Quebec gets lion's share

[Leafless]

Article:

Ottawa Citizen, Fri. June 30/2006, Pg.A5,

Titled- " Quebec gets lion's share of Canada Day funding: report"

It seems the Tory government is pumping EVEN more money into Quebec's Canada Day celebrations, reversing a federal policy aimed at ensuring a more equitable distribution of the patriotic cash among provinces.

Last year the Liberals reduced Quebec's Canada Day funding in Quebec by $1.8 million to $3.2-million after coming under criticism for imbalances in how the money is distributed across the country.

Heritage fiqures show Quebecers will get $3.7 -million to celebrate Canada Day, half of the $7.3- million federal program money while Ontario will get only $1-million in Canada Day funding.

I don't know if all this Conservative coaxing will make Quebecers any more 'patriotic' or inclined to vote Conservative.

Me thinks this could contribute to obesity.

Just think of all the pepsi, fries and poutine that will be eaten while watching possibly hours of fireworks (with all that money) with most francophones thinking all of this is simply an extension of St.Jean Bapitiste Day celebrations.

Any way Mr. Harper 'thanks very much' for screwing Ontario with all most twice the population of Quebec out of all those fireworks and related Canada Day festivities.

[Leafless]

Heritage fiqures show Quebecers will get $3.7 -million to celebrate Canada Day, half of the $7.3- million federal program money while Ontario will get only $1-million in Canada Day funding.

I fail to see the significance of rewarding a province like Quebec with half the total of federal money available for Canada Day celebrations who have shown in tha past that close to 50% of Quebec residents vote to separate from Canada.

Does this mean concerning other provinces that 'it does not PAY to be patriotic' or to be 'proud citizen's of Canada'?

After 137 years of confederation (NOT), Canada still suffers third world problems concerning UNITY despite tolerating undemocratic actions that have resulted with Quebec being the most pampered to, catered to and best treated province in Canada.

Go fiqure!!!

[geoffrey]

Funding Canada Day's is ridiculous. If people cared, they buy their own fireworks and funny hats. What exactly does this funding go to and why can't it be provided by the private sector?

[Bakunin]

The money is not for firework its because if they don't pay there would be no artists and no show unlike other provinces where they can get artist for free...

Anyway i think it stupid to celebrate confederation day when canada is not a confederation... they should call it the federalism day... i wouldn't celebrate it either though...

[Leafless]

Anyway i think it stupid to celebrate confederation day when canada is not a confederation... they should call it the federalism day... i wouldn't celebrate it either though...

Please explain yourself Bakunin.

If your making reference to Quebec, it was part of New France until 1760 and then became a province within the Canadian confederation at it's very beginning in 1867.

Maybe you don't like it but fact is fact.

[jbg]

Funding Canada Day's is ridiculous. If people cared, they buy their own fireworks and funny hats. What exactly does this funding go to and why can't it be provided by the private sector?

Well, how else to get money from Liberal-friendly ad agencies back to the Lieberal Party?

[Bakunin]

Anyway i think it stupid to celebrate confederation day when canada is not a confederation... they should call it the federalism day... i wouldn't celebrate it either though...

Please explain yourself Bakunin.

If your making reference to Quebec, it was part of New France until 1760 and then became a province within the Canadian confederation at it's very beginning in 1867.

Maybe you don't like it but fact is fact.

I don't understand why we call it a confederation when it is a federation... As a confederalist i think it doesn't make sens. Its a little bit like if north korean would celebrate freedom day or those dictatorship that call their regime a democratic republic or popular republic. its a little bit like if we would celebrate bananas for the apple day.

[Bakunin]

Funding Canada Day's is ridiculous. If people cared, they buy their own fireworks and funny hats. What exactly does this funding go to and why can't it be provided by the private sector?

Well, how else to get money from Liberal-friendly ad agencies back to the Lieberal Party?

Its quite funny, i found in a newspaper that the liberal party announced they paid back their whole debt a week ago..

[jbg]

Funding Canada Day's is ridiculous. If people cared, they buy their own fireworks and funny hats. What exactly does this funding go to and why can't it be provided by the private sector?

Well, how else to get money from Liberal-friendly ad agencies back to the Lieberal Party?

Its quite funny, i found in a newspaper that the liberal party announced they paid back their whole debt a week ago..

Repaid all proceeds of AdScam?

[Leafless]

Anyway i think it stupid to celebrate confederation day when canada is not a confederation... they should call it the federalism day... i wouldn't celebrate it either though...

Please explain yourself Bakunin.

If your making reference to Quebec, it was part of New France until 1760 and then became a province within the Canadian confederation at it's very beginning in 1867.

Maybe you don't like it but fact is fact.

I don't understand why we call it a confederation when it is a federation... As a confederalist i think it doesn't make sens. Its a little bit like if north korean would celebrate freedom day or those dictatorship that call their regime a democratic republic or popular republic. its a little bit like if we would celebrate bananas for the apple day.

"As a confederalist"- you are confusing me even more with a statement like that and think you mean 'nationalist'.

But regardless here is the answer to what you don't understand concerning confederation and federalism.

http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/default.asp?L...eFathersofConfe

I hope you realize that the same concerns about federalism in the 1860's have resurfaced to a relevant degree to-day.

Those main concerns were having a province have to many 'provincial rights' thus resulting in a decentralized federation resulting like what happened in the U.S. and that is the outbreak of civil war.

[Leafless]

Anyway i think it stupid to celebrate confederation day when canada is not a confederation... they should call it the federalism day... i wouldn't celebrate it either though...

Please explain yourself Bakunin.

If your making reference to Quebec, it was part of New France until 1760 and then became a province within the Canadian confederation at it's very beginning in 1867.

Maybe you don't like it but fact is fact.

I don't understand why we call it a confederation when it is a federation... As a confederalist i think it doesn't make sens. Its a little bit like if north korean would celebrate freedom day or those dictatorship that call their regime a democratic republic or popular republic. its a little bit like if we would celebrate bananas for the apple day.

"As a confederalist"- you are confusing me even more with a statement like that and think you mean 'nationalist'.

But regardless here is the answer to what you don't understand concerning confederation and federalism.

http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/default.asp?L...eFathersofConfe

I hope you realize that the same concerns about federalism in the 1860's have resurfaced to a relevant degree to-day.

Those main concerns were having a province have to many 'provincial rights' thus resulting in a decentralized federation resulting like what happened in the U.S. and that is the outbreak of civil war.

So your "confederalist" notion does not make sense Bakunin as both Quebec's Fathers of Confederation, George-Etienne Cartier and Hector-Louis Langevin both wanted federalism.

"George-Étienne Cartier, the trusted leader of the majority of French Canadians, believed that French Canadians needed to have the power to protect their distinctive features.

"The central or federal parliament will have control of all measures of a general character...but all matters of local interest, all that relates to the affairs and rights of the different sections of the confederacy will be reserved for the control of the local parliaments". - Hector-Louis Langevin, 1865

He argued in favour of a two-tier federation, with a central government to administer matters of general concern and a local government empowered to deal with education, the legal system and religious matters. He saw these institutions as key to protecting French interests. At the same time, however, he did not see any reason to limit the power of the central government in other areas. He believed that the economic and political interests of French Canada were the same as those of English Canada and should be dealt with by a central administration. Cartier also viewed a federation as the most effective way to accommodate different regional and cultural realities."

[Bakunin]

"As a confederalist"- you are confusing me even more with a statement like that and think you mean 'nationalist'.

But regardless here is the answer to what you don't understand concerning confederation and federalism.

Yes, i think your confused as there is no contradiction in what you say and what i say...

So your "confederalist" notion does not make sense Bakunin as both Quebec's Fathers of Confederation, George-Etienne Cartier and Hector-Louis Langevin both wanted federalism.

What are my confederalist notions that does not make sense ?

[Wilber]

This is old news. It comes up every year, regardless of the government.

[Argus]

Heritage fiqures show Quebecers will get $3.7 -million to celebrate Canada Day, half of the $7.3- million federal program money while Ontario will get only $1-million in Canada Day funding.

I fail to see the significance of rewarding a province like Quebec with half the total of federal money available for Canada Day celebrations who have shown in tha past that close to 50% of Quebec residents vote to separate from Canada.

Uh, why do you think we have Canada Day celebrations? It's not for your benefit, or some farmer in Saskatchewan, or some fisherman in Newfoundland. The feds fund Canada day solely to show Quebecers what a great country this is and how lucky they are to live here so they'll vote No in the next referendum.

[Leafless]

"As a confederalist"- you are confusing me even more with a statement like that and think you mean 'nationalist'.

But regardless here is the answer to what you don't understand concerning confederation and federalism.

Yes, i think your confused as there is no contradiction in what you say and what i say...

So your "confederalist" notion does not make sense Bakunin as both Quebec's Fathers of Confederation, George-Etienne Cartier and Hector-Louis Langevin both wanted federalism.

What are my confederalist notions that does not make sense ?

What I am pointing out Backunin is you describe yourself as a "confederalist" who has trouble understanding that even Quebec's Father's of confederation knew that central government was a prerequiste of a successful country to help ensure provinces don't acquire to many provincial rights to cause civil war like what happened in the U.S.

I don't associate plain confederation with the celebration of Canada Day without of course including federalism and am proud to celebrate that fact.

You on the other hand question "why celebrate confederation when it is a federation" and with making it clear your a 'confederalist' -and by definition-who supports decentralization and self-sustainability along the lines of nationalism.

[Leafless]

Heritage fiqures show Quebecers will get $3.7 -million to celebrate Canada Day, half of the $7.3- million federal program money while Ontario will get only $1-million in Canada Day funding.

I fail to see the significance of rewarding a province like Quebec with half the total of federal money available for Canada Day celebrations who have shown in tha past that close to 50% of Quebec residents vote to separate from Canada.

Uh, why do you think we have Canada Day celebrations? It's not for your benefit, or some farmer in Saskatchewan, or some fisherman in Newfoundland. The feds fund Canada day solely to show Quebecers what a great country this is and how lucky they are to live here so they'll vote No in the next referendum.

Well, for starters we all know Quebec is part of confederation and if they choose to leave, so be it.

I have no reason to believe that Quebecers are as ignorant as you lead people to believe concerning their personal welfare and being part of Canada. And if they are that ignorant they would also not be aware of all the financial resources being pumped into that province by the federal government, courtesty of all other provinces in Canada.

So what's the point after 139 years and we are suppose to believe people in Quebec are still in the political darkness not knowing where the dollars are falling from.

This unity bit perpetuated by the Liberals (and you must know the Liberals history to realize what exactly is going on) ) is just another way for Quebec to generate income from the other provinces in Canada and it's called constitutional blackmail.

IMO no federal government has the right to continually appease Quebec's political demands by way of cold cash and the federal government should call an immediate referendum to establish the political wish of Canadians to decide whether or not to support Quebec and the unity issue any longer.

I suggest federal political parties make it part of their election platform to tell Canadains outright if they intend to use Canadian tax payers dollars to support Quebec constitutional blackmail and in my case that is the federal party that will never get my vote.

[jbg]

IMO no federal government has the right to continually appease Quebec's political demands by way of cold cash and the federal government should call an immediate referendum to establish the political wish of Canadians to decide whether or not to support Quebec and the unity issue any longer.

I suggest federal political parties make it part of their election platform to tell Canadains outright if they intend to use Canadian tax payers dollars to support Quebec constitutional blackmail and in my case that is the federal party that will never get my vote.

Query, if Quebec were to leave what would it cost to "work around" the geographical discontinuity? What duty would the ROC have to the cut-off Atlantic Provinces? Or would that fall into Uncle Sam's lap?

Further, do you think the US would really tolerate hostile control over the Seaway?

[Bakunin]

"As a confederalist"- you are confusing me even more with a statement like that and think you mean 'nationalist'.

But regardless here is the answer to what you don't understand concerning confederation and federalism.

Yes, i think your confused as there is no contradiction in what you say and what i say...

So your "confederalist" notion does not make sense Bakunin as both Quebec's Fathers of Confederation, George-Etienne Cartier and Hector-Louis Langevin both wanted federalism.

What are my confederalist notions that does not make sense ?

What I am pointing out Backunin is you describe yourself as a "confederalist" who has trouble understanding that even Quebec's Father's of confederation knew that central government was a prerequiste of a successful country to help ensure provinces don't acquire to many provincial rights to cause civil war like what happened in the U.S.

I don't associate plain confederation with the celebration of Canada Day without of course including federalism and am proud to celebrate that fact.

You on the other hand question "why celebrate confederation when it is a federation" and with making it clear your a 'confederalist' -and by definition-who supports decentralization and self-sustainability along the lines of nationalism.

Yes, im a confederalist and i don't see canada as a confederation, i don't care if you disagree with my opinion, evrybody have their opinions, however i fail to understand why you are trying to explain me that some guys may not be confederalist when this is exactly my point... i don't see canada as a confederation.

I guess its because of my bad grammar.

[Leafless]

IMO no federal government has the right to continually appease Quebec's political demands by way of cold cash and the federal government should call an immediate referendum to establish the political wish of Canadians to decide whether or not to support Quebec and the unity issue any longer.

I suggest federal political parties make it part of their election platform to tell Canadains outright if they intend to use Canadian tax payers dollars to support Quebec constitutional blackmail and in my case that is the federal party that will never get my vote.

Query, if Quebec were to leave what would it cost to "work around" the geographical discontinuity? What duty would the ROC have to the cut-off Atlantic Provinces? Or would that fall into Uncle Sam's lap?

Further, do you think the US would really tolerate hostile control over the Seaway?

Why would you suggest Quebec be in the positon of holding the upper hand in the event of Quebec separation?

There would be years of negotiations regarding what Quebec would be entitled to and to suggest Quebec would be hostile to a East-West corridor and take over the St.Lawrence Seaway is premature and nonsensical.

If Quebec did leave with no negotiations would be political suicide including having no 'official recognition' as a country or anything else.

It would almost ensure immediate U.S. involvement pertaining to the St.Lawrence Seaway (which belongs to the U.S. as well) as it serves 25% of the population of the U.S, generates 150,000 U.S. jobs and over $9-billion dollars in revenue and taxes.