Leafless Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 MightyAC You wrote: " Both E85 ethanol and bio-diesel cost less and produce far less pollution than gas. Standard diesel engines burn E5 to E20 bio-diesel and hundreds of thousands of flex fuel vehicles that burn gas or E85 ethanol already exist, so the cost of implementing these technologies is minimal. Ethanol, bio-diesel, hybrids and increased transit usage can drastically reduce fossil fuel usage and greenhouse gas emissions." You are reading American numbers. Ethanol in Canada is the same price in Canada as gasoline and NOT adjusted for volume. Supply and demand equates the cost of ethanol and if demand ever exceeds supply we all know what's going to happen, ethanol skyrockets. And like I said with all the viable corn producing acres in North America won't be able to meet the demand. Also back to energy efficient appliances if you utilize a smaller refrigeration compressor and spin it it at twice the RPM in an effort to lower watts or H.P. will result in DECREASED performance. There is no way you can cheat watts or horse power and get the same performance. You also wrote: "You’re obviously out of touch with reality." What you forgetting it is not only the pollution factor we have to worry about but the actual air used to support combustion for enternal combustion engines. And that ratio is 14.7 to 1. That is for every 1-gallon of any kind of fuel you burn you use you use 14.7-gallons of air. And that is why my idea of conservation of restricting a single vehicle per household makes sense and is NO WAY out of touch with reality. I also support public transportation as a viable alternative to help save the planet. Quote
Kindred Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 No matter what we do as consumers it will have NO impact on pollution in OUR countries as long as other countries in the world continue to pollute because they are dependent upon coal for energy and heat. NOTHING will mitigate that reality. Pollution is an INTERNATIONAL problem, we can assist other countries in overcoming their energy challenges or we can sacrifice everything we rely on and still see no change. Quote
Kindred Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 http://www.as.harvard.edu/chemistry/trop/p.../jacob1999b.pdf the facts are laid out here Quote
gc1765 Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 http://www.as.harvard.edu/chemistry/trop/p.../jacob1999b.pdf the facts are laid out here The link doesn't work. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Kindred Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 Sorry try this http://www.as.harvard.edu/chemistry/trop/p.../jacob1999b.pdf and this link I guess http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s624.htm I hope these work for you. Quote
Kindred Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 sorry it did it again, I guess I have to type it in http://www.as.harvard.edu/chemistry/trop/p.../jacob1999b.pdf There I hope that works, I dont know why it put those dots in there when I did a copy and paste -- Quote
Kindred Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 ok this is bordering the ridiculous, copy the address and then complete the word "publications" that is, for some reason being taken out of the link when I post it - its ok until I hit the button to post, then it gets changed, weird .......... Quote
gc1765 Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 the link works fine now. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Kindred Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 whew -- that was an exercise in frustration - Quote
Leafless Posted June 25, 2006 Report Posted June 25, 2006 No matter what we do as consumers it will have NO impact on pollution in OUR countries as long as other countries in the world continue to pollute because they are dependent upon coal for energy and heat. NOTHING will mitigate that reality. Pollution is an INTERNATIONAL problem, we can assist other countries in overcoming their energy challenges or we can sacrifice everything we rely on and still see no change. Of course this is correct pertaining to the whole Kyoto thing and makes no sense especially compared to Canada's small contribution to worlwide pollution. As countries like China who uses more fossil fuels as their economy becomes more and more successful cancels out any meager pollution savings elsewhere around the globe especially utilizing expensive hi-tech gimmickry. This is a problem compounded by population growth and globalization. Quote
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