What really happened on Saturday

mikedavid00 · December 5, 2006

Well here's the most insider stuff I have on what happened on Saturday. I'll make this short.

-Dion/Kennedy made previous arrangements to back each other. Both were old party loyalists. Spotted in Toronto resturaunt 4 months previous. Already admitted yesterday that this was planned. Both Rae and Iggy knew of this before hand but didn't bother them.

-"Rae public favourite for Liberal leadership: poll

Updated Sat. Oct. 14 2006" . Rae and his camp thought he was going to win due to Iggy's lackluster performances and dithering.

-Rae previously knew he was getting support from the anti-establishment wing of the party so didn't feel he needed Iggy's vote becuase he fealt it would come down to the 2 of them.

-Rae during his speech was show-boating and showing everyone how he's such a seasoned politician that he's able to shoot from the hip and doesn't need cue cards.

-There were lots of things that went on at the convention like buttons being passed out, Dion greeting people at the top of an elevator to get in. There was supposedly a lot of drinks flowing during the last couple of ballats. Lots of rumors were going around on the floor. Supposedly people were jumping back and forth based off rumors. You may have seen some iggy/dion signs at some points being held by members who were led by false rumors. Supposedly this was rampat. Young trudeau was in the crowd shmoozing with kiddie voters and had an extreme impact on getting all Kennedy voters to go Dion and not stray.

-Dion and Kennedy sided. Despite 6 contenders, and those who worked with Dion, they all backed Rae to send a messege to the establishment. Dion is not known to be liked or that respected by his collegues.

-Regardless, Rae ended up in third and decided to back no one becuase he understood what happened and realized that the establishment backing Dion/Kennedy was too strong and the vote wasn't democratic.

The bottom line is supposedly Rae (and Iggy) didn't know how to 'play' the Liberal convention. He thougtht people standing beside him would let him win and it didn't. He didn't know how to play the elite power game that the Liberals are known for. Polls mean nothing if your system is setup to be corrupt and chronie-ist. Now I see what Belinda's 1 member 1 vote change was all about. She lost though.

The rumor is that Ignatieff will be gone very shortly. Dion is also supposeldy media showboating right now with Kennedy and his position has already been promised. There is a Rae/Molruney/Stronach elitist Ontario connection that may try to take the party over during the right time when it's vunerable. I made a similar prediction.

The general feedback on the radio stations has been extremely negative towards Dion because people feel it's 'more of the same' Quebec based polics.

geoffrey · December 5, 2006

Rae, Mulroney and Stronach working together? Please, immediately grab what your drinking and send it to me! I need some of that stuff!

mikedavid00 · December 5, 2006

Rae, Mulroney and Stronach working together? Please, immediately grab what your drinking and send it to me! I need some of that stuff!

They are all in the same elite circle supposeldy in the Toront/Oakville area. Mulrouny sits on the board of Belinda's Dad's company and Bob Rae has ties with all of the above. I think Chris Peterson also is in that circle.

All the elites in Canada know one another.

geoffrey · December 5, 2006

Rae, Mulroney and Stronach working together? Please, immediately grab what your drinking and send it to me! I need some of that stuff!

They are all in the same elite circle supposeldy in the Toront/Oakville area. Mulrouny sits on the board of Belinda's Dad's company and Bob Rae has ties with all of the above. I think Chris Peterson also is in that circle.

All the elites in Canada know one another.

Maybe Martin and Desmarais will join too then! John Rae is on the board of Power Corp after all (I always thought the name of that company was very fitting with it's success in positioning and funding PM's).

Bob Rae doesn't fit in with those, he's hated in the business world. Belinda and Mulroney, ok. Bob Rae with the business guys, nah uh.

August1991 · December 5, 2006

Mike, there is nothing particularly striking in your recounting of events since, despite the fluorishes of delegates drinking and so on, that's more or less what happened. One of Ignatieff, Kennedy, Rae or Dion was going to be leader. Ignatieff and Rae had no growth potential (having too many negatives) and Kennedy crossed over to make Dion leader. Dion owes Kennedy his leadership and Dion was second choice to many delegates. (I'd say Dion was leader by default.)

There is now planted a seed of Chretien/Martin, Mulroney/Clark, Blair/Brown rivalry between Dion and Kennedy. And Kennedy is too ambitious and too egotistical to let it drop easily.

The rumor is that Ignatieff will be gone very shortly. Dion is also supposeldy media showboating right now with Kennedy and his position has already been promised. There is a Rae/Molruney/Stronach elitist Ontario connection that may try to take the party over during the right time when it's vunerable. I made a similar prediction.

Rae/Mulroney/Stronach? WTF? You might as well say that Hillary Clinton and Bush Jnr have a plan to make John Kerry the next president.

OTOH, I agree that Ignatieff will be gone soon. Rae will not run in the next federal election either. Both had to say the opposite after the convention.

Figleaf · December 5, 2006

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-Rae previously knew he was getting support from the anti-establishment wing of the party ...

-Dion and Kennedy sided. Despite 6 contenders, and those who worked with Dion, they all backed Rae to send a messege to the establishment. ...

-Regardless, Rae ended up in third and decided to back no one becuase he understood what happened and realized that the establishment backing Dion/Kennedy was too strong and the vote wasn't democratic.

The bottom line is supposedly Rae (and Iggy) didn't know how to 'play' the Liberal convention. He thougtht people standing beside him would let him win and it didn't. He didn't know how to play the elite power game that the Liberals are known for. ...

... Dion is also supposeldy media showboating right now with Kennedy and his position has already been promised. There is a Rae/Molruney/Stronach elitist Ontario connection that may try to take the party over during the right time when it's vunerable. I made a similar prediction.

The general feedback on the radio stations has been extremely negative towards Dion because people feel it's 'more of the same' Quebec based polics.

:wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Where on earth are you getting this stuff?

normanchateau · December 5, 2006

Wonder why less Liberal MPs backed Dion than Rae, Kennedy or Ignatieff if they knew this would be the outcome?

mikedavid00 · December 5, 2006

Wonder why less Liberal MPs backed Dion than Rae, Kennedy or Ignatieff if they knew this would be the outcome?

Becuase they knew that the Dion/Kennedy deal was fixed and the old establishment was backing it. It was an attempt to get the party away from Quebec and to overthrow the old establishment.

Of course, they lost because the old estabishment was too powerful.

The weird thing is, Dion was rumored to have also backed Rae if Kennedy fell through due to Dions resentment for Iggy and his Quebec stance.

What you saw was not democracy that night, it was insider politics and the old establishment keeping their party in Quebec. I garuntee this is not over and Dion's first election will be his last.

And yes, all the political/business elites in the Ontario scene know each other. That goes for the Maple Leaf Chairs, to Stronach, to Rae, Peterson, and of course, Tie Domie. hehe had to throw that in.

jbg · December 18, 2006

Another Francophone LPOC coup.

mikedavid00 · December 18, 2006

Another Francophone LPOC coup.

I justed wanted to note again that I was right amist the allegations of anti Jewish remarks from people at the convetion. Here's what I said:

"There were lots of things that went on at the convention like buttons being passed out, Dion greeting people at the top of an elevator to get in. There was supposedly a lot of drinks flowing during the last couple of ballats. Lots of rumors were going around on the floor. Supposedly people were jumping back and forth based off rumors."