The Growing Iraqi Refugee Crisis

[M.Dancer]

The number of Iraqis claiming asylum in the West is growing, says the UNHCR.

The agency also says the number of internally displaced is growing, with some 365,000 Iraqis uprooted this year.

"The estimate now is something around 50,000 people per month are joining the growing numbers of internally displaced inside Iraq," Mr Redmond said.

Statistics from the first half of this year show that Iraqis were the biggest single national group claiming asylum in Europe, while the number claiming asylum in industrialised countries had risen by 50% compared to the same period last year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6049174.stm

I guess all that liberty they have is scaring them away......on a side note....which environment would be more condusive to recruiting insurgents/terrorists?

1) Refugee camps

2) Bahgdad

[Higgly]

Good point. We told him, 'Georgie don't go!'

Or rather might I dare say, our Liberal government told him....

[M.Dancer]

Good point. We told him, 'Georgie don't go!'

Or rather might I dare say, our Liberal government told him....

Well, I told our liberal government not to go......

[B. Max]

I guess all that liberty they have is scaring them away......on a side note....which environment would be more condusive to recruiting insurgents/terrorists?

No it's the so called no existent terrorists in the non existent war on terrorism that the left keeps telling us about. Fortunately right thinking people know better.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52197

[M.Dancer]

No it's the so called no existent terrorists in the non existent war on terrorism that the left keeps telling us about. Fortunately right thinking people know better.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52197

I'm confused....First you say right thinking people know better, then you post world nut daily?

The funny part is, the writer seems to think that by turning Iraq into an incubator for terrorism, it makes Iraq the central front in the war on terror....

....talk about your self fulfilling prophesies......turning Iraq into an incubator for peace and security would have defied common sense?

[Riverwind]

The funny part is, the writer seems to think that by turning Iraq into an incubator for terrorism, it makes Iraq the central front in the war on terror....

Haven't you noticed that is the new talking point for the war mongers: Iraq is a disaster because we planned it that way to keep the terrorists busy outside of the US. Of course, the war mongers like to conveniently forget the home grown terrorist problem created by the invasion of Iraq in the first place but that is obviously Clinton's fault....

[geoffrey]

Good point. We told him, 'Georgie don't go!'

Or rather might I dare say, our Liberal government told him....

Who were told not to go by Martin's buddy's and Chretien's son-in-law over at Power Corp., who were tied up in receiving cash from Saddam (all part of robbing the UN's humanitarian assistance blind). Why cut off the millions in income from the oil for food scandal?

There is even a cheque for a million bucks from Saddam to Maurice Strong (here).

If you think the Liberals opposed Iraq because of some high and mighty principle your dead wrong. They opposed it because they have a lot of money coming from Saddam. Having such close liberal friends receiving payments from foreign dictators then making large donations to the party should be treason.

Your 20/20 hindsight is very refreshing.

[M.Dancer]

There is even a cheque for a million bucks from Saddam to Maurice Strong (here).

Disemble much? A cheque written from a New York bank that doesn't even have Saddam's signature....ah never mind...I realize how precious those tinfoil hat theories are......especially when confronted by the growing crisis created by their own incompetance and greed.

Today is the 17th

The have been over 950 documented murders in Iraq this month.

[geoffrey]

There is even a cheque for a million bucks from Saddam to Maurice Strong (here).

Disemble much? A cheque written from a New York bank that doesn't even have Saddam's signature....ah never mind...I realize how precious those tinfoil hat theories are......especially when confronted by the growing crisis created by their own incompetance and greed.

Today is the 17th

The have been over 950 documented murders in Iraq this month.

Besides that longtime friends of the liberals have been clearly identified as suspicous persons involved with the funding of Saddam's terror by sidestepping the oil for food program and violating the rules for person benefit. It's very typical of Canadian libearls. Pretend to be high and mighty humanitarians, then take a chunk of the programs funding behind everyone's back. Sponsorship or oil for food I don't see much difference in the attitude of the liberals in this country. The fact that they defend it still is even more striking.

How many cheques does Harper or previous Martin sign himself? Hmmm... none. Read up on the issue, you'd be suprised how detailed the financial chain from Saddam to the Liberal party is. Mr. Strong and his Power Corp. friends have a long history that puts the Rumsfield handshake photo to shame.

That's tradgic that there is that many murders of innocent people, I wonder when you'll start supporting the troops and Iraqi police that are in place, desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists.

Don't blame the police for the crime, blame those that are the criminals.

[M.Dancer]

If the police are incompetent...if the police let open the jails........

[M.Dancer]

That's tradgic that there is that many murders of innocent people, I wonder when you'll start supporting the troops and Iraqi police that are in place, desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists.

Would you be so kind to replace this strawman from your arse whence it came?

Thanks ever so much

[geoffrey]

That's tradgic that there is that many murders of innocent people, I wonder when you'll start supporting the troops and Iraqi police that are in place, desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists.

Would you be so kind to replace this strawman from your arse whence it came?

Thanks ever so much

It's not a strawman. Calling for withdrawl to stop the violence is indicating that they are responsible for the violence. That's not true. You couldn't be more disrespectful and misguided to suggest that withdrawl will bring peace.

That murder number would skyrocket the day the US pulled out.

[Black Dog]

That's tradgic that there is that many murders of innocent people, I wonder when you'll start supporting the troops and Iraqi police that are in place, desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists.

Wow, no wonder their overstretched. Between "desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists" and roaming the country as death squads, they've got a full plate.

Read up on the issue, you'd be suprised how detailed the financial chain from Saddam to the Liberal party is. Mr. Strong and his Power Corp. friends have a long history that puts the Rumsfield handshake photo to shame.

It's interesting that no mainstream media outlet has touched such a hot issue. Not even those from the right side of the spectrum. It's a hot topic on internet discussion forums, but then so is "the Jews were behind 9-11"....

[geoffrey]

That's tradgic that there is that many murders of innocent people, I wonder when you'll start supporting the troops and Iraqi police that are in place, desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists.

Wow, no wonder their overstretched. Between "desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists" and roaming the country as death squads, they've got a full plate.

Care to elaborate, or is this along the lines of some opinion like the NDP delegates from BC... "our troops are acting like terrorists"?

I haven't heard of any Americans (besides the ones serving life sentences for their crimes) that are roaming around, killing children and other innocents at random to prove a point.

Read up on the issue, you'd be suprised how detailed the financial chain from Saddam to the Liberal party is. Mr. Strong and his Power Corp. friends have a long history that puts the Rumsfield handshake photo to shame.

It's interesting that no mainstream media outlet has touched such a hot issue. Not even those from the right side of the spectrum. It's a hot topic on internet discussion forums, but then so is "the Jews were behind 9-11"....

When Maurice Strong has a major interest in many Canadian publications, I wouldn't be so suprised. I wouldn't call my boss a funder of an oppressive regime, would you?

[Biblio Bibuli]

It's a hot topic on internet discussion forums....

For over two weeks now, the hottest topic on this discussion forum was "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO BLACK DOG?"

Nice to see you're back!

[Black Dog]

Care to elaborate, or is this along the lines of some opinion like the NDP delegates from BC... "our troops are acting like terrorists"?

I haven't heard of any Americans (besides the ones serving life sentences for their crimes) that are roaming around, killing children and other innocents at random to prove a point.

I was specifically zeroing in on the "Iraqi police" part of your quote, the infiltration of which by sectarian elements is well-documented.

When Maurice Strong has a major interest in many Canadian publications, I wouldn't be so suprised. I wouldn't call my boss a funder of an oppressive regime, would you?

Not really making this look like less of a conspiracy deal, dude. Anyway, there's some 2,000 companies that took kick backs under oil for food, and the money from that was a pittance compared to the dough made by companies involved in oil smuggling under the watchful eye of the Clinton and Bush administrations.

[geoffrey]

I was specifically zeroing in on the "Iraqi police" part of your quote, the infiltration of which by sectarian elements is well-documented.

Agreed, definitely something that needs to be dealt with. This is all, however, outside the rule of law that the US and legitimate Iraqi police are trying to establish to protect innocent Iraqis.

Not really making this look like less of a conspiracy deal, dude. Anyway, there's some 2,000 companies that took kick backs under oil for food, and the money from that was a pittance compared to the dough made by companies involved in oil smuggling under the watchful eye of the Clinton and Bush administrations.

True. We'll leave it as a conspircy theory until someone digs up something more definitive.

[Black Dog]

Agreed, definitely something that needs to be dealt with. This is all, however, outside the rule of law that the US and legitimate Iraqi police are trying to establish to protect innocent Iraqis.

But they don't seem to be having much of an effect. The reasons for that go back to the invasion and its imediate aftermath. Which brings me to this:

That murder number would skyrocket the day the US pulled out.

What are they doing now to keep things together?

[jdobbin]

That murder number would skyrocket the day the US pulled out.

It is skyrocketing anyway. The U.S. has run out of ideas. James Baker has been called in and even he says things are a mess.

It is civil war.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15300668/

[geoffrey]

That murder number would skyrocket the day the US pulled out.

It is skyrocketing anyway. The U.S. has run out of ideas. James Baker has been called in and even he says things are a mess.

It is civil war.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15300668/

And first thing to do when a civil war breaks out is let them fight until everyone is dead right? It's bad, but it'll get a whole lot worse with the departure of the only police in town.

[Riverwind]

And first thing to do when a civil war breaks out is let them fight until everyone is dead right? It's bad, but it'll get a whole lot worse with the departure of the only police in town.

I disagree. The US troops are not providing any protection in many parts of the country - that job has been taken over by various militia groups. As long as the foreign troops they are targets for militias trying to build their 'street cred' by killing infidels.

[M.Dancer]

That's tradgic that there is that many murders of innocent people, I wonder when you'll start supporting the troops and Iraqi police that are in place, desperately struggling to return civility to a nation overtaken by muslim extremist terrorists.

Would you be so kind to replace this strawman from your arse whence it came?

Thanks ever so much

It's not a strawman. Calling for withdrawl to stop the violence is indicating that they are responsible for the violence. That's not true. You couldn't be more disrespectful and misguided to suggest that withdrawl will bring peace.

That murder number would skyrocket the day the US pulled out.

Calling for withdrawl to stop the violence is indicating that they are responsible for the violence.

Wow, your arse must be huge....how many strawmen do you keep in there....... Did I call for withdrawel? Sorry chump, read what I wrote, not what the your meds tell you what I wrote, 'kay?

Now as to your other clunker....supporting the iraqi police......seems the iraqi police don't get much support......3000 have been fired in the last 2 months......for suspected involvement in the death squads.....

now what was it you muttered again........?

Don't blame the police for the crime, blame those that are the criminals[/size=7]

Thanks for the irony

[Black Dog]

And first thing to do when a civil war breaks out is let them fight until everyone is dead right? It's bad, but it'll get a whole lot worse with the departure of the only police in town.

I'll ask again: what are they doing now to keep things together?

[M.Dancer]

More on the growing crisis.......

The study, conducted with the University of Bern in Switzerland, took aim at the government's earlier report that 234,000 Iraqis have fled their homes since February, saying the figure is too low. "Many displaced persons do not register, and tracking numbers is highly politicized. Since 2003, more than 800,000 have fled Iraq seeking refuge abroad," the report said

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10...main/index.html

How do you convince people that there is a potential human disaster looming when 3,000 killed per month prompts responses about Saddam.......