NDP- LAYTON "Invite Taliban to Peace Talks"

[Canadian Blue]

Where where did I say that. Please show me becuase you keep making claims which aren't true. Go back and re-read the like 5 posts and just cite it ok? I don't think you can because you made that up.

Already been quoted, it's where you stated that you want to gut all the military, RCMP, CSIS, and the CBSA, so you could get a free college course.

Really the Large Soviet Union fell becuase they fought a bunch of huge wars they could not afford along with their normal government spending? I wonder what that sounds like.

We can afford, it's just that our welfare state is also stretched to give unproductive people money.

Accept 15 million or so of them just walked across the boarder with on check of any kind. So it is not nearly as tough considering the requirement to get in was "can walk in extreme heat until across the boarder". See not all immigration is bad.

Actually, it is. Especially if said immigrants can use the welfare system and don't pay any taxes, which will be a net drain on the treasury.

I got the reference I was pointing out we are not Europe. No matter how much you hate them and wish to point them as a failed system.

I never stated I hate them, I simply pointed out the problems in there system. I'm sorry if that offended you, perhaps if we lived in Cuba your socialist feelings wouldn't be so easily offended.

Again I point the US a country which has done great with Immigrants and was made up of immigrants when it became a world power.

Yes, back when they had no welfare state, low taxes, and assimilated said immigrants.

Yes it does never said it didn't but it also gave money to NS 5 years ago too. So nothing has changed but NS is succeeding in these tough economic times where others are failing.

Yes, and without money from provinces that encourage free enterprise it likely wouldn't be doing as well.

Or been a citizen of Syrian and in Canada under observation from our own government when he was supposed to be a terrorist camp right? How dare he work in Canada.

He wasn't in Gitmo.

So you are ok with the US doing it as long as Cuba does it. But if Cuba does it is bad Hypocrisy again.

Actually you can criticize the government in the United States. If you can't tell the difference between the United States and Cuba than you're already showing your far-left credentials.

How about all those killed by Spain. Those who starved under Batista (who if you recall was a US backed dictator but those are ok if the US backs them) as Truman would say.

Batista was definitely better than Castro. But then again you likely have strong sympathy for the butcher of Cabana.

You are the only person I know who can talk out of both sides of his mouth and being lieing out of both. Batista had political prisoners too remember? History is not your friend

I never stated Batista was my friend, I'm pointing out your love affair with Stalinist regimes is typical amongst suburban Marxists. So you're essentially the spoiled brat whose currently in rebellion against his parents and showcasing his full support for slave states.

"Dictators are bad............unless the US supports them"

"Cuba should be get ride of their dictator.............accept that one the US supported"

I actually stated before that the US shouldn't support dictators. The difference is that I don't have a dangerous love affair with totalitarian societies because they provide butter.

Wow the miami herald. A dependable resource written by those who have been wanting Cuba to fail for 50 years.

Of course, who doesn't want a totalitarian system to fail. You remind me of a certain brand of leftist Orwell termed, a right wing communist.

[punked]

So did you read the artical and find out which taliban said that?

I found out the "spokesman for the insurgent group" said it. Propaganda and you guys keep buying it.

[Alta4ever]

I found out the "spokesman for the insurgent group" said it. Propaganda and you guys keep buying it.

Really propaganda, is that what anything that contradicts your warped thinking is? Doubt you would know the difference, since you have bought into the propaganda of butcher of Cabana, then angain people like you do like to wear clothes adorned with this person's face.

[punked]

Already been quoted, it's where you stated that you want to gut all the military, RCMP, CSIS, and the CBSA, so you could get a free college course.

No I said we only have so much money to go around. So how much do you think those organizations should get?

We can afford, it's just that our welfare state is also stretched to give unproductive people money.

Really I think I will have to ask you to back this claim up as well please. Not with ideology but with fact.

Actually, it is. Especially if said immigrants can use the welfare system and don't pay any taxes, which will be a net drain on the treasury.

Illegals actually pay about the same in taxes and in proportion to what they get out of the system then as an average American but don't let facts get in the way of your ideology. If you keep repeating it might someday be true right? Also 2007 study by the white says that if they were made legal they would actually pay about 18 billion more into the system then they would get out of it in the long run.

I never stated I hate them, I simply pointed out the problems in there system. I'm sorry if that offended you, perhaps if we lived in Cuba your socialist feelings wouldn't be so easily offended.

Not offended just pointing out where we live. Not in Europe.

Yes, back when they had no welfare state, low taxes, and assimilated said immigrants.

Yet close to 25% of the country is either first or second generation immigrants and you keep touting their success.

Yes, and without money from provinces that encourage free enterprise it likely wouldn't be doing as well.

Sucks to be part of a country eh?

He wasn't in Gitmo.

Must mean it was right then?

Actually you can criticize the government in the United States. If you can't tell the difference between the United States and Cuba than you're already showing your far-left credentials.

I have already agreed with you on the fact the Cuban government needs to let their people be freer yet you seem to not understand it. Although that does not mean the US could not also be a country with more freedoms.

Batista was definitely better than Castro. But then again you likely have strong sympathy for the butcher of Cabana.

Is that why the country voted him out of office and instead he chose to use the military to stay? Sounds about the same.

I never stated Batista was my friend, I'm pointing out your love affair with Stalinist regimes is typical amongst suburban Marxists. So you're essentially the spoiled brat whose currently in rebellion against his parents and showcasing his full support for slave states.

Tell me how Castro is a Stalinist please?

Other then that I am glade you have sterotyped me now all you have to do is report me to the US government and maybe they will send me to jail too. Jesus you know nothing about me yet these assumptions are great. Please continue to demonstrate everything that is wrong with your approach to the world please.

I actually stated before that the US shouldn't support dictators. The difference is that I don't have a dangerous love affair with totalitarian societies because they provide butter.

Good I am glade we can agree on that.

[punked]

Really propaganda, is that what anything that contradicts your warped thinking is? Doubt you would know the difference, since you have bought into the propaganda of butcher of Cabana, then angain people like you do like to wear clothes adorned with this person's face.

No but when a guy of an extreme group comes out and says "We will never be divided" in reference to the plan to divide said group it is propaganda. Maybe they wont be divided but just becuase the leader of said group says so does not make it true. It also does not mean we shouldn't try. I love how forceful the right is with the military option but how weak and small they are in negotiation.

"Ohhhhh look those two guys said it is a no go better not try at all, I am sure no one will listen becuase those guys said not too."

[Alta4ever]

No but when a guy of an extreme group comes out and says "We will never be divided" in reference to the plan to divide said group it is propaganda. Maybe they wont be divided but just becuase the leader of said group says so does not make it true. It also does not mean we shouldn't try. I love how forceful the right is with the military option but how weak and small they are in negotiation.

"Ohhhhh look those two guys said it is a no go better not try at all, I am sure no one will listen becuase those guys said not too."

And what do you think you know of negociation? This from someone who has probably never negociated a contract of substance in there life.

The people that can or could be negocated with are those that don't hold the talibans beleives it i those that are fighting for them as mecenaries or are there soly for personal power.

Edited March 10, 2009 by Alta4ever

[punked]

And what do you think you know of negociation? This from someone who has probably never negociated a contract of substance in there life.

The people that can or could be negocated with are those that don't hold the talibans beleives it i those that are fighting for them as mecenaries or are there soly for personal power.

Better not try extreme elements of the Taliban said it wont work. Is what I keep hearing from you.

[jbg]

Better not try extreme elements of the Taliban said it wont work. Is what I keep hearing from you.

I agree that it is a very bad idea to legitimize violence and destruction by inviting groups engaged in such activities to the bargaining table. What would be the subject of the negotiations; permissible kill ratios of Westerners.