Why doesn't Quebec just separate already

[JerrySeinfeld]

Here we go again. Another national debate about Quebec's status within Canada.

This is so tiresome. Let;s face it, Quebec IS different. I mean, if you took Quebec out of most national opinion polls about issues, we would be a heck of a lot different as a country. Quebec's uniquesness skews our federal government's policy on everything from gay marriage to foreign policy.

I think Quebec has a right to be free from us and we have a right to be free from them.

I don't want this thread to be about logistics - I know there are many difficult things to engineer (but can it really be anymore difficult, expensive and time consuming than the endless constitutional crisis we've had since 1981?).

What I am talking about here are ideas, culture and independence.

Nevermind that Quebec's Independence movement is the single most unsuccessful in a world where just about any small group of people can become a nation.

The fact is, we can all live side by side in peace. Let's just end the misery. This isn't an "I hate Quebec" rant. This is just a plea for an end to this. Let's start the process and help our friends in Quebec separate from Canada!!!

Vive La Quebec Libre!!!!

[Wilber]

But they keep having referendums and so far a majority don't want to separate. What about them? Are they not "Quebec" as well?

[JerrySeinfeld]

But they keep having referendums and so far a majority don't want to separate. What about them? Are they not "Quebec" as well?

Yea you're right - we need to find a "Montreal" solution. Maybe like west Berlin?

[Fortunata]

This is ridiculous - who says that everyone in one country has to be exactly the same? Are Newfoundlanders the same as Albertans? Are British Columbians the same as Ontarians? Are Nunavutians the same as Nova Scotians? NO! Yet we fail to call all these different factions "nations"; if it is true for Quebecers it can be said it should be the same for all other ethnicities or regions. What is it that makes Quebecers think they are more special, more different than any other group that they deserve all the extras?

[blueblood]

This is ridiculous - who says that everyone in one country has to be exactly the same? Are Newfoundlanders the same as Albertans? Are British Columbians the same as Ontarians? Are Nunavutians the same as Nova Scotians? NO! Yet we fail to call all these different factions "nations"; if it is true for Quebecers it can be said it should be the same for all other ethnicities or regions. What is it that makes Quebecers think they are more special, more different than any other group that they deserve all the extras?

The spanking they received on the Plains of Abraham and the benevolence of the British Empire. j/k

[JerrySeinfeld]

This is ridiculous - who says that everyone in one country has to be exactly the same? Are Newfoundlanders the same as Albertans? Are British Columbians the same as Ontarians? Are Nunavutians the same as Nova Scotians? NO! Yet we fail to call all these different factions "nations"; if it is true for Quebecers it can be said it should be the same for all other ethnicities or regions. What is it that makes Quebecers think they are more special, more different than any other group that they deserve all the extras?

The spanking they received on the Plains of Abraham and the benevolence of the British Empire. j/k

j/k but it's true. our society is so self-loathing, we go out and kick the snot out of societies in battle, then feel sorry for them and start making reparations.

Listen up Quebec and aboriginals: you got conquered. That doesn't give you the right to endless government payoffs. Deal with it.

[Technocrat]

This is ridiculous - who says that everyone in one country has to be exactly the same? Are Newfoundlanders the same as Albertans? Are British Columbians the same as Ontarians? Are Nunavutians the same as Nova Scotians? NO! Yet we fail to call all these different factions "nations"; if it is true for Quebecers it can be said it should be the same for all other ethnicities or regions. What is it that makes Quebecers think they are more special, more different than any other group that they deserve all the extras?

The spanking they received on the Plains of Abraham and the benevolence of the British Empire. j/k

j/k but it's true. our society is so self-loathing, we go out and kick the snot out of societies in battle, then feel sorry for them and start making reparations.

Listen up Quebec and aboriginals: you got conquered. That doesn't give you the right to endless government payoffs. Deal with it.

omfg i can't beleive it but im in total agreement with Jerry for once.

[Saturn]

Yes, another debate THANKS to Mr. Harper. This guy will do anything to take attention away from the real issues in Canada and his ridiculous performance on the international stage and put it in a pointless debate that's as old as Canada itself and will not be solved any time soon. He is also doing it just to get votes in Quebec that would otherwise go to the Bloc.

Quebec cannot separate at the whim of provincial politicians who want to be presidents. The main reason being that the majority of Quebecers don't want to separate. If the overwhelming majority of them wanted to separate, it would be the right thing to do. But if you put the straight question "Do you want Quebec to be an independent country?", less than a third will say "Yes". The only reason many Quebeckers vote for the Bloc is because they know that the more they complain, the more goodies they will get from ROC in return. Because ROC, Mr. Harper included, will appease them and give them goodies for the nagging they do. Period!

[gerryhatrick]

Why don't you just move to Iran already, if you hate Canada so much.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Why don't you just move to Iran already, if you hate Canada so much.

Hey - if I wanted to be surrounded by fanatical Muslim youths I'd skip Iran move to Paris, London or Brussels...all the jihad with better rail service

[gerryhatrick]

Why don't you just move to Iran already, if you hate Canada so much.

Hey - if I wanted to be surrounded by fanatical Muslim youths I'd skip Iran move to Paris, London or Brussels...all the jihad with better rail service

Anyplace but Canada. Don't stay someplace you care nothing about.

[Saturn]

Here we go again. Another national debate about Quebec's status within Canada.

This is so tiresome. Let;s face it, Quebec IS different. I mean, if you took Quebec out of most national opinion polls about issues, we would be a heck of a lot different as a country. Quebec's uniquesness skews our federal government's policy on everything from gay marriage to foreign policy.

I think Quebec has a right to be free from us and we have a right to be free from them.

I don't want this thread to be about logistics - I know there are many difficult things to engineer (but can it really be anymore difficult, expensive and time consuming than the endless constitutional crisis we've had since 1981?).

What I am talking about here are ideas, culture and independence.

Nevermind that Quebec's Independence movement is the single most unsuccessful in a world where just about any small group of people can become a nation.

The fact is, we can all live side by side in peace. Let's just end the misery. This isn't an "I hate Quebec" rant. This is just a plea for an end to this. Let's start the process and help our friends in Quebec separate from Canada!!!

Vive La Quebec Libre!!!!

I don't know what makes you think that you are more Canadian than Quebeckers are. Last time I checked, we all carry the same passports and we all have the right to have a voice in Canada. They don't "skew" opinion on national issues - they are part of Canada and opinion polls on those issues fairly represent them. By the same logic, if you removed Albertans from the polls, Canada would be quite a different country as well. Should we kick Alberta out of the union because Albertan values differ significantly from the rest of the country?

[Hydraboss]

Yes please.

[B. Max]

Should we kick Alberta out of the union because Albertan values differ significantly from the rest of the country?

Yup, the sooner the better.

[jdobbin]

Yup, the sooner the better.

Can't see it happening when you won't even run as a separatist in Alberta nor are about to stop supporting the Conservatives federally.

[Saturn]

Should we kick Alberta out of the union because Albertan values differ significantly from the rest of the country?

Yup, the sooner the better.

Well, then you better start working on it. Where are the separatist parties in Alberta? You can't just sit there and expect to separate without putting some major effort into it.

[Wilber]

But they keep having referendums and so far a majority don't want to separate. What about them? Are they not "Quebec" as well?

Yea you're right - we need to find a "Montreal" solution. Maybe like west Berlin?

Wouldn't count the possibility out if it came to that.

[geoffrey]

It's funny that on a fairly representative board out of the 5 Albertans I can think of, 3 are for sure sepertists, one has a bit of a curious interest in Alberta seperation and only one is a real Federalist.

We only have one Quebecker (Quebecois?) who's somewhat enigmatic about his sympathies.

I'd be curious to see what in an actual referendum Albertans would vote for. I think we'd see a suprisingly higher number for seperation than we'd like expect. I'd likely vote no myself, but looking at the board members here, that makes it 3-2... dangerous.

jdobbin has the best point of all though. No one credible is willing to take the helm and steer the ship to open waters.

[scribblet]

How many threads on this now, at least 3.

Did anyone bother to actually read what Harper said: which wass, "That this House recognize that the Quebecois form a nation within a united Canada."

I don't think we should be getting our knickers in a knot yet, as he was referring to people, who identify with the Francophone culture. He did not propose that the province of Quebec be recognized as a separate nation.

Word is now out that the Bloc Quebecois will agree to this. Maybe this will be used as a spring board for separation - maybe it is time to let them go.

[Higgly]

How many threads on this now, at least 3.

Did anyone bother to actually read what Harper said: which wass, "That this House recognize that the Quebecois form a nation within a united Canada."

I don't think we should be getting our knickers in a knot yet, as he was referring to people, who identify with the Francophone culture. He did not propose that the province of Quebec be recognized as a separate nation.

Word is now out that the Bloc Quebecois will agree to this. Maybe this will be used as a spring board for separation - maybe it is time to let them go.

You bet it will. Harper has opened Pandora's box to win votes in Quebec. Are you ready to kiss good-bye to one of our largest population, cultural, resource, capital market, commercial market, and tax bases? Are you ready to show your passport at the Quebec border? Are you ready to kiss off billions of dollars in real estate and infrastrcuture in places like Hull and Montreal? Are you ready to do all of this so Stephen Harper can win an election? He has already changed the face of Canada just by bringing up the issue.

It is remarkable to me that Harper could lay the groundwork so well for recreational drugs by implementing legislation concerning the measurement of driver inebriation and yet walk off the end of the pier with no lifejacket when it comes to the makeup of our nation.

Yet another sign that this guy does not have the experience it takes to run a country. Just another Ignatieff, IMHO.

I say, send the bastard packing. Ralph Klein is right. He is no friend of Canada.

[scribblet]

You bet it will. Harper has opened Pandora's box to win votes in Quebec. Are you ready to kiss good-bye to one of our largest population, cultural, resource, capital market, commercial market, and tax bases? Are you ready to show your passport at the Quebec border? Are you ready to kiss off billions of dollars in real estate and infrastrcuture in places like Hull and Montreal? Are you ready to do all of this so Stephen Harper can win an election? He has already changed the face of Canada just by bringing up the issue.

I say, send the bastard packing. Ralph Klein is right. He is no friend of Canada.

Huh - who on earth is the Pillsbury doughboy?

I agree, maybe it is time to send Quebec packing; I couldn't care less if Quebec separates or if I need a passport, it works both ways. They can kiss all our equalization payments good by and take on a good portion of the national debt etc. etc. they would be the bigger losers; either way there would still be economic ties and trade.

I doubt they would get a majority anyway in a referendum.

[Higgly]

You bet it will. Harper has opened Pandora's box to win votes in Quebec. Are you ready to kiss good-bye to one of our largest population, cultural, resource, capital market, commercial market, and tax bases? Are you ready to show your passport at the Quebec border? Are you ready to kiss off billions of dollars in real estate and infrastrcuture in places like Hull and Montreal? Are you ready to do all of this so Stephen Harper can win an election? He has already changed the face of Canada just by bringing up the issue.

I say, send the bastard packing. Ralph Klein is right. He is no friend of Canada.

Huh - who on earth is the Pillsbury doughboy?

I agree, maybe it is time to send Quebec packing; I couldn't care less if Quebec separates or if I need a passport, it works both ways. They can kiss all our equalization payments good by and take on a good portion of the national debt etc. etc. they would be the bigger losers; either way there would still be economic ties and trade.

I doubt they would get a majority anyway in a referendum.

I was in the process of editing the post when you responded.

As far as a referendum majority, Harper has just delivered it on a silver platter. Welcome to Steve's world.

So much for your current signature: "Please adjust your shorts. The discomfort you are experiencing is caused by Grits."

[scribblet]

You bet it will. Harper has opened Pandora's box to win votes in Quebec. Are you ready to kiss good-bye to one of our largest population, cultural, resource, capital market, commercial market, and tax bases? Are you ready to show your passport at the Quebec border? Are you ready to kiss off billions of dollars in real estate and infrastrcuture in places like Hull and Montreal? Are you ready to do all of this so Stephen Harper can win an election? He has already changed the face of Canada just by bringing up the issue.

I say, send the bastard packing. Ralph Klein is right. He is no friend of Canada.

Huh - who on earth is the Pillsbury doughboy?

I agree, maybe it is time to send Quebec packing; I couldn't care less if Quebec separates or if I need a passport, it works both ways. They can kiss all our equalization payments good by and take on a good portion of the national debt etc. etc. they would be the bigger losers; either way there would still be economic ties and trade.

I doubt they would get a majority anyway in a referendum.

I was in the process of editing the post when you responded.

As far as a referendum majority, Harper has just delivered it on a silver platter. Welcome to Steve's world.

So much for your current signature: "Please adjust your shorts. The discomfort you are experiencing is caused by Grits."

My signature still stands and is still apprapro.....I direct you again to the G & M article

I found this article very, very good. I think it is important for all Canadians to understand the importance of this move, and why it was the right move.

r. Graham gave his reply in an equally moving speech. His party would support the Conservative motion, he said.

Mr. Charest, who received a copy of the motion just before it was read in the House, called to say he was delighted. Inside the House antechambers, MPs on the Liberal and Conservative side were jubilant.

Thursday morning, former prime minister Brian Mulroney, who is on vacation in Florida, called Ms. LeBreton to say how impressed he was with the media coverage.

“I said to the Prime Minister,” she said, “You can never go wrong when you do the right thing.

[Higgly]

My signature still stands and is still apprapro.....

Well scriblett, this is just so delicious, since 'à propos' is a French expression, and you have spelled it wrong.

r. Graham gave his reply in an equally moving speech. His party would support the Conservative motion, he said.

I see. And where does he stand in the Liberal leadership poll? Cheap Thrills.

Mr. Charest, who received a copy of the motion just before it was read in the House, called to say he was delighted.

What the hell did you expect?

Thursday morning, former prime minister Brian Mulroney, who is on vacation in Florida, called Ms. LeBreton to say how impressed he was with the media coverage.

“I said to the Prime Minister,” she said, “You can never go wrong when you do the right thing.

Of course, this is a guy we have all come to know and respect. Our greenest Primer Minister. What's the latest word on the GST, scriblett? Heh, heh.

[scribblet]

oooohhh, now now, calm down, have a glass of warm milk and take it easy - your getting kind of apoplectic there , be careful and don't start drooling