Racial Treatment of Natives in Canada

[Chuck U. Farlie]

I know these opinions have been expressed in other posts and by other posters, but I thought I would break it out into it's own thread. If it gets deleted due to redundancy, c'est la vie.

Does anyone else here consider the preferential treatment awarded to our Natives as blatant racism by our government?

Aren't we all supposed to be equal, yet Natives, because of their bloodline, don't have to pay any tax, get free education, etc.? I guess some races are more equal than others.

I don't think that anyone should be treated better (or worse) based on their race. The past dirty deeds committed by the English and the French on the Native people is no reason to continue this racist behaviour in the present day. The Natives today are not the ones who had their land stolen... it was their Grandpa's Grandpa. I was not the one who stole the land, and neither were my ancestors as my family line has much more recently immigrated here. Why should my tax dollars be used to pay for the sins of some Brits in the distant past and give special treatment to one racial group?

I may very well be the one called the racist here, but I don't think I am. I just think that everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race... is that racist?

[mikedavid00]

Does anyone else here consider the preferential treatment awarded to our Natives as blatant racism by our government?

Yes. Canada has in the last several decades become an extremely racist country that gives preferential treatment to minorities in order to keep the Liberal party of Canada in power. The natives are another minority group that was created to get votes.

The US doens't have these problems.

Aren't we all supposed to be equal

No we aren't. The CBC, Liberal party of Canada, and lefties would like us to be a country of minorities. This does nothing but secure votes for a political party.

yet Natives, because of their bloodline, don't have to pay any tax, get free education, etc.? I guess some races are more equal than others.

This is what makes 'canada', 'canada'. This also helps secure power for a particular political party.

I don't think that anyone should be treated better (or worse) based on their race.

I agree. What you are proposing is equality, and not racsism. Promoting multiculturalism, results im racism. Canada is an extrememly racist country which favors minorities, not majorities.

Again, all this does is secure votes for a particular poltical party.

The past dirty deeds committed by the English and the French on the Native people is no reason to continue this racist behaviour in the present day. The Natives today are not the ones who had their land stolen... it was their Grandpa's Grandpa. I was not the one who stole the land, and neither were my ancestors as my family line has much more recently immigrated here. Why should my tax dollars be used to pay for the sins of some Brits in the distant past and give special treatment to one racial group?

Yes I know.

But natives aren't voting conservative. We give favors to those who vote Liberal.

(yes, it is a poltical party issue as far as natvies are concerned).

Beleieve me, if I was priminister, I would move Canada's military in and forcefully remove any protesters and abolish any native rights.

Of course, this doesn't get your party many votes from academia, other minorities, and natives.

I may very well be the one called the racist here

Of course you will. There are certain things that you are allowed to talk about, and those that you are not allowed to talk about. If you speak against Liberal values, you will have some sort of label placed on you.

, but I don't think I am. I just think that everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race... is that racist?

I agree.

Go try and convince Canadians of that.

When you recognize a specific bloodline, religion, culture, etc, it does nothing promote racism which is a negative for all of us.

[leonardcohen]

I know these opinions have been expressed in other posts and by other posters, but I thought I would break it out into it's own thread. If it gets deleted due to redundancy, c'est la vie.

Does anyone else here consider the preferential treatment awarded to our Natives as blatant racism by our government?

Aren't we all supposed to be equal, yet Natives, because of their bloodline, don't have to pay any tax, get free education, etc.? I guess some races are more equal than others.

I don't think that anyone should be treated better (or worse) based on their race. The past dirty deeds committed by the English and the French on the Native people is no reason to continue this racist behaviour in the present day. The Natives today are not the ones who had their land stolen... it was their Grandpa's Grandpa. I was not the one who stole the land, and neither were my ancestors as my family line has much more recently immigrated here. Why should my tax dollars be used to pay for the sins of some Brits in the distant past and give special treatment to one racial group?

I may very well be the one called the racist here, but I don't think I am. I just think that everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race... is that racist?

I call it the Great Liberal Guilt Machine. The Indians know a cash cow when they see one,all they have to do is go boo and great wads of money comes wafting down from Heaven like manna,no one dares question the status quo lest they be labeled a racist.

I'm all for preserving the culture of Indians,whatever tribe they may be, but do they really need to hunt and fish for a living and for us to give land over to them too.

My Boss is an Indian and i call him on this again and again and he knows he's got it good.The income tax that he pays during the year he gets all back at the end of the year. How long must we pay to assuage the guilt of what my forefathers did?

[mikedavid00]

I'm all for preserving the culture of Indians,

But that's the problem.

It's up to the natives to keep their culture alive, not our gov't and my tax dollars.

If you give an inch, they will take a mile.

No special recognition for anyone. A country of equality is what is needed.

[geoffrey]

It's up to the natives to keep their culture alive, not our gov't and my tax dollars.

Tell that to the French.

[Saturn]

Aren't we all supposed to be equal, yet Natives, because of their bloodline, don't have to pay any tax, get free education, etc.? I guess some races are more equal than others.

I just think that everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race... is that racist?

No, that's the opposite of racist. Everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race.

The problem here is that Canada signed agreements with the natives and their successors long ago and they have special status in the constitution, like Catholics do. I find such exceptions and special treatment ridiculous but Canada has to honour its agreements.

[Riverwind]

The problem here is that Canada signed agreements with the natives and their successors long ago and they have special status in the constitution, like Catholics do. I find such exceptions and special treatment ridiculous but Canada has to honour its agreements.

Why? Newfoundland recently removed all provisions regarding church run schools because the people of the province felt they no longer made any sense. The churches complained bitterly but the change still went through. The constitution is a living document and needs to change with the time. Aboriginal entitlements have no place in our multi-ethnic democratic society and should be consigned to scrap heap of history with slavery, feudalism and any other system where a person's ancestry determined what rights they have.

[mikedavid00]

It's up to the natives to keep their culture alive, not our gov't and my tax dollars.

Tell that to the French.

I agree with that too.

We spend 6B a year on 'culture' which is crazy. Recognition of 'cultures' and language creates a mess.

[myata]

Personally, I too believe that status quo will not resolve many problems. Only gradual development of native communities alongside with mainstream society will. However, treaties must be dealt with. Should the nations be given a choice, to become fully independent states relying solely on their own resources, or abandon treaty privileges and become citizens of this country on par with everybody else?

[Saturn]

Why? Newfoundland recently removed all provisions regarding church run schools because the people of the province felt they no longer made any sense. The churches complained bitterly but the change still went through. The constitution is a living document and needs to change with the time. Aboriginal entitlements have no place in our multi-ethnic democratic society and should be consigned to scrap heap of history with slavery, feudalism and any other system where a person's ancestry determined what rights they have.

Agreed. But that would be one hell of a process to go through and I don't see any politicians who would be up for the challenge.

[Riverwind]

Agreed. But that would be one hell of a process to go through and I don't see any politicians who would be up for the challenge.

The politicians are hoping that the courts will limit the entitlements to things that can be tolerated (face it - how many people really care that aboriginals can hunt out of season?). What I fear is the SCC is going to hand down some hairbrained decision that will bring this issue to the forefront and lead to many violant showdowns. They nearly did with the logging issue in the Martimes a couple years ago.

[Curtis Smith]

The problem here is that Canada signed agreements with the natives and their successors long ago and they have special status in the constitution, like Catholics do. I find such exceptions and special treatment ridiculous but Canada has to honour its agreements.

These agreements were made hundreds of years ago. Why should we have to honour something that has been long forgoten?

What our government has to do now is take every native treaty, review it, and decide what is in the best interests for this country and the people of all minorities.

All that the treaties are doing right now is giving an Indian an excuse to camp on a plot of land for a year like Caledonia, and now in some areas that get to do something a non native would get thrown in jail for, hunting in the dark using headlights, because they claim they're ancestors did it. First off that’s not only stupid and can get you killed, but second, I don't think they're ancestors used high beams to flash lights at the dear in those days.

[hiti]

Why has this a**hole government deleted the details of the Kelowna Accord off the government web site? A**hole Steve thinks if he rewrites all the government sites that history will be changed or forgotten. Well Steve, you pr***, there is a hard copy of the Kelowna Accord and when your get your sorry butt kicked out of office, the record will be corrected.

In the meantime, if Canada gave back to the First Nations what they took from them, that would solve a lot of problems. The Kelowna Accord was a start and in ten or so years we would all have been better for it.

Some of the info: Kelowna deal included $1.8 billion for education

A rough agenda released by Martin's Liberal government in the days before the conference suggested the meeting would focus on five critical areas: health, education, economic development, relationships between government and aboriginals, and housing, including incentives for private home ownership on reserves.

Ottawa said the initiatives would represent a 10-year commitment to raising the standard of living of aboriginal Canadians so that it would be equal that of all other Canadians.

» EXTERNAL LINK: Details of the agreement [link will open in a new window] (This open to a blank government page)

The plan included:

* $1.8 billion for education, to create school systems, train more aboriginal teachers and identify children with special needs.

* $1.6 billion for housing, including $400 million to address the need for clean water in many remote communities.

* $1.3 billion for health services.

* $200 million for economic development.

The goal of the education investments was to ensure that the high school graduation rate of aboriginal Canadians matched the rest of the population. The money was also aimed at cutting in half the gap in rates of post-secondary graduation.

On health, targets were established to reduce infant mortality, youth suicide, childhood obesity and diabetes by 20 per cent in five years, and 50 per cent in 10 years. The Martin government also promised to double the number of health professionals in 10 years from the current level of 150 physicians and 1,200 nurses.

http://www.canadiansforkelowna.ca/what%20i...he%20accord.htm

[Saturn]

Why has this a**hole government deleted the details of the Kelowna Accord off the government web site? A**hole Steve thinks if he rewrites all the government sites that history will be changed or forgotten.

Pfff. Have you seen the Environment Canada website recently? All info on greenhouse gases, tips on saving energy, and just about everything else useful is gone. It's all "Canada's New Government" and "GHG intensities". Every other government site is all "Canada's New Government" and good luck finding the information you need in all the advertising. And that prick complained about Elections Canada "controlling the internet". Pfff!

[hiti]

And don't even bother to try and find anything on the Status of Women's site. Steve who wouldn't ride anywhere with his wife driving, optics you know (the chauvinistic pig) has had all equity or equality words removed. Guess Oda is good for one thing.

I think every conservative women should get a slap at least once a day from a women who knows what a real women is........... EQUAL!!!! And a knuckle sandwich for Steve.

[Einar the Dagger]

The Aboriginal people of Canada are a known visible minority in Canada as reconized by the Government of Canada. However even as a minority that doesn't give them the right to have different or special privilages granted to them by the government. Why then is it that after almost one hundred years that Canada was a nation that agreements with the aboriginals have not changed or been re-evaluated.

Tax breaks and benifits provided to the Native people is obvious racism. Canada has become a Majoity country run by the minority. Anything that could "upset" the native people is called rasist. The native people are just human and if they choose not to integrate in canada but remain independant (own schools ect.) then this should be not paid for by the government but by themselves.

Einar the Dagger

[Einar the Dagger]

The Aboriginal people of Canada are a known visible minority in Canada as reconized by the Government of Canada. However even as a minority that doesn't give them the right to have different or special privilages granted to them by the government. Why then is it that after almost one hundred years that Canada was a nation that agreements with the aboriginals have not changed or been re-evaluated.

Tax breaks and benifits provided to the Native people is obvious racism. Canada has become a Majoity country run by the minority. Anything that could "upset" the native people is called rasist. The native people are just human and if they choose not to integrate in canada but remain independant (own schools ect.) then this should be not paid for by the government but by themselves.

Einar the Dagger