Biblio Bibuli Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 For a man to make two comments so diametrically opposed as to the same incident shows he is insincere and just shooting off at the mouth without thinking first. I too think that a war crime was committed in this instance. But seeing as how the terrorists never give a shit whether they comply with the laws of war or not, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either. Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
myata Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 What he has shown is that he is an idiot and an embarassement and someone who has spent so many years lecturing people and not being questioned that he is not fit for public office. You know what? I was thinking this way and (in this particular instance) I have to agree with you. Hard as I tried, I just can't find any better explanation - he did sound like one, and a pompuos one at that, too. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Shakeyhands Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 Rae in the second ballot. Prime Minister Rae by the Next Election Will his campaign slogan be "Let me do for Canada What I Did for Ontario"? or "Choose Your Canada"? Sorry... what was it that Rae 'did' to Ontario? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Figleaf Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) [ Edited July 22, 2007 by Figleaf Quote
Guest Warwick Green Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 Rae in the second ballot. Prime Minister Rae by the Next Election Will his campaign slogan be "Let me do for Canada What I Did for Ontario"? or "Choose Your Canada"? Sorry... what was it that Rae 'did' to Ontario? He could offer federal public servants a day off each week without pay. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 Sorry... what was it that Rae 'did' to Ontario? He could offer federal public servants a day off each week without pay. Wouldn't Federal Rae Days be awesome? Rae ran a deficit of just under $10 Billion for a provincial government in 1991. Presided over the worst recession in Ontario since the Great Depression. Contributed to support for the NDP almost disappearing in Ontario. The NDP went from their most seats ever Federally in 1988 to *6% support* in Ontario in the 1993 Federal election. All that being said, I think he'll do better than expected in Ontario if he wins the leadership. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Guest Warwick Green Posted October 14, 2006 Report Posted October 14, 2006 Sorry... what was it that Rae 'did' to Ontario? He could offer federal public servants a day off each week without pay. Wouldn't Federal Rae Days be awesome? Rae ran a deficit of just under $10 Billion for a provincial government in 1991. Presided over the worst recession in Ontario since the Great Depression. Contributed to support for the NDP almost disappearing in Ontario. The NDP went from their most seats ever Federally in 1988 to *6% support* in Ontario in the 1993 Federal election. All that being said, I think he'll do better than expected in Ontario if he wins the leadership. If it's Rae vs Harper (as I suspect as Iggy self-destructs) the election will be as much a campaign on Rae's record as Harper's. Quote
Borg Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 Coast to coast Rae days. Good news for Canucks. Borg Quote
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 He is an embarassement. EVERYBODY is an embarassment compared to what George Jonas is suggesting in his article today in the NP. There he says: "As self-styled men of God, Hezbollah fighters ought to remember the Lord didn't say: Sow the wind and you'll reap a proportionate wind. He said: Sow the wind and and you'll reap the whirlwind." Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
jbg Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 He is an embarassement. EVERYBODY is an embarassment compared to what George Jonas is suggesting in his article today in the NP. There he says: "As self-styled men of God, Hezbollah fighters ought to remember the Lord didn't say: Sow the wind and you'll reap a proportionate wind. He said: Sow the wind and and you'll reap the whirlwind." You took it badly out of proportion. Jonas said (link): Mr. Ignatieff is likely to know that the war crime was perpetrated by those who set up rocket launchers in the Lebanese town, using private homes with families residing inside as human shields. That he would nevertheless lay the blame at Israel's door shows the moral bankruptcy of the centre-left in general, and Canada's Liberals in particular. It also shows that a lofty professor of international law can also accommodate a lowly opportunist of domestic politics in his soul.So what else is new? The issue of proportionality may be new. It's smuggled into the moral debate by terrorists and their left-lib apologists to escape the consequences of their misdeeds. First they fire mortars and Katyusha rockets at Israeli civilians, then plead proportionality -- a bizarre demand in any but a sporting contest. If taken literally, it would call for modern armies to scrap their missiles and smart bombs and fight with nothing except weapons and tactics available to the Taliban. As self-styled men of God, Hezbollah fighters ought to remember the Lord didn't say: Sow the wind and you'll reap a proportionate wind. He said: Sow the wind and you'll reap the whirlwind. This is hardly an embarassment. What Jonas was pointing out that Hezbollah was the ones drawing death towards their human shields, and then crying to the media about proportionality. Ignatieff bit on this huge, obvious hypocrisy. George Jonas is not the embarassment. Ignatieff is. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 George Jonas is not the embarassment. Who the heck said he was? The Bible's "They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind" is the best approach in any war where one side is far superior. It generally brings peace about very quickly and saves lives. Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
watching&waiting Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 BB I have to disagree that it brings about the peace quicker. That may have been the case in the wars long gone past, but todays wars are as much about media and politics as they are about fighting and deaths. As we saw this last summer the war with hexbola and Israel, ended in a cease fire and not a determining vitory of one over the other. Now both sides try to pose that they each won. Israel who was by far the unchellenged power in this, was made to look in the worlds view as a lobsided bully, because the media saw it more fit to pick up one the reactions to attacks then the attacks themselves. Hezbola then says they won because they managed to stand off the mighty Israeli army and not be forced into sunmissions. We all know that had Israel wnated to they could have easily over run all of Lebanon in a very short time. That is where Harper made his measured responce statement and was jumped upon for it quickly by the media. How dare he rain on their self made parade of big headline news with common sense. So yes he did then have his words twisted and bent, until they were forgotten. The media were the ones runnign this war and they were not about to let outside interests change the way they wanted it to run. As we can now see it was not over still yet as even though the fighting has stopped and the peace keepers are in place, the media will still use every thing they can find to keep this an active story. Hemce the words given by a party leadership hopeful that war crims were committed in Qana, by the Israeli army. Technically speaking any time a civillian is killed by the enemy, when it fires upon the opposing army is a war crime. But when put in contxt it really is nothing more then a minor offence unless you can prove this was being done on a wholesale basis. There is the rub. It is not what Ignatief said was wrong, it was just taken far out of its real context. That now has made for many more newspapers being sold and also extends the war even more so. The media will never agree to let this subject go until it has milked every last shred of news they can from it. That is where people like myself wonder if the rest of the population at large is really falling for what they read in the news. Too many times I have read about things that you know are being misused, but time and effort being in short supply I never comment on them. That is proably what has lead us to where we are now. We need to have more people question the news and the why and where it comes from. The best I can say for the newspapers of today they are mostly fiction based in a bit of truth. I really do not see real reporting or editorials. That to me is the real shame, as we are supposed to be learning how to do things better, not be stuck in a rut. Quote
Figleaf Posted October 15, 2006 Report Posted October 15, 2006 (edited) [ Edited July 22, 2007 by Figleaf Quote
jbg Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 That is where people like myself wonder if the rest of the population at large is really falling for what they read in the news. Too many times I have read about things that you know are being misused, but time and effort being in short supply I never comment on them. That is proably what has lead us to where we are now. We need to have more people question the news and the why and where it comes from. The best I can say for the newspapers of today they are mostly fiction based in a bit of truth. I really do not see real reporting or editorials. That to me is the real shame, as we are supposed to be learning how to do things better, not be stuck in a rut. I could not agree more. I have shifted my "first read" of the morning from the New York Times to the New York Sun (link), a paper whose content bears a much closer resemblence to the news. They frequently run front-page editorials, but not under the misleading caption of a news story. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 16, 2006 Report Posted October 16, 2006 That is where people like myself wonder if the rest of the population at large is really falling for what they read in the news. Too many times I have read about things that you know are being misused, but time and effort being in short supply I never comment on them. That is proably what has lead us to where we are now. We need to have more people question the news and the why and where it comes from. The best I can say for the newspapers of today they are mostly fiction based in a bit of truth. I really do not see real reporting or editorials. That to me is the real shame, as we are supposed to be learning how to do things better, not be stuck in a rut. I could not agree more. Oh yeah? What about this one? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....mp;#entry142518 I've got more. Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.