since then. I'm not an NDPer but I certainly don't think of them as Communists. Quote
tml12 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 The NDP is closer to the old USSR than it is to the liberal democratic capitalism that has prevailed since then. I'm not an NDPer but I certainly don't think of them as Communists. The NDP may not be communist but they advocate a form of left-wing politics liberal democracies have staysed away from since the fall of the USSR. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 The NDP may not be communist but they advocate a form of left-wing politics liberal democracies have staysed away from since the fall of the USSR. Such as what? A one party state? Which present NDP government doesn't have a mixed economy? Quote
hiti Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Full attack mode in effect today I see. Uhhh, he completely ignored what the Government has done on Wait Times, so you are right jdobbin is in full attack mode today ...... as usual. They have done nothing but fund a study to see how long kids have to wait before they get surgery. A study that I know hospitals have already got the answers on. Steve just had to ask them to forward the info to a central data base. Some big deal. The provinces, who are responsible for gathering the information and managing existing wait-time programs, were not consulted with this pilot project. This was just another photo-op so Steve can say that he is doing something about wait times. But if Steve were really serious about wait times for children he would have consulted the provinces and he would have given them the money that Paul Martin had promised to improve wait times. Instead Steve slashed those funds by over half. Guess his rich buddy's need bigger tax cuts. Quote "You cannot bring your Western standards to Afghanistan and expect them to work. This is a different society and a different culture." -Hamid Karzai, President of Afghanistan June 23/07
scribblet Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Harper has allready given $ towards improving wait times for children's surgery., eventually, there will be a national guarantee of reasonable wait times for children. Rome wasn't built in a day and it is still a minority gov't, and he has allready committed $5 billion for the wait times guarantee reforms. Wonder how he will address provincial jurisdiction in all of this, check this out: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.h...0cbd05e&k=55078 Ontario to forgo limits on emergency room wait times TORONTO — Ontario Health Minister George Smitherman says setting limits on wait times in hospital emergency departments will do little to help patients seeking emergency care. "We’re already having a difficult time," Smitherman told reporters Wednesday, following the release of data detailing long wait times in Ontario’s emergency departments. "Applying a standard that may in fact be artificial is not something that we have an interest in." Smitherman said resolving problems with emergency room wait times "is just about as big as the challenges come in terms of having a well-functioning health-care system." The solution, he insisted, lies in initiatives already being undertaken, such as expanding the number of hospital and long-term-care beds available and improving community health services to better serve people with chronic conditions. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
margrace Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 I asked Mr. Smitherman what can be done about the mismanagement of hospitals and he replied that they were all run by private boards. Isn't it time there was a complete investigation of who and what these private boards are. There are good hospitals and there are ones who have some questionable practises. From my own experience Royal Vic in Barrie and North Bay are great. Orillia and Huntsville are questionable. Quote
tml12 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 The NDP may not be communist but they advocate a form of left-wing politics liberal democracies have staysed away from since the fall of the USSR. Such as what? A one party state? Which present NDP government doesn't have a mixed economy? Of course the NDP has a mixed economy...that does not mean they will not spend my tax dollars like drunken sailors and leave that debt to my family. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 Of course the NDP has a mixed economy...that does not mean they will not spend my tax dollars like drunken sailors and leave that debt to my family. I seem to recall tax reductions in both Manitoba and Saskatchewan in the last year. Neither province has a deficit. Saskatchewan is about to become a "have" province. Quote
tml12 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Of course the NDP has a mixed economy...that does not mean they will not spend my tax dollars like drunken sailors and leave that debt to my family. I seem to recall tax reductions in both Manitoba and Saskatchewan in the last year. Neither province has a deficit. Saskatchewan is about to become a "have" province. I will admit to not being familiar with those governments. What I do know is that the NDP's platform (from ndp.ca) seems very much like the kind of things Trudeau would have pursued, which is exactly why most Trudeau Liberal friends I know vote NDP now and not Liberal, because they recognize that the Liberals have become a party of the Central Canadian moderate right business elite (not to mention, we all know Trudeau left Canada with a deficit). Is this a more appropriate thread for you to answer my question about why you consider left-wing Trudeau and centre-right Chretien/Martin to be in the same party? Because it is clear to me they had 180 degree agendas. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 Harper has allready given $ towards improving wait times for children's surgery., eventually, there will be a national guarantee of reasonable wait times for children. Rome wasn't built in a day and it is still a minority gov't, and he has allready committed $5 billion for the wait times guarantee reforms. The four pilot projects is not the same thing as a national strategy which is what he said he had in the election. And 15 more months is a long time just to wait to hear how this was all work out in just one area of care. Tony Clement has been blaming the provinces for not helping him create a strategy but then he never consults them when he announces these pilot strategies. There isn't a health minister in Canada, PC, NDP or LIberal. who doesn't have issues with Ottawa's policy thus far. Rome might not have been built in day but it certainly burnt in a day. http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/new...db-d06a2d159acd Quote
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 I will admit to not being familiar with those governments. What I do know is that the NDP's platform (from ndp.ca) seems very much like the kind of things Trudeau would have pursued, which is exactly why most Trudeau Liberal friends I know vote NDP now and not Liberal, because they recognize that the Liberals have become a party of the Central Canadian moderate right business elite (not to mention, we all know Trudeau left Canada with a deficit). Is this a more appropriate thread for you to answer my question about why you consider left-wing Trudeau and centre-right Chretien/Martin to be in the same party? Because it is clear to me they had 180 degree agendas. I have no truck the national NDP not am I a supporter of the present NDP government in Manitoba. For every good idea the NDP government has in Manitoba, there are a number of things it does that limit the province's growth. If you want a discussion on Liberal leaders open a new thread on the subject. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Is this a more appropriate thread for you to answer my question about why you consider left-wing Trudeau and centre-right Chretien/Martin to be in the same party? Because it is clear to me they had 180 degree agendas. If you want a discussion on Liberal leaders open a new thread on the subject. The differences in the Liberal party under different leaders leads to the only thing that matters to them. Power. They don't care about any particular ideology, and just want to win. Unfortunatley for them winning is about picking the right leader. They picked the wrong leader with Martin and it looks like they picked the wrong leader in Dion. Don't listen to ignorami telling you when you should start a new thread in such a dickish manner... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
tml12 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Is this a more appropriate thread for you to answer my question about why you consider left-wing Trudeau and centre-right Chretien/Martin to be in the same party? Because it is clear to me they had 180 degree agendas. If you want a discussion on Liberal leaders open a new thread on the subject. The differences in the Liberal party under different leaders leads to the only thing that matters to them. Power. They don't care about any particular ideology, and just want to win. Unfortunatley for them winning is about picking the right leader. They picked the wrong leader with Martin and it looks like they picked the wrong leader in Dion. Don't listen to ignorami telling you when you should start a new thread in such a dickish manner... I am not going to start a new thread to debate whether or not Chretien/Martin or Trudeau should be in the same party because I think all of us know the answer to that question is OF COURSE NOT because, as you correctly states, the Liberals are in it for victory. Quote "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alexander Hamilton
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Posted January 25, 2007 I am not going to start a new thread to debate whether or not Chretien/Martin or Trudeau should be in the same party because I think all of us know the answer to that question is OF COURSE NOT because, as you correctly states, the Liberals are in it for victory. I meant no offence. Some other posters have reminded others of "thread drift" or discussing subjects in the wrong forums. If you don't want to discuss the subject that's fine but it isn't because everyone knows the answer already. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 Full attack mode in effect today I see. Uhhh, he completely ignored what the Government has done on Wait Times, so you are right jdobbin is in full attack mode today ...... as usual. jdobbin in attack mode??? Sorry, I must have missed his personal bashing of a fellow board member. But maybe that is because he didn't attack anyone personally. BTW I just love your new sig. I would say immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but I know the real reason you did it. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
jdobbin Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Posted January 26, 2007 jdobbin in attack mode???Sorry, I must have missed his personal bashing of a fellow board member. But maybe that is because he didn't attack anyone personally. BTW I just love your new sig. I would say immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but I know the real reason you did it. I have had him on ignore for the last several weeks. I don't even know how he thinks I've attacked him. I don't have a clue what he posts. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 jdobbin in attack mode??? Sorry, I must have missed his personal bashing of a fellow board member. But maybe that is because he didn't attack anyone personally. BTW I just love your new sig. I would say immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but I know the real reason you did it. I have had him on ignore for the last several weeks. I don't even know how he thinks I've attacked him. I don't have a clue what he posts. I sometimes wonder if he doesn't have a clue as to what he posts either. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
geoffrey Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 And moving right back on topic.... Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
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