Does a Jewish Conspiracy Really Exist?

[ft.niagara]

And where do you come to the conclusion that Israel is my favorite topic?

In a pervious post you reference where you post on Canadian forums about Israel. Israel Israel.

You are leading a campain.

[jbg]

And where do you come to the conclusion that Israel is my favorite topic?

In a pervious previous post you reference where you post on Canadian forums about Israel. Israel Israel.

You are leading a campain campaign.

That would hold equally true of Kyoto (which I oppose), rep-by-prop (which I also oppose), law and order issues and numerous other issues. Israel and/or Judaism are mentioned, maybe, in one-tenth of my posts. But I don't have to justify myself to Jew haters.

[ft.niagara]

But I don't have to justify myself to Jew haters.

Sorry about the spelling I wrote it quickly before work, and no I do not hate Jews. I have worked with one for 30 years. BTW, he is a frustrating knee jerk liberal, almost a contraian. I just think that Jews vote as a group, similar to how Blacks vote as a group. For Blacks, I think it is about 90% Democrat. For Jews, probably not quaite that high a percentage. And no, I do not think that voting preference is all related to Ellis Island, it is related to a deep liberal tradition among Jews in North America. Mr. normanchateau wanted proof for an opinion, which is rediculous anyway, and you seemed to demonstrate my opinion. In other words, to me you seem typically Jewish, but perhaps to the extreme.

In Israel, the Jews are more conservative:

http://www.israelnationalradio.com/Asx/tovias-w-2.asx

[jbg]

Lest you forget, I voted for Bush the second time around, for Pataki, for Reagan the second time around, and Bush Sr. the first time around. Hardly "to the extreme" in voting Democratic.

[ft.niagara]

Lest you forget, I voted for Bush the second time around, for Pataki, for Reagan the second time around, and Bush Sr. the first time around. Hardly "to the extreme" in voting Democratic.

OK, then you are not a typical Jew, for a Jew you are right of center.

Did you listen to the Israel Radio link? He was disgusted with the idea of gay Rabbis, if I remember.

[ft.niagara]

There is a lot of rumour about the existence of a "Jewish Conspiracy" especially in more conservative circles.

And I think I have arrived at a reasonable conclusion-----------a "Jewish Conspiracy" does NOT exist!! Rather

whatt really exist is a global conglomerate of bankers, industrialists, labour union leaders, politicians and other secretive types that are striving for TOTAL GLOBAL control!! They consist of Episcopilians, Methodists, Baptists, Roman Catholics, Jews, Atheists, Satanists, Pagans and others. These people control governments, cause depressions, and start wars. Can anyone tell me what role these people have with the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan?

Jimmy Carter seems to indicate that there is a conspiracy to manipulate a no debate about Israel mentality in the United States, whereas there is debate in the rest of the world.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commen...home-commentary

"The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations — but not in the United States. For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices"

[jbg]

Jimmy Carter seems to indicate that there is a conspiracy to manipulate a no debate about Israel mentality in the United States, whereas there is debate in the rest of the world.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commen...home-commentary

"The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations — but not in the United States. For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices"

Perhaps Mr. Carter's reflection of Arab and European values is why he was not re-elected US President. Perhaps he'd be more comfortable in a different intellectual environment than than the US.

The US is peopled by those whose first value is freedom and a strong civil society, thus placing it as a natural ally of Israel. Given Israel's small size and population, a "balanced view" by the US equals Israel's death.

[ft.niagara]

The US is peopled by those whose first value is freedom and a strong civil society, thus placing it as a natural ally of Israel. Given Israel's small size and population, a "balanced view" by the US equals Israel's death.

This thread is about is there a Jewish conspiracy, and Carter's book and op-ed seem to go along with that, an information conspiracy. It is thought by some that the media is controled by Jewish people. Carter feels that there is an abnormally strange absence of Israel debate in the American media. One plus one would indicate a Jewish conspiracy, at least according to Jimmy Carter.

This all leads to a thought, is the American military independent, or just an auxillary to the Israeli military?

[Rue]

Wilbur:It's not a secret society, it has a very informative website that describes very well how it operates.

Really ? How much money did they make last year ? How much went to the CFR ? What is the CFR doing ?

How come they get all these tax writeoffs for the foundations - why shouldn't the American people have access to what they are doing in these foundations ? - since they are using what should be tax dollars to fund them.

CFR stands for Council On Foreign Relations and its existence used to be written off as another conspiracy until people woke up to the fact that it has a big building and a street addess in New York.

It was founded by David Rockefeller as all these other secret foundations being used to dismantle the USA and other Western countries.

This is pathetic Lyndon Larouche conspiracy theory. This is an old theory commenced by Lyndon Larouche claiming there was a Rockefeller-Jimmy Carter conspiracy to take over the world with sinister world conspiring Jews. Give it a rest. One day your hero worshipping of Lydon Larouche is going to come to a crashing halt when you come to your senses and realize he was yet another paranoid, failure of a human being who found it easier to create conspiracy theories to justify hating, then dealing with the reflection coming back from his mirror.

For heaven's sake-wake up and challenge your blanket support of Lydon Larouche and try read and open your mind to something other then what Lyndon Larouche believes.

[Rue]

And where do you come to the conclusion that Israel is my favorite topic?

In a pervious post you reference where you post on Canadian forums about Israel. Israel Israel.

You are leading a campain.

No actually it is me. When I am not engaged in controlling Hollywood or running the world banking system, I engage in conspiracies with the Rockefellers, trilateral commission, Peurto Rican impotent homo-sexuals (oh please do read Lydon Larouche will you) and others I try dominate this web site.

I am the one you want. I am suprised you aren't in Tehran and the symposium. You would like it. I think you will like the part about how I make matzoh from the blood of not just Muslim children but Christian children and engage in the trafficking of the eyes of Palestinian children.

You know I have a busy day what with all my conspiracies and activities trying to take down the world, but yes you are right I am conspiring to take over the post and I will get you and watch it I may try circumsize you.

[Rue]

The US is peopled by those whose first value is freedom and a strong civil society, thus placing it as a natural ally of Israel. Given Israel's small size and population, a "balanced view" by the US equals Israel's death.

This thread is about is there a Jewish conspiracy, and Carter's book and op-ed seem to go along with that, an information conspiracy. It is thought by some that the media is controled by Jewish people. Carter feels that there is an abnormally strange absence of Israel debate in the American media. One plus one would indicate a Jewish conspiracy, at least according to Jimmy Carter.

This all leads to a thought, is the American military independent, or just an auxillary to the Israeli military?

That is not what he said. You are misquoting him. Oh but do go on. I know you know the truth and will save us all from the Jewish conspiracy. Thank you. Thank you so much.

[ft.niagara]

That is not what he said. You are misquoting him. Oh but do go on. I know you know the truth and will save us all from the Jewish conspiracy. Thank you. Thank you so much.

You are welcome, but I can not save you. I do believe that Carter did say there was a strange absense of debate, strange meaning controled.

http://imusblog.com/imus-cbs-jewish-manage...he-handicapped/

Imus is Jewish, I believe.

[ft.niagara]

No actually it is me. When I am not engaged in controlling Hollywood or running the world banking system

You know I have a busy day what with all my conspiracies and activities trying to take down the world, but yes you are right I am conspiring to take over the post and I will get you and watch it I may try circumsize you.

Are you Jewish? I am already circumsized, done many years ago. You sound a little out of control. If you really want to blow up, go to www.DavidDuke.com and his interview with Blitzer on CNN. In it he suggests the control of American Military by Israel. It makes you wonder. Democrats elected to get out of Iraq, they get elected, watch, they will not get out. It will be expanded.

[mcqueen625]

There is a lot of rumour about the existence of a "Jewish Conspiracy" especially in more conservative circles.

And I think I have arrived at a reasonable conclusion-----------a "Jewish Conspiracy" does NOT exist!! Rather

whatt really exist is a global conglomerate of bankers, industrialists, labour union leaders, politicians and other secretive types that are striving for TOTAL GLOBAL control!! They consist of Episcopilians, Methodists, Baptists, Roman Catholics, Jews, Atheists, Satanists, Pagans and others. These people control governments, cause depressions, and start wars. Can anyone tell me what role these people have with the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan?

It exists only in the minds of the anti-Semites, who want somebody to balme for their lots in life. A better plan would be for these people to take responsibility for their own shortcomings instead of attempting to blame others for everything that has gone wrong in their lives.

[ft.niagara]

It exists only in the minds of the anti-Semites, who want somebody to balme for their lots in life. A better plan would be for these people to take responsibility for their own shortcomings instead of attempting to blame others for everything that has gone wrong in their lives.

It is more complicated than that. Antisemitism is different from an observation that perhaps there is Jewish control over issues close to the heart of Jewish people. No, there is probably not a concious conspiracy, but there probably is an unconcious one. The Jewish people are incredibly wealthy as a group. They are not only wealthy, they control businesses. Some of those businesses influence thought and arguement. The media business is one of them. It is not logical to believe that the slant of media arguement might be influenced by ethnic background? In a controled society, they call it censorship. In a free society they call it capitalism, or who has the most money and power.

[Rue]

http://imusblog.com/imus-cbs-jewish-manage...he-handicapped/

Imus is Jewish, I believe.

O.k. a couple of things. Firstly thanks for sharing the news that among other things the Jews controlling CBS hate handicapped people. Now me, clearly in communicating with you show at least one infidel Zionist is trying to dialogue with the handicapped and show my deep sensitivity and caring.

Secondly Imus is Jewiosh?. Uh hello. Some of the most ardent anti-Zionists and anti-Israelis are "Jews" just like not all Palestinians are anti-Israeli and some Muslims such as Salim Mansurwrite articles in support of Israel. Your point? I suppose you feel it is important you label people and then make assumptions from the labels it immediately makes them credible, i.e. if a Jew says something anti-Israeli it automatically is true..er wait...they could be simply manipulating you into thinking that is what they think..they are after Jews...and you know how Jews conspire. To trust a Jew or not? That be the question. If a Jew says what we agree with, then quote him, otherwise, label him a Zionist conspirator and dismiss him. Yah. Been there. Done that.

Now Niagra would you find it appropo tI have assumed you are handicapped iven the calibre of your responses and have assum,ed you are intellectually delayed? Tsssk. Heaven forbid we should make such generalizations.

Now on a more serious note. I am just overwhelmed with joy that you feel empowered by James Earl Carter Jr.

Politics makes such strange bed-fellows.

I actually have read his book. A lot of us Jews especially those of us conspiring to take over the world read.

What I find interesting is he sure has put a hole in Lyndon Larouche's theories. I mean Mr. Carter was supposed to be involved in a conspiracy with the Rockefellers and the homo-sexual Kissinger (Laourche says he is a homo-sexual) and Zionists to take over the world, now he's gone and written an anti-Israel book. Tssk Tssk. He probably wrote his anti-Israel book as a cover to make you think he is anti-Zionist, careful it could be a plot.

Here is the point and I will try use small non Jewish, non Zionist words.....

His book is merely an opinion piece. It has no data.He has given subjective opinion statements that the Oslo accord favoured Israel but offers no reason. What is also strange is that anyone who read the Oslo accord, sees it gave the PLO 96% of what they asked for. So why he is challenging Oslo at this time? Gosh do you think he is upset with Bill Clinton for rejecting his advise over Oslo? Could it possibly be his nose is out of joint that Clinton did not use him and ignored his advise and arrived at Oslo without him?

That said he essay completely ignored all the events of the Palestinian conflict except one, the decision of the Israeli government to allow settlers on the West Bank. He stated the settlers on the West Bank are the SOLE reason there is a conflict. Oh. OOOOHHHHH. Gosh. And for a second I thought there were some other factors.

Hello Niagra you still there. Have I lost you? Follow me. Assuming the obvious, that the settlements on the West Bank are an obstacle in any over-all peace plan and made matters worse and fueled tension- why the selectivity and decision to choose to ignore every other factor and in particular the decision by Hamas, Hezbollah and many other factions to believe that violence is legitimate and the destruction of Israel and the removal of the Israeli state is a reasonable vision to pursue through violence?

Why the silence on everything but the West Bank settlements?. Kind of like analyzing what's wrong with the Toronto Maple Leafs and making no comment they have no scoring power. .... its incomplete and ridiculously so.

He is quick to state he feels putting up walls is an obstacle to peace, but completely silent on how he would prevent terrorists from attacking Israel. Why? Why the selectivity?

He says there need to be two states (awful Christian of him) and says terrorism is bad, but he makes zero comment on how Israel shouldto defend itself against terrorists. Why?

He uses words like apartheid to describe Israel's decision to want its own country but makes no comment of dhimmitude or the segregation within Muslim society between its many sects of Muslims and between Muslims and Christians let alone Muslims and Jews. Why? He makes no mention of the intolerance and apartheid within Muslim society when discussing the over-all conflict. Why?

Carter was silent on Palestinian society's continuing rejection of Israel as a state and the wide spread anti-semitism and links to holocaust denial many of its politicians and all its terrorist organizations and many of its civilians engage in. Why?

He also ignored and makes no mention of the peace offers and withdrawals Israel did make. Why?

Why did he remain completely silent on former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak's peace initiatives at Camp David in 2000? why?

Why did he remain silent and not comment on Bill Clinton's statements that Arafat lied and ripped up an agreement Clinton and Barak and he agreed to? Why?

Why is it Clinton claims Israel offered Arafat 96% of what he wanted only at the last second to see Arafat rip it up, and yet Jimmy who was not there, when analyzing Oslo says it is one sided in favour of Israel?

Why did he ignore Prime Minister Ariel Sharon'ss disengagement from Gaza in 2005 and current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's campaign pledge to withdraw from the West Bank? Why no reference to these two developments?

Why when he did discuss examples of conflicts that cause Palestinians great problems, did he omit any mention of how these conflicts evolved othger then to opine a vague subjective comment that it was caused by Israel but no other explanation?

Why did Carter not discuss co-relation of Palestinian terrorism to the conflict?.

Why did he ignore the economic problems brought on Palestinians not by Israel but the PLO and its wide spread coruption?

Why did Carter ignore Marabark of Egypt, Hussein of Jordan, the UN, The European Union, The Kings of Spain and Norway, and yes even the Saudis who all supported Oslo?

So Niagra. Your buddy Jimmy Carter certainly made a comment that there is Jewish control of American policy, but of course he provided no data to explain how he arrived at this conclusion. Yes Jimmy said and I quote;

"There are constant and vehement political and media debates in Israel concerning its policies in the West Bank but because of powerful political, economic, and religious forces in the U.S., Israeli government decisions are rarely questioned or condemned, voices from Jerusalem dominate our media, and most American citizens are unaware of circumstances in the occupied territories."

Yah think? Yes all Americans are idiots. They haven't a clue, and those Israelis just control the congress and capitol hill.

O.k. Niagra. Let's just suppose you can actually spell Niagra Falls and know that there are two of them one in New York and one in Canada. O.k. if you can do that then surely you can also ask yourself, how is it Jimmy Carter made no mention of the military-industrial complex's role in the Middle East and how thousands upon thousands of US industries tied to the military-industrial complex have direct vested financial interest in what goes on not just in the Middle East but every other conflict zone of the world?

How is it he ignored any mention of the Chinese foreign policy lobby which in fact when he was in power has now been shown was able to become a major contributor to the Democratic party and was able to influence his decision to open up US markets to Chinese one sided predatory pricing collapsing many US companies that could not afford to compete with the cheaper Chinese labour? Why no mention of how the Chinese foreign policy impacts on the Middle East since China must get all its oil from Iran and can not get its oil from Saudi Arabia or the UAE and so necessarily must side with a regime that finances Hamas and Hezbollah?

Why is it Jimmy made no mention of the role of the oil industry lobby and there role in the Middle East and in particular foreign policy relations with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE and Iraq or the US alliance with Egypt? Why?

Why did he ignore the role of the Russians, Turkey, Germany, France, OPEC, the European Union, Nato, and the UN, as well when examining what influences US foreign policy in the Middle East? Why?

Jimmy Carter knows that when it comes to world politics, the military-industrial complexes of not just the US but Britain, France, China, and Russia and then other military manufacturers like Belgium, Germany, former East European countries and North Korea and Japan have all had crucial roles in the Middle East not to mention the oil industry and the need for pipelines to be built.

Jimmy completely ignored the role and influence of the petro-chemical industry and the US's need to secure moderate allies to be able to place safe pipe-lines to get natural gas and oil. Why?

How could Jimmy also completely ignore the fall-out from 9-11, the war in Afghanistan, developments in Pakistan and the fundamentalists threatening to topple Jordan, Syria and Egypt when discussing the Palestinian conflict? Why?

Do you think anyone will take Jimmy seriously when he has completely ignored all of that and tries to poryry it as simply Israel controlling Us foreign policy?

Jimmy has done what many have done. He has expressed his subjective feelings but he has done himself a great diservice. This is a man who prided himself in being a moderate, a mediator, a man who did not choose to take sides in conflicts-but in this case, he has chosen not only to take one side, but not explain why.

Had he taken time to research his opinions and provide a basis for his opinions I might take it more seriously.

Now read my lips. Yes Israel did not help matters allowing settlers on to the West Bank. It fueled the conflict. Btu for Jimmy to say Israel simply wants to expand and that is what the problem is-is embarassing. Its embarassing because to make such a comment you have to completely suspend Israeli foreign policy statements, and the actions of Sharon and the IDF and the continuing statements of its leaders who say that if terrorists can be prevented from attacking Israel proper, they are gone-they are out of Gaza and the West Bank and have no interest in going anywhere else.

See Niagra, I am the first to say, Israel has made some serious errors, and not simply say it is perfect just as I say the fact that there is wide spread anti-semitism and terrorists dedicated to destroying Israel getting elected to lead the Palestinian government-does not mean all Palestinians are terrorists.

Both sides have serious obstacles and hatred and fear that needs to be addressed but excuse me if I spit snot at anyone who does the Israel bad, Palestine good speech. Its boring. Its simplistic. Its the manifestation of lazy minds that won't challenge themselves to understand in any conflict there is a mosaic of complex inter-relationships at play.

Now hurry and hide before I find your children and make matzoh out of them.

[Higgly]

Then he uses words like apartheid to describe Israel's decision to want its own country but makes no comment of dhimmitude or the segregation within Muslim society between its many sects and between Muslims and Christians let alone Muslims and Jews. He makes no mention of the intolerance and apartheid within Muslim society when discussing the over-all conflict.

I am jumping in here because I haven't read this whole thread, but...

O jeez. Here we go with the dhimmi laws again. Rue, these laws have not been enforced in the Arab world since the early 1800s. What is with you and this thing?

Carter completely ignored and remained silent on the Palestinian political mainstream's continuing rejection of Israel as a state and the wide spread anti-semitism and links to holocaust denial it engages in when engaging in its denial of the Israeli state.

When was the last time an Israelite recognized the Naqba? Most of them, including you, Rue, deny it. How do you think this makes the Palestinians feel? As far as not recognizing Israel, George Marshall (author of the Marshall plan) told Truman that he disagreed with the recognition of Israel as a nation. Whatever he may have thought, it is still there, and the guy won the Nobel Peace prize.

He also ignored and makes no mention of the peace offers and withdrawals Israel did make. No mention of them. Why did he remain completely silent on former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s initiatives at Camp David in 2000. How is it Bill Clinton has stated that Arafat lied and ripped up an agreement Clinton and Barak and he agreed to? Why is it Clinto claims Israel offered Arafat 96% of what he wanted only at the last second to see Arafat rip it up, and yet Jimmy who was not there, when analyzing Oslo makes no mention of this?

The Clinton Camp David proposals were a joke. If Arafat had accepted this shabby deal he would have been assassinated, and rightly so. This has been referred to as the Swiss Cheese proposal because it would have left the Palestinians with a lot of little islands in an Israeli sea. Only an idiot would have agreed to this piece of garbage.

Why did he ignore Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s disengagement from Gaza in 2005 and current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's campaign pledge to withdraw from the West Bank?

Yeah Sharon was a real peace-maker. He gave up Gaza because it cost more to police it than he could afford. You are talking as though Israel had the unlimited resources it was taking to keep a lid on Gaza. They simply could not afford it. Compare the size of the Gaza IDF forces and the settler population. It was a no brainer, even for Sharon.

I prefer when it comes to Oslo to read what Mabarak of Egypt, Clinton of the U.S. and Netanyanu, Peres, Barak and Rabin of Israel and Hussein of Jordan had to say, as well as look at the actual words Arafat was quoted as stating immediating before he walked away at the last second.

If you are agreeig with Netenyahoo, you are deeply disillusioned. What Arafat had to say is irrelevant. The deal on the table just plain stunk. Your citing of Rabin and Netenyahoo in the same breath is really quite remarkable, since it was Netenyahoo's constant provocation that lead to Rabin's assassination. Rabin's wife refused to shake Netenyahoo's hand when he came to offer his condolences. Her control was remarkable. She should have spit in his face.

Finally. Yes Jimmy Carter makes a comment that there is Jewish control of American policy, the problem is

he doesn't give any explanation why.

Hello? Can you say Goldman Sachs? Can you say MGM? Can you say Dershowitz? Can you say Wolfowitz, can you say Perle....

"There are constant and vehement political and media debates in Israel concerning its policies in the West Bank but because of powerful political, economic, and religious forces in the U.S., Israeli government decisions are rarely questioned or condemned, voices from Jerusalem dominate our media, and most American citizens are unaware of circumstances in the occupied territories."

The problem is not Israelis. The problem is the Israeli government which has constantly been co-opted by the religious right, the IDF, yahoos like Neytenyahoo, and the american Jewish right which continues to be the major core of support for the country of Israel.

Yep. Where have I heard that before? Americans are all retards controlled by the Israelis. There is no one else on Capital Hill lobbying, just Israelis. No never mind the military-industrial complex...

Are you kidding? Who do you think is selling the IDF their weapons? They blew it when they made the movie 'Top Gun'. They should have named the Cruise character Moishe.

[Higgly]

And finally...

Why is this thread in Canada/US relations? What the hell does this have to do with Canada/US relations?

[Rue]

And finally...

Why is this thread in Canada/US relations? What the hell does this have to do with Canada/US relations?

Oh Higgly. Do be a dear and read up on the Middle East today. Dhimmitude continues. Sorry to burst your bubble.

As for why is a Jewish conspiracy in Canada US relations? You tell me. I believe the thesis is Jews control Canada and the US.

I personally think this line of posts should go to another forum. The one with the white supremicists or perhaps Lydon Larouche's web site or the KKK's or the President of Iran's. He has a lovely web site.

And I wouldn't visit New York this Christmas Higgly. I have put the word out. They are waiting for you.

[Higgly]

Here's the original post, Rue...

There is a lot of rumour about the existence of a "Jewish Conspiracy" especially in more conservative circles.

And I think I have arrived at a reasonable conclusion-----------a "Jewish Conspiracy" does NOT exist!! Rather

whatt really exist is a global conglomerate of bankers, industrialists, labour union leaders, politicians and other secretive types that are striving for TOTAL GLOBAL control!! They consist of Episcopilians, Methodists, Baptists, Roman Catholics, Jews, Atheists, Satanists, Pagans and others. These people control governments, cause depressions, and start wars. Can anyone tell me what role these people have with the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan?

Sounds like "The Rest of the World" to me....

And I wouldn't visit New York this Christmas Higgly. I have put the word out. They are waiting for you.

Oh yeah. What are they gonna do Rue? Launch missiles at me from helicopters? Cheat me out of my cab fare? Ship me to Syria? But thanks for the stalker warning, Rue. A new light on your mentality to be sure, and an interesting angle on the methods of the Israelite community in general.

By the way Rue, I am treating this as a threat, and I have reported it as such.

[ft.niagara]

Both sides have serious obstacles and hatred and fear that needs to be addressed but excuse me if I spit snot at anyone who does the Israel bad, Palestine good speech. Its boring. Its simplistic. Its the manifestation of lazy minds that won't challenge themselves to understand in any conflict there is a mosaic of complex inter-relationships at play.

Now hurry and hide before I find your children and make matzoh out of them.

You have brought up many interesting issues. You are obviously passionate about Israel. I am not so passionate, and my concern about Israel is Israel=US and US=Israel to most of the world. Canada gets a pass. Germany gets a pass, and on and on. For that reason, I agree with Carter that there should be debate, just as you have done, debate him (Carter). I see nothing on TV about why this or how did that happen. Perhaps Al Jazerra should be broadcast into the US. Perhaps there would be a fuller debate of the how and why of the conflict.

I do not like Carter, thought he was a bad President, and only agree with him on this issue that there should be debate. Further, there should be debate as to where is the rest of the world when it comes to this IS/PA problem. Truth is, I am concerned that there will never be peace over there, and the problem keeps getting worse year after year. Even if it is not the cause of xyz problem, it is used as the excuse for the cause., and again the "=" sign. In addition, I do not see Israel as strategicly or economically important to the US, Because I am a US citizen I believe I have a stake in what happens over there because of the '=' factor. Finally, cut and run has got to be an option sometime in the future, or/and let Europe guarantee Israeli security. Some think France gave them the atomic bomb, perhaps they will have to use it to make a point. I am all for the US stop acting as a policeman. There is no real benefit to it, only pain, expense, and death.

[Rue]

And I wouldn't visit New York this Christmas Higgly. I have put the word out. They are waiting for you.

Oh yeah. What are they gonna do Rue? Launch missiles at me from helicopters? Cheat me out of my cab fare? Ship me to Syria? But thanks for the stalker warning, Rue. A new light on your mentality to be sure, and an interesting angle on the methods of the Israelite community in general.

By the way Rue, I am treating this as a threat, and I have reported it as such.

Interesting how you respond to obvioys tonque in cheek with racist slurs. Love it.

[Rue]

Both sides have serious obstacles and hatred and fear that needs to be addressed but excuse me if I spit snot at anyone who does the Israel bad, Palestine good speech. Its boring. Its simplistic. Its the manifestation of lazy minds that won't challenge themselves to understand in any conflict there is a mosaic of complex inter-relationships at play.

Now hurry and hide before I find your children and make matzoh out of them.

You have brought up many interesting issues. You are obviously passionate about Israel. I am not so passionate, and my concern about Israel is Israel=US and US=Israel to most of the world. Canada gets a pass. Germany gets a pass, and on and on. For that reason, I agree with Carter that there should be debate, just as you have done, debate him (Carter). I see nothing on TV about why this or how did that happen. Perhaps Al Jazerra should be broadcast into the US. Perhaps there would be a fuller debate of the how and why of the conflict.

I do not like Carter, thought he was a bad President, and only agree with him on this issue that there should be debate. Further, there should be debate as to where is the rest of the world when it comes to this IS/PA problem. Truth is, I am concerned that there will never be peace over there, and the problem keeps getting worse year after year. Even if it is not the cause of xyz problem, it is used as the excuse for the cause., and again the "=" sign. In addition, I do not see Israel as strategicly or economically important to the US, Because I am a US citizen I believe I have a stake in what happens over there because of the '=' factor. Finally, cut and run has got to be an option sometime in the future, or/and let Europe guarantee Israeli security. Some think France gave them the atomic bomb, perhaps they will have to use it to make a point. I am all for the US stop acting as a policeman. There is no real benefit to it, only pain, expense, and death.

The above comments I appreciate. At least I can see genuine opinions now that I may not agree with but certainly respect.

Now that you are American I would say this. I do not doubt for a second what is fueling the US-Israel foreign policy relationship is the military-industrial complex. I of course am open and honest about my passion for Israel but no in a million years I never saw Israel becoming basically a giantic lab that tests the latest US military technology which in turn can then be sold to other countries.

The so called special relationship Israel has, is in fact a military development relationship where it can be used to test billions of dollars worth of technology. So when people say it simply benefits Israel and is because Israel controls the US to me that is racist b.s. I look at it and say what I say about all conflicts, a military industrial complex making money off of selling weapons is ultimately what is benefitting.

Yes Israel gets military equipment but the real benefactors are the US military manufacturers. It is a tax sheltered trading system that enables them to develop technology without it being taxed-pure and simple.

As well if people stopped and looked at Israel's debt to the US, they would realize the only portion of it forgiven was for specific military equipment purchases that directly benefitted the manufacturers.

That said, without the U.S. Israel does not exist and never could have existed. It is that simple. The U.S. has been Israel's one true ally despite their numerous foreign relations disputes.

I happen to think aside from the military industrial relationship complex, not withstanding that and not withstanding the simplistic ignorant people of the world who like to stereotype Jews because they have a predisposition to hate them, that America supported Israel because it believes in democracy and it genuinely wanted to help.

Some people can not stand the idea that anyone could actually be supportive or admire Israel, or Jews for that matter.

When I read these posts with the conspiracy theories and Jews of New York, etc., I don't see discussions on anything but racist stereotypes, racist generalizations based on negative assumptions.

From some of the posters on this forum it does not suprise me. When I read it from a former President who made a post career out of being a mediator I am shocked.

I personally think the Carter book is an attack on Bill Clinton's Middle East record and that suprises me because Clinton's approach to the Middle East was the same as Reagan's. The real difference is with the Bush's who make no secret of their loyalty to the Saudi Royal family and the oil industry and of course Bush's current relationship with a certain group of evangelists who truly believe there must be a world war for Jesus to return.

In any event this line of posts has been fun. I can not believe some of the responses.