jbg Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 The CPC may not be Boy Scouts but they're hardly alone in breaking the Election Law. Any guess on what the Liberal/French crew is up to on any given day? The Liberals, NDP and Bloq didn't violate the election law in this past election. You thought they did? Sponsorship? Oh come on. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Why don't you just give it up already. The Conservatives tried to get away with hiding 3.5 million dollars and got caught. By announcing it openly. Yes, definitely a good way to get "caught". Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Sponsorship? Oh come on. In this past election? In violation of election laws? No. Quote
Argus Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 All those donors who went to the Con convention did not get a receipt and therefore were unable to claim their donation on their tax returns. So stealing from conservative donors is okay? Who knew that when people openly paid money to get into an event it was "stealing"? I think you bitter people on the left are working very hard reinventing the language to try and justify your hate. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 The CPC may not be Boy Scouts but they're hardly alone in breaking the Election Law. Any guess on what the Liberal/French crew is up to on any given day? The Liberals, NDP and Bloq didn't violate the election law in this past election. You thought they did? That money they STOLE from the taxpayers was used, under the table, to finance a number of election campaigns, and they have refused to say which ones. There's also been very little information about the bribes they gave to lawyers to work for them during election times for free - lawyers who were paid off with judges' robes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 The CPC may not be Boy Scouts but they're hardly alone in breaking the Election Law. Any guess on what the Liberal/French crew is up to on any given day? This is just it. There really is no difference between the two parties, except one of them just ran on an election platform of accoutnability and ethics. I find it ironic you can't even spell accountability. Certainly you can't recognize it or understand it. There is no suggestion that this misinterpretation of the rules cost Canadian taxpayers any money - on the contrary, it saved them money. And no real suggestion the Tories even profited over it, as the donations would have been theirs regardless. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 You are quite correct in your assesment saturn, just because they they told everyone they were trying to scam their donations they think somehow they are not scamming? And here they are even telling a lie with insisting they told so they couldn't have been scammming. That is hilarious, for a year they insisted they did nothing wrong, now of course they have had to admit to it finally. Even though they are trying hard not too. Do you speak English? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Who knew that when people openly paid money to get into an event it was "stealing"? I think you bitter people on the left are working very hard reinventing the language to try and justify your hate. I beg to differ. I think they are being quite lazy in trying to justify their hate. They simply took a mixup between the CPC and Elections Canada and are trying to create a huge fraud out of the issue. If they were trying hard they would really look for something to complain about that average voters might care about. But then again that would take work and effort. They seem to be much happier preaching to the converted. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Why don't you just give it up already. The Conservatives tried to get away with hiding 3.5 million dollars and got caught. By announcing it openly. Yes, definitely a good way to get "caught". They denied any wrong doing for almost a year. Just how the hell is that "announcing it openly"? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 The CPC may not be Boy Scouts but they're hardly alone in breaking the Election Law. Any guess on what the Liberal/French crew is up to on any given day? This is just it. There really is no difference between the two parties, except one of them just ran on an election platform of accoutnability and ethics. I find it ironic you can't even spell accountability. Certainly you can't recognize it or understand it. There is no suggestion that this misinterpretation of the rules cost Canadian taxpayers any money - on the contrary, it saved them money. And no real suggestion the Tories even profited over it, as the donations would have been theirs regardless. I find it sad, and a good indicator of a lacking personality, that someone has nothing better to do than harp on someones typo. What, you have nothing better to add to the debate so you attack personally. How conservative of you. If all you have is to attack is my typo's go ahead, it is a pathetic endeavour, and reflects poorly on you in my books. I think you are the one who is having problems recognizing the fact the CPC is just as bad as the Liberals ever were. I guess it is your man crush on Harper that blinds you. It cost tax payers that went to the convention money. They couldn't claim political donations on their income tax without receipts. Sure, there's no profit when they hide 3.5 million dollars. Like holy crap man, open your freaking eyes! If it didn't serve their interests, or profit them in some way, why try to hide the money in the first place? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
jdobbin Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 They denied any wrong doing for almost a year. Just how the hell is that "announcing it openly"? They certainly didn't say: "Our mistake. We are correcting it right away". Instead, they tried to change the law retroactively. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 You are quite correct in your assesment saturn, just because they they told everyone they were trying to scam their donations they think somehow they are not scamming? And here they are even telling a lie with insisting they told so they couldn't have been scammming. That is hilarious, for a year they insisted they did nothing wrong, now of course they have had to admit to it finally. Even though they are trying hard not too. Do you speak English? Another personal attack on someones writing. Did your parents not hug you enough as a child? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 They denied any wrong doing for almost a year. Just how the hell is that "announcing it openly"? They certainly didn't say: "Our mistake. We are correcting it right away". Instead, they tried to change the law retroactively. That is the worst part. It goes to show they knew they were wrong all along. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Sure, there's no profit when they hide 3.5 million dollars. Like holy crap man, open your freaking eyes! If it didn't serve their interests, or profit them in some way, why try to hide the money in the first place? I find it sad, when blindly partisan Harper-haters continue to misrepresent the facts. The Conservatives were not hiding anything. A big chunk of the funds were reported as belonging to individual electoral district associations instead of the party HQ. All were reported. No fraud in the way they were reported. No advantage to the way they were originally written. If the funds were hidden it would have take far longer than 8 months to uncover the alleged deception. Holy crap man, take off the blinders of hate. Canadian political parties rely on volunteers to do much of the grunt work, including the legal work. The issues surrounding the changes to the Elections Act were pretty complex. Mistakes happen all the time in the law and accounting. Nobody from Elections Canada or the Media has alleged fraud in this case. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 They simply took a mixup between the CPC and Elections Canada and are trying to create a huge fraud out of the issue. Using 4 different methods of trying tro hide money from elections Canada is NOT a "mix-up". If they were trying hard they would really look for something to complain about that average voters might care about. Funny the CPC thought party corruption was something the average voters cared about last election. Just because it's the CPC now, you think that it is any different? How deluded. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Sure, there's no profit when they hide 3.5 million dollars. Like holy crap man, open your freaking eyes! If it didn't serve their interests, or profit them in some way, why try to hide the money in the first place? I find it sad, when blindly partisan Harper-haters continue to misrepresent the facts. The Conservatives were not hiding anything. A big chunk of the funds were reported as belonging to individual electoral district associations instead of the party HQ. All were reported. No fraud in the way they were reported. No advantage to the way they were originally written. If the funds were hidden it would have take far longer than 8 months to uncover the alleged deception. Holy crap man, take off the blinders of hate. Canadian political parties rely on volunteers to do much of the grunt work, including the legal work. The issues surrounding the changes to the Elections Act were pretty complex. Mistakes happen all the time in the law and accounting. Nobody from Elections Canada or the Media has alleged fraud in this case. If it didn't serve their needs, or profit them in some way, why did they do what they did? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 If it didn't serve their needs, or profit them in some way, why did they do what they did? Because they are human beings. They made a mistake. It was dealt with in less than 8 months. No need for a judicial inquiry. Using 4 different methods of trying tro hide money from elections Canada is NOT a "mix-up. You already said that four different methos of trying *to* hide money is not a mixup. Do you like repeating yourself? I don't, so this will be the last time. All the money was reported. Not hidden. Try adding a little bit of facts to your posts. How deluded. Yes, yes you are. If you really want to allege fraud, why not pick out one part of the Elections Act the party contravened? My guess is you have never read any portion of it. Or am I wrong? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jdobbin Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 If it didn't serve their needs, or profit them in some way, why did they do what they did? I don't think you can get a straight answer from the chief cheerleaders of Harper. The Harper lovers will excuse whatever behaviour they see and then deflect to the Liberals instead. This problem could have have shown the Tories in a much better light. It shouldn't have taken months and months to settle, not should there have been any dispute when even the Alliance and the PCs had accepted these rules previously. An honest mistake is one that you correct immediately. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Because they are human beings. They made a mistake. It was dealt with in less than 8 months. No need for a judicial inquiry. It was not a mistake it was a deliberate action. Why is this so hard for you grasp? You already said that four different methos of trying *to* hide money is not a mixup. Do you like repeating yourself? I don't, so this will be the last time. All the money was reported. Not hidden. Try adding a little bit of facts to your posts. If I am repeating myself it is only because you have repeated the same lame argument.Yes, yes you are. So you really believe that Liberal corruption is a concern for voters but CPC corruption is unimportant? Nice world of double standards you live in. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 It was not a mistake it was a deliberate action. Why is this so hard for you grasp? There is no proof it was a deliberate action. Provide some and I will take a look. I'm sorry but you calling it a deliberate action does not make it so. So you really believe that Liberal corruption is a concern for voters but CPC corruption is unimportant? Nice world of double standards you live in. Corruption is always a concern for voters. A differing interpretation of the Elections Act is not corruption. Provide some actual proof of corruption. The Liberals were proven to be corrupt by Justice Gomery. *Nobody* is alleging corruption over this issue. I take it your ignoring my question means you have *never* read the Elections Act. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Catchme Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 I find it sad, and a good indicator of a lacking personality, that someone has nothing better to do than harp on someones typo. What, you have nothing better to add to the debate so you attack personally. How conservative of you. If all you have is to attack is my typo's go ahead, it is a pathetic endeavour, and reflects poorly on you in my books. I think you are the one who is having problems recognizing the fact the CPC is just as bad as the Liberals ever were. I guess it is your man crush on Harper that blinds you. It cost tax payers that went to the convention money. They couldn't claim political donations on their income tax without receipts. Sure, there's no profit when they hide 3.5 million dollars. Like holy crap man, open your freaking eyes! If it didn't serve their interests, or profit them in some way, why try to hide the money in the first place? Good post on alll accounts. Trying to hide the money was because it was over the amount allowed by LAW. Hence the reason why they tried to change the law retroactively, kinda like georgie did in the USA, only they didn't succeed here. Which is why now a year later they have had to fess up, they had no choice, the only thing they could do was to try and time it when they thought people were not watching. 3.5 million in scammed money before they took office. 'nuff said. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 Good post on alll accounts. Trying to hide the money was because it was over the amount allowed by LAW. Hence the reason why they tried to change the law retroactively, kinda like georgie did in the USA, only they didn't succeed here. Which is why now a year later they have had to fess up, they had no choice, the only thing they could do was to try and time it when they thought people were not watching.3.5 million in scammed money before they took office. 'nuff said. Read the original post. There was $1,500 over the amount allowed by LAW. It has been returned. What law did GW Bush change in the US? So you are backing away from your false claim about people changing their votes over the issue? Good debate. You are adding a lot of new points and making your points clearly and consistently. The mis-characterizations won't fly with the voters. Which I take it you are tacitly admitting. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Catchme Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 No mischaracterizing it, and no I am not backing away, as I stated polls say it all. George Bush was an incidential off side. It is off topic. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 No mischaracterizing it, and no I am not backing away, as I stated polls say it all. Nobody has mentioned any polls on this thread. I haven't seen any polls released since this issue with Elections Canada was resolved. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Who's Doing What? Posted December 30, 2006 Report Posted December 30, 2006 It was not a mistake it was a deliberate action. Why is this so hard for you grasp? There is no proof it was a deliberate action. Provide some and I will take a look. I'm sorry but you calling it a deliberate action does not make it so. So you really believe that Liberal corruption is a concern for voters but CPC corruption is unimportant? Nice world of double standards you live in. Corruption is always a concern for voters. A differing interpretation of the Elections Act is not corruption. Provide some actual proof of corruption. The Liberals were proven to be corrupt by Justice Gomery. *Nobody* is alleging corruption over this issue. I take it your ignoring my question means you have *never* read the Elections Act. Holy ****, you are serious waste of time and space. Whatever, enjoy your man crush on Harper, with your double standard for what is right and wrong. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
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