Scientists Blame Sun for Global Warming

[scribblet]

I'm shocked I say - I'm shocked.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/56456.stm

Scientists blame sun for global warming

Climate changes such as global warming may be due to changes in the sun rather than to the release of greenhouse gases on Earth.

Climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Philadelphia say the present warming may be unusual - but a mini ice age could soon follow.

The sun provides all the energy that drives our climate, but it is not the constant star it might seem.

Careful studies over the last 20 years show that its overall brightness and energy output increases slightly as sunspot activity rises to the peak of its 11-year cycle.

And individual cycles can be more or less active.

The sun is currently at its most active for 300 years.

That, say scientists in Philadelphia, could be a more significant cause of global warming than the emissions of greenhouse gases that are most often blamed.

The researchers point out that much of the half-a-degree rise in global temperature over the last 120 years occurred before 1940 - earlier than the biggest rise in greenhouse gas emissions......................

[Cameron]

This sh!t is coming outta left field and everywhere.....

[jdobbin]

I'm shocked I say - I'm shocked.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/56456.stm

Scientists blame sun for global warming

You dug up a 1998 study with no scientists actually named?

[scribblet]

I'm shocked I say - I'm shocked.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/56456.stm

Scientists blame sun for global warming

You dug up a 1998 study with no scientists actually named?

The point is there is no real agreement on the issue.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050...sun_effect.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../ixnewstop.html

[jdobbin]

The point is there is no real agreement on the issue.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050...sun_effect.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../ixnewstop.html

This has been the goal of the right wing in all things science: discredit it.

It hasn't worked with Intelligent Design and it won't work on global warming unless you actually build a strong on it instead of unnamed scientists citing work that hasn't been thoroughly studied.

From your own link:

"The Sun may have minimally contributed about 10 to 30 percent of the 1980-2002 global surface warming," the researchers said in a statement today."

[gerryhatrick]

I'm shocked too.

I'm shocked that anyone would post an 8 year old article and pretend that it's news, or that it hasn't been completely debunked.

No lifeline is too short or thin for those who are unable or unwilling to accept the reality of Global Warming due to the overwhelming nature of it and the fear it causes in them.

[gerryhatrick]

And btw, every global warming piece I've posted has had a connection to Federal Politics in Canada.

Do we really want to open the doors of this area of the forum to any and all Global Warming articles? If so, I know a few - maybe 20 or so - which are much more recent and would put this piece of hit&run garbage to absolute shame.

[scribblet]

And btw, every global warming piece I've posted has had a connection to Federal Politics in Canada.

Do we really want to open the doors of this area of the forum to any and all Global Warming articles? If so, I know a few - maybe 20 or so - which are much more recent and would put this piece of hit&run garbage to absolute shame.

oooohhh nice rant get a grip

[gerryhatrick]

And btw, every global warming piece I've posted has had a connection to Federal Politics in Canada.

Do we really want to open the doors of this area of the forum to any and all Global Warming articles? If so, I know a few - maybe 20 or so - which are much more recent and would put this piece of hit&run garbage to absolute shame.

oooohhh nice rant

Glad you liked it. Print it off and tack it to your fridge so you will never forget it.

[B. Max]

And btw, every global warming piece I've posted has had a connection to Federal Politics in Canada.

Do we really want to open the doors of this area of the forum to any and all Global Warming articles? If so, I know a few - maybe 20 or so - which are much more recent and would put this piece of hit&run garbage to absolute shame.

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

[jdobbin]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

[shoggoth]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998

[jdobbin]

My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998

There is no use convincing him.

He also believes in Intelligent Design and disbelieves evolution.

[gerryhatrick]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998

Bob Carter, yes indeed. A die-hard liar/denier paid for by oil&gas.

http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/27/1/

You probably called it.

[B. Max]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe-m.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...4/09/do0907.xml

[gerryhatrick]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe-m.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...4/09/do0907.xml

Shoggoth, you called it right!

Bob Carter. Good grief.

B.Max, why do you deny the reality of Global Warming? Is there some financial concern to you, or do you find it unbelievable and overwhelming?

[B. Max]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998

Bob Carter, yes indeed. A die-hard liar/denier paid for by oil&gas.

http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/27/1/

You probably called it.

Typical left wing tactic of the gloom and doom industry and all originating from commie command and control

at the cesspool of corruption.

[scribblet]

Glad you liked it. Print it off and tack it to your fridge so you will never forget it.

That'll be a frosty friday

[B. Max]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe-m.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...4/09/do0907.xml

Shoggoth, you called it right!

Bob Carter. Good grief.

B.Max, why do you deny the reality of Global Warming? Is there some financial concern to you, or do you find it unbelievable and overwhelming?

I deny there is any man made global warming because there is no evidence for it.

[gerryhatrick]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998

Bob Carter, yes indeed. A die-hard liar/denier paid for by oil&gas.

http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/27/1/

You probably called it.

Typical left wing tactic of the gloom and doom industry and all originating from commie command and control

at the cesspool of corruption.

What is the "typical left wing tactic"? Looking truthfully at a source for information, and identifying when the source is a bought and paid for liar?

Yeah, I guess it is.

You are the one who chose to make Bob Carter your expert. That guy isn't a scientist, he's a PR man. And he gets his money from the energy lobby sector.

I linked a source which contains various links to information on him. You might want to read it if you're thinking of posting anythign else from Mr. Carter. Unless you're not interested in the truth, that is.

[B. Max]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998

Bob Carter, yes indeed. A die-hard liar/denier paid for by oil&gas.

http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/27/1/

You probably called it.

Typical left wing tactic of the gloom and doom industry and all originating from commie command and control

at the cesspool of corruption.

What is the "typical left wing tactic"? Looking truthfully at a source for information, and identifying when the source is a bought and paid for liar?

Yeah, I guess it is.

You are the one who chose to make Bob Carter your expert. That guy isn't a scientist, he's a PR man. And he gets his money from the energy lobby sector.

I linked a source which contains various links to information on him. You might want to read it if you're thinking of posting anythign else from Mr. Carter. Unless you're not interested in the truth, that is.

You might want to take a look at the facts.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe-m.htm

[gerryhatrick]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

My bet is you can expect a telegraph article by Bob Carter to be linked to now...That article was what started this widespread myth that temperature hasn't increased since 1998

Bob Carter, yes indeed. A die-hard liar/denier paid for by oil&gas.

http://allpoliticsnow.com/content/view/27/1/

You probably called it.

Typical left wing tactic of the gloom and doom industry and all originating from commie command and control

at the cesspool of corruption.

What is the "typical left wing tactic"? Looking truthfully at a source for information, and identifying when the source is a bought and paid for liar?

Yeah, I guess it is.

You are the one who chose to make Bob Carter your expert. That guy isn't a scientist, he's a PR man. And he gets his money from the energy lobby sector.

I linked a source which contains various links to information on him. You might want to read it if you're thinking of posting anythign else from Mr. Carter. Unless you're not interested in the truth, that is.

You might want to take a look at the facts.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe-m.htm

You don't even know what you're posting.

You didn't answer my question B.Max:

Why do you deny the reality of Global Warming? Is there some financial concern to you, or do you find it unbelievable and overwhelming?

[shoggoth]

Maybe you could post the proof of man made global warming while you're at it, and tell the class why there has been no increase in global temperature since 1998.

You haven't shown that it hasn't increased.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/UAHMSUglobe-m.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...4/09/do0907.xml

You only have to look at the last 30 years on these graphs to wonder what the hell Bob Carter is going on about

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/resea...ded-temp-pg.gif

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

[kimmy]

Why does he keep posting that same graph as if it means anything?

What's "UAH"? What's "MSU"?

How can you visually interpret that graph without applying some sort of averaging? It's impossible to determine any temperature trend in its current form.

I went to the Columbia icefield a couple of years ago with my dad, who remembers what that glacier was like in the 1970s. His reaction is all the evidence I need to know that climate change is taking place here in Alberta.

-k

[B. Max]

You only have to look at the last 30 years on these graphs to wonder what the hell Bob Carter is going on about

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/resea...ded-temp-pg.gif

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

Better take a closer look.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/NCDCanom.htm