Here Is The 14 Point Proposal

[theWatcher]

Harper's 14-points to unite the right.

New party will be known as the "Conservative Party."

Conservative Party will assume rights, assets and liabilities of the Alliance and Tories.

Harper and MacKay must achieve support of their parties by Oct. 10 "through whatever mechanism necessary."

CA and PC will name 11 members to an interim governing body, consisting of equal representation from each province.

The interim governing body will be responsible for Elections Canada filings, drafting a constitution by Dec. 31, establishing riding associations and overseeing nominations.

The party will establish a trust capable of raising money and retiring PC Party debt.

CA and PC caucuses of both houses will become the Conservative Party caucuses.

Caucus will elect an interim leader immediately and draft a statement of principles by Dec. 31.

The interim leader will be the leader of the Opposition, but may not be a candidate in the leadership race.

CA and PC will name two individuals to a leadership election organizing committee.

Leadership vote will be conducted by mail-in ballot on the basis of one-member, one-vote. Membership cut-off will be Nov. 17.

The founding convention of the Conservative Party will be held in Ottawa Feb. 19-21.

The convention will amend and adopt a constitution and a statement of principles and policies.

Where possible, the selection of CA and PC candidates will be grandfathered to the Conservative Party, and further CA and PC nominations meetings shall immediately cease.

[Craig Read]

CPAC and the Tories are blaming the 14 point proposal for scuttling the talks. How farcical.

Original deadline for the 'emissaries' was labor day. When that failed Harper used the 14 points to reopen discussions.

These talks failed due to MacKay's lack of leadership.

Just another empty head and empty suit.

[sir_springer]

Just heard Mike Duffy on this...

Harper got a commitment from MacKay back on June 26 to get on with this, after which he went back and told all his MPs and whoever else is involved that this was priority one for the summer because he wanted it done by Labour Day.

Here it is Sept. 29, and the PCs haven't even put a proposal of any kind on the table yet.

No wonder Harper is pissed off! One thing about Harper, he don't screw around. Or, as it was said about him early on in the CA leadership race, he does not suffer fools lightly.

He's dealing with fricking idiots that couldn't make up their minds if their pants were on fire.

Liberal, Tory, same old story. What a waste of space and skin those people are!

And MacKay wants to be Prime Minister???

He couldn't lead a duck to water, much less make it swim.

:angry:

Get on with it Stephen, and let these bozos stew in their own demise. Who needs 'em!

[Pellaken]

your right, the PC's are stupid... stupid for accepting what they did.

here are the problems:

Caucus will elect an interim leader immediately and draft a statement of principles by Dec. 31.

The interim leader will be the leader of the Opposition, but may not be a candidate in the leadership race.

Leadership vote will be conducted by mail-in ballot on the basis of one-member, one-vote. Membership cut-off will be Nov. 17.

The convention will amend and adopt a constitution and a statement of principles and policies.

frist of all, interm leader

this is, in short, how it should read:

Mr.MacKay will agree not to run for the leader of the new party, and on return, will get to be leader of the oppo for a month or so

on the leaderhip vote, and convention:

a convention will be called which guarentee's equalish representaiton of the parties. the CA has more members, and would probably make up 66% of the new party, the convention shoudl therefore only have 60% or even 55% alliance members, to even things out.

it should be this convention, using a system somewhat similar to the liberals system, that elects the new leader.

[Pellaken]

here is how the leadership race should work, IMHO.

we can use OMOV, but only if we do it this way:

first off, the ballot should look like so:

1st choice for leader________

2nd choice for leader________

3rd choice for leader________

etc...

After the votes have been counted, you will find that no one has 50%+1. therefore, you must drop the last place candidate, and vote again... or do you? no! since you ALREADY voted for who you wanted 2nd, if your candidate, in the #1 slot is dropped, your ballot is just re-counted!

we do this untill someone wins by 50%+1

now here's the difficult part

not only must they win by 50%+1 of the new party, but they must take at least 40, or perhaps 45% of EACH of the old party's membership votes. if the leading contender has not done so, then he is dropped, and the process starts again from the first count. Eventually, you'll find someone acceptable to both sides.

then, the floor is asked to "approve" the new leader

if 50%+1 of them vote yes, then the new leader is installed.

if 50%+1 vote no

then your skrewed, and we will have one party rule forever, and ever, and ever....

waddya think?

edit-

I think I'm hitting on a good idea, but I'm missing a few points. please dont throw my idea out, tinker with it.

also

there should be a provision that this leader will lead the party through 2 electons before resigning. if he resigns before that, then the same process is repeated to pick a new leader, untill you have someone that leads the party either through 2 elections, or for 8 years or something like that. This makes sure the alliance dosent pick some token tory as leader using this process, then throw's him out the door the next day.