Christian Anti-Syrian Lebanese MP Killed

[White Doors]

BD I have an honest question for you. At what point WOULD you advocate the use of force or war?

I would approve the use of force in instances of self-defence and, (and this is an important consideration) in cases of self defence where the use of force is likely to acheive something. For exaple, this past summer, I had no problem with Israel trying to root out Hizbullah rocket launchers. I had a problem with them bombing and blockading the entire country.

The use of force must be proportional, and must have measurable results. Not force for force's sake.

Or maybe "stop attacking Israel if Israel pulls out of Gaza" (sic). Or "let's have peace if Israel pulls out completely of south lebanon" (sic).

Or "it's 1991 - the UN has THESE conditions to the end of the Iraq war....10 years later you still haven't complied and you're flouting our every attempt to make you comply with our resolution..."

Sorry, I got caught sidetracked talking about examples of how diplomacy miserably fails with irrational violent dictators and quasi-terrorist groups.

Hizbullah, to my knowledge, never agreed to a ceasefire in South lebanon. And there was no bilateral agreement on Gaza.

Now let's not even get into how diplomacy basically says to terrorist groups "terrorism works - if you blow enough people up, they'll listen."

Whereas the use of force clearly sends the message that terrorism doesn't work, which is why Israel was able to solve its terrorist problem. Wait...what?

Basically he approves of force as long as it's not Israel doing it.

[Black Dog]

I'll be honest. Unless people in the Middle East, other than Israel, want peace, there wil never be peace. As Golda Meir, former PM of Israel said to Anwar Sadat on the occasion of his visit to Israel: "We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours." On another occasion she said, and I may be paraphrasing: "Peace will come to the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours".

So you have no idea, no vision, nothing positive to offer and, indeed, nothing to offer but cliches. I think that goes to show how unserious you are and how you've nothing to bring to the discussion.

I must point out the irony of quoting Meir's words to the Egyptian Sadat to support the idea that peace is an elusive impossibility. Egypt and Israel were once implacable foes: today, they stand at peace with one another, which proves that peace through diplomacy is never an impossibility.

[Higgly]

As Golda Meir, former PM of Israel said to Anwar Sadat on the occasion of his visit to Israel: "We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours."

She must have been thinking of the Israeli terrorists that were caught setting off bombs in Egyptian cinemas and mailboxes during Nasser's regime. I guess she was ticked off that Egypt executed some of them.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I would approve the use of force in instances of self-defence and, (and this is an important consideration) in cases of self defence where the use of force is likely to acheive something. For exaple, this past summer, I had no problem with Israel trying to root out Hizbullah rocket launchers. I had a problem with them bombing and blockading the entire country.

By this defenition you would have been against the Allied forces "intervening" in a war between the Nazis and continental Europe.

Just what I would have expected.

[Black Dog]

By this defenition you would have been against the Allied forces "intervening" in a war between the Nazis and continental Europe.

Just what I would have expected.

What part of "self-defence" don't you understand?

[jbg]

By this defenition you would have been against the Allied forces "intervening" in a war between the Nazis and continental Europe.

Just what I would have expected.

What part of "self-defence" don't you understand?

And your point?

[colliver19]

Is it just me, or is the UN anti-American, anti-Israel bias starting to look pretty weak in the face of more continued agression by Hezbollah and the rest of the Jihad....

You have to ask yourself a question:

When the majority of nations dislike America and Israel, is it the majority of nations who are wrong or America and Israel?

I know Americans love democracy so its very much a rhetorical question I guess

[jbg]

Is it just me, or is the UN anti-American, anti-Israel bias starting to look pretty weak in the face of more continued agression by Hezbollah and the rest of the Jihad....

You have to ask yourself a question:

When the majority of nations dislike America and Israel, is it the majority of nations who are wrong or America and Israel?

I know Americans love democracy so its very much a rhetorical question I guess

When the "leaders" that speak for all of these nations making up a spurious "world opinion" are basically thieving thugs, it's the "majority of nations". No question about it.