Are all societies equal?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Question:

What's wrong with multiculturalism? Well, the following quote from a good writer doesn't summarize, but it certainly touches on some key problems:

"Hating Jews, for example, is strictly verboten. Well, it's verboten if you're an elderly white male of German extraction, like Reni Sentana-Ries (formerly Reinhard Gustav Mueller) of Edmonton. Herr Sentana-Ries was sentenced to 16 months in jail by the Court of Queen's Bench for anti-Semitic screeds on his widely unread website in which he referred to Jews as "subhuman" "debauched" "demons."

On the other hand, if you're not an elderly white male of German extraction, if you're a large crowd of persons of, ahem, non-German extraction and you march through downtown Calgary with placards reading "DEATH TO THE JEWS," nobody prosecutes you. If you're the A-list imams at the Grand Mosque of Stockholm and you sell cassettes referring to Jews as "the brothers of pigs and apes" and urging believers to go out and kill them, Sweden's chancellor of justice, Goran Lambertz, says no problem, these are just the routine designations "used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict"--i.e., threatening to kill Jew pigs is just part of the vibrant multicultural tapestry. The president of Iran, like the hapless Herr Sentana-Ries, is also a Holocaust denier and one with rather more advanced plans for resuming implementation of the final solution. But he gets photo ops with the UN secretary-general and EU officials."

Why is it that tolerance has gotten to the point where we tolerate the intolerant? Are we so "multicultural" that we don' defend or believe that anything is worth fighting for?

[Liam]

Question:

What's wrong with multiculturalism? Well, the following quote from a good writer doesn't summarize, but it certainly touches on some key problems...

Why is it that tolerance has gotten to the point where we tolerate the intolerant? Are we so "multicultural" that we don' defend or believe that anything is worth fighting for?

I don't think it's all about the failings of multi-culturism. Frankly, I think multi-culturalism is a good thing. I have two grammar school aged kids and they know more about China, Hinduism and Central America than I did at their age. I think multi-culturalism teaches them to recognize the larger world around them (or would you rather have the US raise another generation of navel-gazing "U-S-A"-chanting yahoos?).

I think the problem you are pointing two has two elements (neither of which has to do with multi-culturalism):

1. Because of the Holocaust, there is a sensitivity about comments directed at and scapegoating of Jews by white people. That's just a fact of life we have to live with. This sensitivity, though, does not extend to quashing legitimate political discourse about Israel.

2. Since Israel and the Islamic world are locked in a perpetual political struggle, people often give a "pass" to critics of Israel if they are Muslims. I don't excuse hateful language (likening Jews to pigs and dogs) and think it is both unfair to Jews and hypocritical of the PC police to make excuses for hate speech just because it comes from someone with darker skin.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Question:

What's wrong with multiculturalism? Well, the following quote from a good writer doesn't summarize, but it certainly touches on some key problems...

Why is it that tolerance has gotten to the point where we tolerate the intolerant? Are we so "multicultural" that we don' defend or believe that anything is worth fighting for?

I don't think it's all about the failings of multi-culturism. Frankly, I think multi-culturalism is a good thing. I have two grammar school aged kids and they know more about China, Hinduism and Central America than I did at their age. I think multi-culturalism teaches them to recognize the larger world around them (or would you rather have the US raise another generation of navel-gazing "U-S-A"-chanting yahoos?).

I think the problem you are pointing two has two elements (neither of which has to do with multi-culturalism):

1. Because of the Holocaust, there is a sensitivity about comments directed at and scapegoating of Jews by white people. That's just a fact of life we have to live with. This sensitivity, though, does not extend to quashing legitimate political discourse about Israel.

2. Since Israel and the Islamic world are locked in a perpetual political struggle, people often give a "pass" to critics of Israel if they are Muslims. I don't excuse hateful language (likening Jews to pigs and dogs) and think it is both unfair to Jews and hypocritical of the PC police to make excuses for hate speech just because it comes from someone with darker skin.

What are they being taught about China and the rest of the world? That's the question. Are our childeren being taught that a culture that hates jews is equal and good?

[Argus]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

[M.Dancer]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

[Borg]

Answer to the original question. A resounding no.

Multi-culturalism has done nothing for this country but highlight the differences.

It has allowed others to come here and encouraged them to NOT become Canadian.

It will simply increase the problems in the future.

See the U.K and how it has come to realize this. London is now often referred to Londonistan.

France has come to realize this and forbids the Islamics to wear head dress in school.

And the beat goes on.

Off topic - Canada does not teach it's own people about Candian history. The average Canadian student cannot tell you where the St Lawrence Seaway is. Poll on CFRA Ottawa. Amazing but true.

Come to Canada to be equal or do not come at all. We cannot locate the 30,000 plus criminals we have ordered deported. Hmmmm .... deported. That means they are part of that multi-cultural mosaic everyone living in the dark ages seems to tout as the be all and the end all.

The world has changed and we had better get off our duffs or it will be our downfall.

Only someone who is a Liberal or someone who is incapable of reasoned thought would support this idea.

Borg

[bradco]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

rubbish...

should I say all conservatives are bigots. That they believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like sub-human and dont deserve equal rights.

tolerating the intolerant actions of others has absolutly nothing to do with multiculturalism. If we were a completely White society we would still turn a blind eye to the intolerance of our fellow citizens. A "civilized white society" would still be intolerant of each others languages, religions, cultures, sexual orientation etc. There is something else that makes people turn a blind eye to intolerance. What it is I dont know. Maybe people just dont have the balls to stand up and say that what someone is saying is wrong. This lack of courage to stand up for something existed before the rise of multicultural societies. Blaming multiculturalism to justify racism and other intolerant beliefs is wrong.

[bradco]

Answer to the original question. A resounding no.

Multi-culturalism has done nothing for this country but highlight the differences.

It has allowed others to come here and encouraged them to NOT become Canadian.

It will simply increase the problems in the future.

See the U.K and how it has come to realize this. London is now often referred to Londonistan.

France has come to realize this and forbids the Islamics to wear head dress in school.

And the beat goes on.

Off topic - Canada does not teach it's own people about Candian history. The average Canadian student cannot tell you where the St Lawrence Seaway is. Poll on CFRA Ottawa. Amazing but true.

Come to Canada to be equal or do not come at all. We cannot locate the 30,000 plus criminals we have ordered deported. Hmmmm .... deported. That means they are part of that multi-cultural mosaic everyone living in the dark ages seems to tout as the be all and the end all.

The world has changed and we had better get off our duffs or it will be our downfall.

Only someone who is a Liberal or someone who is incapable of reasoned thought would support this idea.

Borg

"Off topic - Canada does not teach it's own people about Candian history. The average Canadian student cannot tell you where the St Lawrence Seaway is. Poll on CFRA Ottawa. Amazing but true."

This is simply because the vast majority of people are dumb. Sad, amazing, but very true. You can't teach people who don't want to learn anything. Their willingness to be stupid and ignorant is astonishing. And I can say this as someone who has been out of highschool for only a little over 2 years and still encounters such individuals at university. Canadian history, geography and politics are all part of the highschool curriculum. We don't forbid people to turn off the tv and open a book or newspaper. Their lack of knowledge is their own fault and nobody elses.

[Higgly]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

[geoffrey]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

Nah, Argus is right here. When's the last time you saw a program promoting white males in the workforce? Doesn't happen. Liberal types assume that racial minorities and women can't get jobs on their own, so they introduce affirmative action type programs.

Where as conservatives have always suggested merit based, equal rights concepts. It was the GOP that eliminated slavery in the States, I think the conservative track record on such topics will be judged far more positively by history.

[Argus]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

Ah, but my contempt is based on their lack of polish and sophistication, not their colouring. I hold them to the same standards I set for everyone else, and I find them wanting - to say the least.

I wouldn't refer to you any more kindly, for the same reason.

[M.Dancer]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

Ah, but my contempt is based on their lack of polish and sophistication, not their colouring. I hold them to the same standards I set for everyone else, and I find them wanting - to say the least.

I wouldn't refer to you any more kindly, for the same reason.

You should consider holding yourself to those standards and you won't come off sounding like an ignorant backwoods hick

[Liam]

It was the GOP that eliminated slavery in the States, I think the conservative track record on such topics will be judged far more positively by history.

That was 140 years ago when the GOP was the Northern liberal party. The South always was the more conservative part of the country. In the 20th century, the two parties gradually shifted to the opposite ends of the spectrum with Democrats championing civil rights and a strong central government and the GOP pushing states' rights and conservative principals. The final nail in the coffin for Democrats in the south (Dixiecrats) was the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In 1968, the Nixon and the GOP harvested that white anger (the "Southern Strategy") and pushed the Democrats to the margins of politics across the old Confederacy. Democrats are "also rans" in almost every state in the South (i.e. Red America).

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[JerrySeinfeld]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

Ah, but my contempt is based on their lack of polish and sophistication, not their colouring. I hold them to the same standards I set for everyone else, and I find them wanting - to say the least.

I wouldn't refer to you any more kindly, for the same reason.

You should consider holding yourself to those standards and you won't come off sounding like an ignorant backwoods hick

See? There it is again. someone points out obvious facts about deficiencies in a certain culture....for example Muslims marching in the streets carrying "death to jews" placards, and if you criticize it you are referred to as a "backwards hick".

This is a prime example of how, more and more, it is lefty multiculties who are guilty of mass stereotypes without weighing the facts. Bigoted behavior.

[M.Dancer]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

Ah, but my contempt is based on their lack of polish and sophistication, not their colouring. I hold them to the same standards I set for everyone else, and I find them wanting - to say the least.

I wouldn't refer to you any more kindly, for the same reason.

You should consider holding yourself to those standards and you won't come off sounding like an ignorant backwoods hick

See? There it is again. someone points out obvious facts about deficiencies in a certain culture....for example Muslims marching in the streets carrying "death to jews" placards, and if you criticize it you are referred to as a "backwards hick".

This is a prime example of how, more and more, it is lefty multiculties who are guilty of mass stereotypes without weighing the facts. Bigoted behavior.

I obvioulsy don't have the same kind of technocolour imagination as you. All I saw was someone posing as an ignorant fool making a racist remark. But if you suggest then that when muslims march through the streets waving signs, that they represent all muslims.....then I gotta ask...(mass stereo types aside) what colour are the sheets in your compound?

[JerrySeinfeld]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

Ah, but my contempt is based on their lack of polish and sophistication, not their colouring. I hold them to the same standards I set for everyone else, and I find them wanting - to say the least.

I wouldn't refer to you any more kindly, for the same reason.

You should consider holding yourself to those standards and you won't come off sounding like an ignorant backwoods hick

See? There it is again. someone points out obvious facts about deficiencies in a certain culture....for example Muslims marching in the streets carrying "death to jews" placards, and if you criticize it you are referred to as a "backwards hick".

This is a prime example of how, more and more, it is lefty multiculties who are guilty of mass stereotypes without weighing the facts. Bigoted behavior.

I obvioulsy don't have the same kind of technocolour imagination as you. All I saw was someone posing as an ignorant fool making a racist remark. But if you suggest then that when muslims march through the streets waving signs, that they represent all muslims.....then I gotta ask...(mass stereo types aside) what colour are the sheets in your compound?

Ah yes - the old stadby "no jihad to see here" line commonly used by law enforcement, politicians and lefty posters.

I always get a kick out of the "watch out for backlash against Muslims" routine after muslims blow themselves up in pizzarias, too. Great line: "Muslims fear repercussions from tommorrow's train bombing"

hahahhaaaa.

But I must ask you this: wouldn't you think there is something wrong in our society if we saw 10,000 white people marching through the streets yelling "Death to all Muslims"?

We're not talking about 2-3 nutjobs with websites. We're takling about 10,000 people.

That's disturbing.

[jbg]

Question:

What's wrong with multiculturalism? Well, the following quote from a good writer doesn't summarize, but it certainly touches on some key problems:

*snip*

Why is it that tolerance has gotten to the point where we tolerate the intolerant? Are we so "multicultural" that we don' defend or believe that anything is worth fighting for?

Tolerance must be based on reciprocality. If a group is tolerant to others they must be tolerated. If a group is intolerant to others they must not be tolerated.

[Leafless]

Question:

What's wrong with multiculturalism? Well, the following quote from a good writer doesn't summarize, but it certainly touches on some key problems:

*snip*

Why is it that tolerance has gotten to the point where we tolerate the intolerant? Are we so "multicultural" that we don' defend or believe that anything is worth fighting for?

Tolerance must be based on reciprocality. If a group is tolerant to others they must be tolerated. If a group is intolerant to others they must not be tolerated.

Good advice.

I only wish the government of the land have these sort of convictions.

[Borg]

Care to show where they do not?

Perhaps your own comments show intolerance?

Borg

[jefferiah]

It's liberal bigotry. I think that, in their hearts, liberals are all bigots. They believe that if you're not a straight White male Christian you're sort of like an immature child, and so can't be expected to live up to the kinds of civilized behaviour exhibited by White people.

Given your propensity for referring to Moslems as goat-herders, Argus, we can only conclude that you are a liberal.

Ah, but my contempt is based on their lack of polish and sophistication, not their colouring. I hold them to the same standards I set for everyone else, and I find them wanting - to say the least.

I wouldn't refer to you any more kindly, for the same reason.

You should consider holding yourself to those standards and you won't come off sounding like an ignorant backwoods hick

See? There it is again. someone points out obvious facts about deficiencies in a certain culture....for example Muslims marching in the streets carrying "death to jews" placards, and if you criticize it you are referred to as a "backwards hick".

This is a prime example of how, more and more, it is lefty multiculties who are guilty of mass stereotypes without weighing the facts. Bigoted behavior.

I obvioulsy don't have the same kind of technocolour imagination as you. All I saw was someone posing as an ignorant fool making a racist remark. But if you suggest then that when muslims march through the streets waving signs, that they represent all muslims.....then I gotta ask...(mass stereo types aside) what colour are the sheets in your compound?

Ah yes - the old stadby "no jihad to see here" line commonly used by law enforcement, politicians and lefty posters.

I always get a kick out of the "watch out for backlash against Muslims" routine after muslims blow themselves up in pizzarias, too. Great line: "Muslims fear repercussions from tommorrow's train bombing"

hahahhaaaa.

But I must ask you this: wouldn't you think there is something wrong in our society if we saw 10,000 white people marching through the streets yelling "Death to all Muslims"?

We're not talking about 2-3 nutjobs with websites. We're takling about 10,000 people.

That's disturbing.

Hey, did Uncle Leo ever give your mother that 50 dollars?

[Canadian Blue]

What are they being taught about China and the rest of the world? That's the question. Are our childeren being taught that a culture that hates jews is equal and good?

It's not the culture that teaches it, its the leaders of the time. Islam was actually more tolerant then Christianity once. As well would it be fair to say that people should say American's should be ashamed of the widespread popularity of the KKK, and should that then be our only understanding of American culture. As well, we can't argue that all muslims have the same beliefs as each other. Theirs more to a persons identity then simply religion.