Report on Unfair Canadian Trade Practices

[scribblet]

Hmmm Senator Hillary is complaining about Canadian Trade Practices, is this what Canada can look forward to is she makes it as President.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/...s.cfm?id=264008

Washington, DC – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today released a report that details the devastating impact of Canadian trade practices on New York’s farmers and growers.

The report, compiled by the Senator’s office, with the help of the New York Apple Association, the New York Horticulture Society, the Northeast Council of Dairy Cooperatives, the New York Farm Bureau and the Empire State Potato Growers, details the impact of Canadian subsidies and trade barriers on dairy, fruits, vegetables, wine and agricultural products and concludes that while Canadian growers have little problem accessing New York markets for their produce, New York farmers and growers experience severe restrictions on selling their products in Canada.

download the pdf file http://clinton.senate.gov/documents/news/09_28_06_canada.pdf

Tit for Tat I guess we are going on the offensive.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...NStory/Business

OTTAWA, WASHINGTON — Canada is for the first time challenging the United States' multibillion-dollar farm subsidies at the World Trade Organization, a move that represents a more aggressive stand on trade for the Harper government.

[madmax]

Hmmm Senator Hillary is complaining about Canadian Trade Practices, is this what Canada can look forward to is she makes it as President.

OTTAWA, WASHINGTON — Canada is for the first time challenging the United States' multibillion-dollar farm subsidies at the World Trade Organization, a move that represents a more aggressive stand on trade for the Harper government.

Yes, American Protectionism will always be #1 in the minds of all elected officials. What Canada can look forward to is winning more in NAFTA and WTO rulings only to cave in under the pressure. Canada's Federal Government proven itself weak in this regards.

[blueblood]

Hmmm Senator Hillary is complaining about Canadian Trade Practices, is this what Canada can look forward to is she makes it as President.

OTTAWA, WASHINGTON — Canada is for the first time challenging the United States' multibillion-dollar farm subsidies at the World Trade Organization, a move that represents a more aggressive stand on trade for the Harper government.

Yes, American Protectionism will always be #1 in the minds of all elected officials. What Canada can look forward to is winning more in NAFTA and WTO rulings only to cave in under the pressure. Canada's Federal Government proven itself weak in this regards.

Canada can win all the rulings until judgement day. I'd like to see anyone try to make the americans comply. That would be like a science nerd trying to boss around a linebacker.

[geoffrey]

Canadians have ridiculous unfair tariffs on things like dairy. It's a big Quebec issue. And we all pay for it at the supermarket.

I can't speak on the other topics but ya, I agree with Hillary, Canada is quite a dirty dealer when it comes to protectionist policies.

[blueblood]

Canadians have ridiculous unfair tariffs on things like dairy. It's a big Quebec issue. And we all pay for it at the supermarket.

I can't speak on the other topics but ya, I agree with Hillary, Canada is quite a dirty dealer when it comes to protectionist policies.

It's safe to say all countries in one way or another have unfair trading policies.

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Free trade should be in reality free trade. If others aren't willing to step up to the plate why should we?

[RB]

Hmmm Senator Hillary is complaining about Canadian Trade Practices, is this what Canada can look forward to is she makes it as President....

This problem with NY agriculture business has always been a pain. I have experience hauling agriculture products to Albany and other areas. Even the fellows at work trying to cross to Pittsburgh to meet with customers needed to be armed a letter that they are not trying to steal business - in short.

The Agriculture Ministry I can always vouch was good support for the Canadian businesses with the US tangling.

[geoffrey]

Free trade should be in reality free trade. If others aren't willing to step up to the plate why should we?

That's simply the attitude that gets everyone into this trouble. Reducing tariff boundaries first benefits Canadian consumers. And it will encourage others to lower tariffs as well.

[blueblood]

Free trade should be in reality free trade. If others aren't willing to step up to the plate why should we?

That's simply the attitude that gets everyone into this trouble. Reducing tariff boundaries first benefits Canadian consumers. And it will encourage others to lower tariffs as well.

Why should it always be us lowering tariffs first of all, we shouldn't be caught with our pants down in a situation like this, either it's all free trade or not at all, none of this in between garbage. I wouldn't see how reducing tariff boundaries benefits the consumer, your implying that the retailer is more chivalrous and noble than King Arthur. the price would be kept around the same as its always been, just the retailer gets a lot more money for the product. I think India could care less if we drop our tariffs, that 85% is going to stay there unless they are in dire straits as far as supply is concerned.

[geoffrey]

It's better that a retailer gets money than the government.

[blueblood]

It's better that a retailer gets money than the government.

How does a retailer differ than the gov't in ripping off the consumer, the consumer is still getting ripped off is he not?

[geoffrey]

It's better that a retailer gets money than the government.

How does a retailer differ than the gov't in ripping off the consumer, the consumer is still getting ripped off is he not?

The consumer can buy the retailer and earn money from it's profits. The consumer always loses with a tax unless they are on some form of welfare. I can't buy the government, legally at least.

[blueblood]

It's better that a retailer gets money than the government.

How does a retailer differ than the gov't in ripping off the consumer, the consumer is still getting ripped off is he not?

The consumer can buy the retailer and earn money from it's profits. The consumer always loses with a tax unless they are on some form of welfare. I can't buy the government, legally at least.

Unless the retailer is privately owned and won't go public, does Cargill ring a bell?

[geoffrey]

The owners of Cargill spend that money and invest it in other ventures in our economy. Richer people, no matter who it is, make us all better off.

Canada has withholding taxes to prevent people from making off with our cash free of charge. If money is flowing south, the government is making a penny off it I promise you.

Cargill also employs a massive amount of recent immigrants taking that burden off you and I in welfare.

[blueblood]

The owners of Cargill spend that money and invest it in other ventures in our economy. Richer people, no matter who it is, make us all better off.

Canada has withholding taxes to prevent people from making off with our cash free of charge. If money is flowing south, the government is making a penny off it I promise you.

Cargill also employs a massive amount of recent immigrants taking that burden off you and I in welfare.

It's also one of the most unscrupulous outfits i've ever seen. During BSE they made a killing, they now control around 50% of the herd in Alberta. Those guys are brilliant. I haven't noticed the price of steak or meat changing too much since the small time cattle producers were forced out. Now I ask you what's better for the economy, the money flowing south to Cargill or staying in the Canadian economy with the cattle producers? Cargill has Canadian competitors in every aspect of its ventures, naturally its better to support them as it benefits our economy directly. You are putting a lot of trust in multinationals, but do they contribute to what they take out? I am a strong believer in that small to medium business ran smartly is the most efficient way and at the same time the most beneficial

[geoffrey]

The current tax and regulatory regime in Canada is designed to prevent small business from being successful, hence our lacklustre economic performance compared to the small business engines of Europe such as Ireland.

I don't blame Cargill, I blame our government from preventing our small companies from being competitive against multinationals. The little guy should win, he's more adaptive, more reactive to market forces. When he loses, you can look squarely at Ottawa and ask why.

[blueblood]

The current tax and regulatory regime in Canada is designed to prevent small business from being successful, hence our lacklustre economic performance compared to the small business engines of Europe such as Ireland.

I don't blame Cargill, I blame our government from preventing our small companies from being competitive against multinationals. The little guy should win, he's more adaptive, more reactive to market forces. When he loses, you can look squarely at Ottawa and ask why.

I don't blame them either, they're using their heads. I don't like it though, but i don't blame them. Other than that I agree. My background is ag, not finance. I have no clue about tax structures and the like.

[geoffrey]

I don't blame them either, they're using their heads. I don't like it though, but i don't blame them. Other than that I agree. My background is ag, not finance. I have no clue about tax structures and the like.

Ag is a great industry to showcase the failures of our government's tax policy. You probably know very well how hard it is for a small player to keep up with larger producers. Of course some of this has to do with economies of scale (can be overcome within a cooperative structure), but I'm not at all being facetious when I say that all small business in Canada is oppressed by horrible tax policy. Small operations are great for the economic future of Canada in most areas, Ag is a little more complex than most, but in general it's just like the others.

Cargill's dominance is further evidence that we need to seriously review how the small players are treated by the government in terms of taxation and regulation in Canada.

If you don't think Cargill has a strong Ottawa lobby that pushes the government towards less than ideal tax choices your crazy. Canada is very much a big business country, and these big businesses are very close with the government.