lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 How come you are able to look more easily into the consciousness of others than in your own conscience? I don't look at the consciousness... I look at the facts... If a poster tells me that race doesn't exist, but that there are only two types of races "sub aharan africans" which are the most diverse race in the world and non diverse - NON-sub-Saharan (as you did benny) ... and then tells me that genetic traits are inherited without any concept of heredity (so that two Northern Asians copulating together can produce a Wesley Snipes or a Nordic European type through progeny) I know that they are either a/insane b/ incredibly lacking in intelligence (so much in fact that it would be amazing for them to be capable of human speech) or c/ (and this is the most probable) lying ... and spouting nonsense they really don't believe themselves but deem it expedient to say to not pain their minds with fastidious thinking. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 I don't look at the consciousness... I look at the facts... If a poster tells me that race doesn't exist, but that there are only two types of races "sub aharan africans" which are the most diverse race in the world and non diverse - NON-sub-Saharan (as you did benny) ... and then tells me that genetic traits are inherited without any concept of heredity (so that two Northern Asians copulating together can produce a Wesley Snipes or a Nordic European type through progeny) And everybody with an IQ above 20 can easily see that he didn't state or argued there was a sub-Saharian race and a non-sub-saharian race. Quote
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 I'm not here to answer questions, I'm here to moralize politics. read: "i'm not here to talk about what is real... what is fact ... and what is delusion, nor am I here to justify my opinions or views or reasoning... I,m just here to lecture people on my Egalitarian belief system and how stupid others are for not believing in it"... in other words you can't argue or rationally debate.. why in the world are you here then? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
benny Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 I don't look at the consciousness... I look at the facts... If a poster tells me that race doesn't exist, but that there are only two types of races "sub aharan africans" which are the most diverse race in the world and non diverse - NON-sub-Saharan (as you did benny) ... and then tells me that genetic traits are inherited without any concept of heredity (so that two Northern Asians copulating together can produce a Wesley Snipes or a Nordic European type through progeny) Read again what ToadBrother really wrote: "Race" as a genetic description is practically meaningless. For a geneticist, traditional views of race hold little explanatory power. For instance, the highest degree of genetic diversity in human populations is in sub-Saharan Africa. Compared to that, just about everyone else can pretty much be lumped into one big category, that is "non-Sub-Saharan African". The idea that people of a certain skin color have somehow lower IQs on average, when, in fact, those people come from populations far more genetically diverse than, say, anything you'd find between a European and a New World Indian is lunacy. The Victorian racial model failed because it did not explain actual molecular and phenotypic observations. Genes are not static, nor do they stay within any group, unless that group is completely cut off from the rest of the world (and the only time that that has happened for any substantial period was the Tasmanian Aborigines, cut off from Australia around 10,000 years ago by rising sea levels). It's true that different populations will have different percentages of certain genes, but trying to map individual genes to major and complex properties like "IQ" or "eye sight" is lunacy. What your espousing was the last attempt to uphold failed racial theories by incorporating overly simplified genetic models. It was rejected by the scientific community many years ago simply because it holds no explanatory power. If there is some mapping between genes and semi-arbitrary testing like IQ, it's considerably more complex than "Eurasians are smarter than Africans", which, as I point out, is a pretty questionable statement anyways, considering, as I said, that the highest degree of genetic dissimilarity between populations is in Africa. The reality is that humans, even the most diverse groups in Sub-Saharan Africa, are far more closely related than even some neighboring wild chimp populations. Just as importantly, the intelligence tests so often used to "prove" things like the Bell Curve are socio-economically and culturally biased that it's difficult to say whether they represent any kind of reality at all. Quote
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 And everybody with an IQ above 20 can easily see that he didn't state or argued there was a sub-Saharian race and a non-sub-saharian race. oh i'm sorry that was toad brother who said in post 211: "Race" as a genetic description is practically meaningless. For a geneticist, traditional views of race hold little explanatory power. For instance, the highest degree of genetic diversity in human populations is in sub-Saharan Africa. Compared to that, just about everyone else can pretty much be lumped into one big category, that is "non-Sub-Saharan African"..... "The reality is that humans, even the most diverse groups in Sub-Saharan Africa, are far more closely related than even some neighboring wild chimp populations. Just as importantly, the intelligence tests so often used to "prove" things like the Bell Curve are socio-economically and culturally biased that it's difficult to say whether they represent any kind of reality at all. presumably he's right and i'm wrong then.. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
benny Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 presumably he's right and i'm wrong then.. I think so. Quote
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 And everybody with an IQ above 20 can easily see that he didn't state or argued there was a sub-Saharian race and a non-sub-saharian race. oh I see... we're all equal... but we are diverse ... that's like a "triangular rectangle"... impossible.. you can't be equal and diverse (ie different) all at once.. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 I think so. you believe there are only 2 types of humans (ie 2 RACES of humans) sub sharana afircans and non sub-saharan... and that there's alot of diversity (racial presumably) but we're all equal? is that what you believe in ? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
benny Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 you believe there are only 2 types of humans (ie 2 RACES of humans) sub sharana afircans and non sub-saharan... and that there's alot of diversity (racial presumably) but we're all equal? is that what you believe in ? Because reality is not necessarily what it ought to be, equality is a moral value that should be applied to genetic diversity. Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 oh i'm sorry that was toad brother who said in post 211: presumably he's right and i'm wrong then.. He is right. And once again, anyone with an IQ higher tham 20 can easily understand that it did not argue there is a sub-Saharian race and a non-sub-Saharian race. Quote
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 Because reality is not necessarily what it ought to be, equality is a moral value that should be applied to genetic diversity. so then equality is a fictive "value" or "idea" that we're all precisely the same... and this should be applied to the FACT of genetic diversity (and hence to the inherent and manifest INEQUALITY and DIFFERENCES that exist between groups of humans (races or clines) and individuals INSIDE these groups) in essence we should accept the theory of evolution but NOT its implications... how mature.. . The hypocrisy of the professed devotion to scientific knowledge here could scarcely be more dramatic.... the obviously innate differences between the different human races and between the individuals of any given cline is a fact... and no amount of verbiage or values will change that... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
tango Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 oh I see... we're all equal... but we are diverse ... that's like a "triangular rectangle"... impossible.. you can't be equal and diverse (ie different) all at once.. That's a very immature and faulty understanding that partially explains why you have such a rigid and inappropriate understanding of humanity. Of course you can be equal and diverse. Equity does not mean 'same'. Some white people have clear skin, and some have speckled skin. Some people are men and some are women. Some are Baptists and some are Catholics, etc. Some people are brown, but they may be different religions. However, no one in their right mind would suggest that all of these are not 'equal'. Of course they are equal ... but different. Just like a fat glass and a skinny glass can contain an equal amount of water without looking the same. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
CANADIEN Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 oh I see... we're all equal... but we are diverse ... that's like a "triangular rectangle"... impossible.. you can't be equal and diverse (ie different) all at once.. Human beings are all born with an equal value and dignity as human beings. Equality is not sameness. ***** You sound more and more like the moron at that other forum a few years back. Let me guess... Next, we should expel non-Whites. Then, only certain people should have the right to vote. And before long, we'll get to the anti-Semitic bit (complete with saying it's not anti-Semitism) Quote
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 He is right. And once again, anyone with an IQ higher tham 20 can easily understand that it did not argue there is a sub-Saharian race and a non-sub-Saharian race. so then YOU DISAGREE WITH him then? damnit can you try to be CLEAR and CONCISE for once? and its "SAHARAN" btw... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 so then YOU DISAGREE WITH him then? damnit can you try to be CLEAR and CONCISE for once? and its "SAHARAN" btw... As i said, people with an IQ superior to 20 understands what he meant. You don't. Quote
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 That's a very immature and faulty understanding that partially explains why you have such a rigid and inappropriate understanding of humanity.Of course you can be equal and diverse. Equity does not mean 'same'. Some white people have clear skin, and some have speckled skin. Some people are men and some are women. Some are Baptists and some are Catholics, etc. Some people are brown, but they may be different religions. However, no one in their right mind would suggest that all of these are not 'equal'. Of course they are equal ... but different. Just like a fat glass and a skinny glass can contain an equal amount of water without looking the same. but is a fat galss and a skinny glass THE SAME!?!!!?!161 ahahahahahaha oh my god am I seriously having this discussion... what an experience in surrealism! no no... not "of course" ... what you're saying is NOT AT ALL obvious ... equality means to be Identical or equivalent in measurable qualities and characteristics... that's the plain definition of equality. "Equity" is being just, impartial, and fair (and has nothing to do with status or describing diversity) If language is not to become mere babble to excite Egalitarian emotions... then by elementary definition IF HUMANS DISPLAY DIFFERENCES (which liberals are pleased to call DIVERSITY) then we are not THE SAME... its really astonishingly simple... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 As i said, people with an IQ superior to 20 understands what he meant. You don't. okay "ad hominem abusive" man.... explain to my inferior brain why it is "equal" to yours... remember you're the egalitarian... you're the one insisting that no differences are extant... not me... how can people have low IQ's and still be equal... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 Human beings are all born with an equal value and dignity as human beings. Equality is not sameness.***** You sound more and more like the moron at that other forum a few years back. Let me guess... Next, we should expel non-Whites. Then, only certain people should have the right to vote. And before long, we'll get to the anti-Semitic bit (complete with saying it's not anti-Semitism) equal "value"... could you get any more subjective ?! okay so you'll notice of course that that you're not denying racial differences or the Iron Law of Human Inequality... all you're saying is that (like the silly tales in the bible said) "we're all created equal" and with dignity etc (execpt perhaps for me... presumably I do not have equal value and dignity because i don't believe in human genetic equality)... expell non-whites? anti semitism? nice way to muddy the issue... try to stick to the simple task of explaining why humans (while being substantially unequal in genes and other characteristics) yet somehow ALL EQUAL... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 okay "ad hominem abusive" man.... explain to my inferior brain why it is "equal" to yours... remember you're the egalitarian... you're the one insisting that no differences are extant... not me... how can people have low IQ's and still be equal... I said clearly that human beings are equal in dignity and value, despite their differences. You don't understand it, your problem, not mine. Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) equal "value"... could you get any more subjective ?! Funny comment of yours, considering you're the one constantly arguing that some people are worth less than others beause of the colour of their skin. okay so you'll notice of course that that you're not denying racial differences or the Iron Law of Human Inequality... all you're saying is that (like the silly tales in the bible said) "we're all created equal" and with dignity etc (execpt perhaps for me... presumably I do not have equal value and dignity because i don't believe in human genetic equality)... I don't care about racial differences. Because, they are of no importance when it comes to the essential TRUTH, which that we are all equal in the only one thing that matter... being human. Which means that you are no less human that I am... only more stupid. Besides, the argument that some humans are more or less intelligent than other because of their race is a racist fraud, and you would know it if you were not conpensating your own shortcomings with that non-sense. And what is the part of "different" does not mean unequal that do you not get. expell non-whites? anti semitism?nice way to muddy the issue... Nope. Just a way to let you know that I recognize from the last time you were peddling your cr*p. Edited April 24, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote
lictor616 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Posted April 24, 2009 I said clearly that human beings are equal in dignity and value, despite their differences. You don't understand it, your problem, not mine. ok then, so we're not genetically "the same" or "equal" then... we exhibit differences (genetically and otherwise) and hence a theory of complete biological equality between individuals or races or groups or clines... in unworkable and impossible... understood.. taht makes more sense.. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Posted April 24, 2009 I don't care about racial differences. Because, they don not matter when it comes to the essential TRUTH, which that we are all equal in the only one thing that matter... being human.Which means that you are no less human that I am... only more stupid. Nope. Just a way to let you know that I recognize from the last time you were peddling your cr*p. "the essential truth" you talk like a possessed Raelien or cult member... we're all human we all bleed red, we all have hearts... etc etc... I've all heard these lamentable excuses for equality... thats some pretty lame soft headed stuff but whatever.. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
CANADIEN Posted April 24, 2009 Report Posted April 24, 2009 ok then, so we're not genetically "the same" or "equal" then... we exhibit differences (genetically and otherwise) and hence a theory of complete biological equality between individuals or races or groups or clines... in unworkable and impossible... understood.. taht makes more sense.. To you only, which is telling. and of course (and unsurprisingly, that was one of your characteristics before) you misrepresentent what i say. Why don't you cut through your own cr*p and show us the real m*nure... your belief that whites are inherently superiors, non-white inherently inferiors, and that white should have more rights in society. We all know already this is what you're getting at. Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 24, 2009 Report Posted April 24, 2009 (edited) "the essential truth"you talk like a possessed Raelien or cult member... we're all human we all bleed red, we all have hearts... etc etc... I've all heard these lamentable excuses for equality... thats some pretty lame soft headed stuff but whatever.. The posessed cult member is you, with you're "I'm superior" delusion. When the worms eat you, you'll taste the same to them as all human beings have always tasted to them. Edited April 24, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote
lictor616 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Posted April 24, 2009 The posessed cult member is you, with you're "I'm superior" delusion. When the worms eat you, you'll taste the same to them as all human beings have always tasted to them. I don't pretend to be superior to anything... I merely said that a theory of complete biological equality between the various clines or "races" of man is IMPOSSIBLE... the discussion of my superiority of inferiority is another subject... and completely irrelevant here... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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