Ricki Bobbi Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 There is legislation against attacking any person, whatever their race, religion or ethnicity but Harper has no problems with hate crime legislation on those grounds. Your point being? Call him a *homophobe* all you want. He voted the way his constituents wanted him to. He hasn't brought up the issue of hate crimes legislation again and won't. *scary* *scary* *scary* = *homophobe* *homophobe* *homophobe* = sad, tired, pathetic and self-interested... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Wilber Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 To me, excluding gay bashing from hate crimes legislation is even more homophobic than voting against same-sex marriage. The only reason we need hate crimes legislation is because our weak kneed judiciary don't treat violence against anyone with the seriousness it requires. Why does a violent act against a gay person require more attention under the law than a violent act against one who is straight? You are raising a different but very important issue, namely, why do we need hate crimes legislation. Had Harper said he opposed hate crimes legislation per se, I would have no problem with that position. But in fact he said he favoured hate crimes legislation for race, ethnicity and religion but not for sexual orientation. Harper and I don't agree on everything and this is one of them. I don't believe we do need hate crimes legislation, we just need to prosecute those who's motivation is hate to the full extent of the law that applies to all of us. Sorry, wasn't trying to hyjack the thread, honest. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 Not all Canadians have forgotten that Harper and the other former Reform/Alliance members of the current Conservative party voted against including sexual orientation in hate crimes legislation. To me, excluding gay bashing from hate crimes legislation is even more homophobic than voting against same-sex marriage. Sigh. What can be done with someone who insists on making the same ludicrous, dishonest claim, month after month, despite having been repeatedly told he's talking out of his ass? Do you have a fixation? An obsession? Do you have some kind of psychological problem which causes your eyes to glaze over and your mind to suffer a minor stroke every time the explanation is put up there before you? Are you really incapable of understanding the difference between hate crimes legislation and hate speech lesiglation? The hate speech legislation, which you persist in calling "hate crimes" legislation, was not about acts of violence, but about SPEECH. Harper opposed including homosexuals under hate SPEECH legislationi for fear that religious people citing their biblical or other holy texts' prohibitions against homosexual behaviour, could be prosecuted. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
normanchateau Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 There is legislation against attacking any person, whatever their race, religion or ethnicity but Harper has no problems with hate crime legislation on those grounds. Your point being? My point being that Harper has no problem with hate crimes legislation based on race, ethnicity or religion. But he doesn't see gay bashing as worthy of hate crimes legislation. If it's not homophobia, it's likely religious extremism that motivated him to vote against the legislation. This is an understandable position if he were leader of the Christian Heritage Party but he's the Prime Minister of Canada, all of Canada. Quote
Topaz Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 I like to know who are the people they ask? Do they ask the supporters of the govt seating?? It like the poll that show people are against the war more now than ever. Alberta was the only one that supported the war, home of the Alliance!! Quote
Argus Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 My point being that Harper has no problem with hate crimes legislation based on race, ethnicity or religion. Do you have any evidence of this? But he doesn't see gay bashing as worthy of hate crimes legislation. Do you have any evidence of this? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 My point being that Harper has no problem with hate crimes legislation based on race, ethnicity or religion.But he doesn't see gay bashing as worthy of hate crimes legislation. If it's not homophobia, it's likely religious extremism that motivated him to vote against the legislation. This is an understandable position if he were leader of the Christian Heritage Party but he's the Prime Minister of Canada, all of Canada. Harper was never asked to vote on other hate crimes legilsation. Uhhh, by that logic shouldn't the Prime Minister of all of Canada be fee to represent the views of all Canadians??? Unless it doesn't agree with the wishes of the GLBT community? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
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