This is exactly why we don't like Red Flag laws

[User]

In concept, I actually do support these laws, but in practice, I have yet to see any of them that have the right safeguards or protections in place. 

This happened to someone with some notoriety. What do you think happens to the little people who don't have access to fancy lawyers and $$$ to defend themselves?

The basics of this story are that some clown who threatened James on hidden camera then turned around and got a domestic violence stalking order of protection against James because some of the people who seen the video responded to him harassing him and threatening him... 

Just absurd. 

Fortunately, another Judge quickly overturned this, but to have to go through this in the first place, to be subjected to an order a week ago to inventory all of your firearms and declare them to the court so the court can then turn around and order them removed?

 

 

[gatomontes99]

I have been looking for the full story on this. I saw the X posts a few days ago. 

We talk about freedom not being free. Yes, we could put trackers on everyone, watch every penny they spend and predict when they are moving towards law breaking and then arrest them even before they break the law. That could stop murders cold. But what kind of life is that? What kind of life is it to have every movement monitored, every action scrutinized, and punishment for crimes you did not commit? 

Freedom means people will make horrifically bad choices. Freedom means innocent people will have to deal with the consequences of those bad choices. Dealing with the bad choices of some is a far smaller price than the tyranny of certainty. With the tyranny of certainty, we all pay for the bad choices of some. With the thranny of certainty, everyone is punished for the actions of a few. 

 

[John Stone]

20 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I have been looking for the full story on this. I saw the X posts a few days ago. 

We talk about freedom not being free. Yes, we could put trackers on everyone, watch every penny they spend and predict when they are moving towards law breaking and then arrest them even before they break the law. That could stop murders cold. But what kind of life is that? What kind of life is it to have every movement monitored, every action scrutinized, and punishment for crimes you did not commit? 

Freedom means people will make horrifically bad choices. Freedom means innocent people will have to deal with the consequences of those bad choices. Dealing with the bad choices of some is a far smaller price than the tyranny of certainty. With the tyranny of certainty, we all pay for the bad choices of some. With the thranny of certainty, everyone is punished for the actions of a few. 

 

'Freedom means people will make horrifically bad choices. Freedom means innocent people will have to deal with the consequences of those bad choices.' / gatomontes99

........ emphasis on colored people, green card holders, women, dreamers, EAD holders, second gen born in the U.S.  and those taking part in legitimate protests. 

[John Stone]

1 minute ago, John Stone said:

'Freedom means people will make horrifically bad choices. Freedom means innocent people will have to deal with the consequences of those bad choices.' / gatomontes99

........ emphasis on colored people, green card holders, women, dreamers, EAD holders, second gen born in the U.S.  and those taking part in legitimate protests. 

[gatomontes99]

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

'Freedom means people will make horrifically bad choices. Freedom means innocent people will have to deal with the consequences of those bad choices.' / gatomontes99

........ emphasis on colored people, green card holders, women, dreamers, EAD holders, second gen born in the U.S.  and those taking part in legitimate protests. 

So lame. 

[John Stone]

30 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

So lame. 

.........yeah, the truth only hurts when u want to believe lies. 😁

 

Edited April 26 by John Stone

[User]

6 hours ago, John Stone said:

........ emphasis on colored people, green card holders, women, dreamers, EAD holders, second gen born in the U.S.  and those taking part in legitimate protests. 

Always have to work that race hustle... play the identity politics game. 

6 hours ago, John Stone said:

What does your support for open borders lawlessness have to do with anything here?

[gatomontes99]

27 minutes ago, John Stone said:

.........yeah, the truth only hurts when u want to believe lies. 😁

 

No. Your reply was just lame: 

a boring, foolish, or unsophisticated person

You people have been exposed for your lies. You can't hurt me by lying about me. You only really hurt yourself. 

3 minutes ago, User said:

Always have to work that race hustle... play the identity politics game. 

What does your support for open borders lawlessness have to do with anything here?

It is literally all they have. Name one policy they have that benefits the country. Just one. 

[John Stone]

18 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

No. Your reply was just lame: 

a boring, foolish, or unsophisticated person

You people have been exposed for your lies. You can't hurt me by lying about me. You only really hurt yourself. 

It is literally all they have. Name one policy they have that benefits the country. Just one. 

...............dude, don't accuse me of being what ur mother raised. 🤣

[John Stone]

25 minutes ago, User said:

Always have to work that race hustle... play the identity politics game. 

What does your support for open borders lawlessness have to do with anything here?

............ haha ............ colored folks say it ain't paranoia if its true now and historically.

Begin with ICE - it is suggested they're color blind.  

21 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

No. Your reply was just lame: 

a boring, foolish, or unsophisticated person

You people have been exposed for your lies. You can't hurt me by lying about me. You only really hurt yourself. 

It is literally all they have. Name one policy they have that benefits the country. Just one. 

 

[User]

Just now, John Stone said:

............ haha ............ colored folks say it ain't paranoia if its true now and historically.

Begin with ICE - it is suggested they're color blind.  

Begin with ICE what? This is your stupid race-baiting argument. You don't understand statistics. 

[John Stone]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Begin with ICE what? This is your stupid race-baiting argument. You don't understand statistics. 

statistics?🙄

And fer fk's sake, stay away from CNN.😄 

[gatomontes99]

43 minutes ago, John Stone said:

...............dude, don't accuse me of being what ur mother raised. 🤣

That is the best you could come up with? You are lame. Your posts are lame. You've got nothing but unsubstantiated personal attacks. You don't even have the mental acuity to address my original thesis. I linked all the big words for you so you can learn something. 

See, that one hurts you because you know it rings true. 

Edited April 26 by gatomontes99

[User]

59 minutes ago, John Stone said:

statistics?🙄

And fer fk's sake, stay away from CNN.😄 

Yes. Statistics. 

You know, facts, logic, common sense... all the things you reject to push your race-baiting. 

[Legato]

8 hours ago, John Stone said:

You need to change your supplier.

[John Stone]

15 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

That is the best you could come up with? You are lame. Your posts are lame. You've got nothing but unsubstantiated personal attacks. You don't even have the mental acuity to address my original thesis. I linked all the big words for you so you can learn something. 

See, that one hurts you because you know it rings true. 

 

An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.

I'll take lame over witless, dude. 😄

 

Edited April 27 by John Stone

[gatomontes99]

Just now, John Stone said:

 

An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.

I'll take lame over witless, dude. 😄

 

So your rebuttal to my accusation that you have nothing but personal attacks is another personal attacks? So lame. 

[John Stone]

14 hours ago, Legato said:

You need to change your supplier.

............. u need to fire ur script writer. 😁

2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

So your rebuttal to my accusation that you have nothing but personal attacks is another personal attacks? So lame. 

so witless! 😁

[John Stone]

16 hours ago, User said:

Begin with ICE what? This is your stupid race-baiting argument. You don't understand statistics. 

 

‘statistics’ are not ‘facts’

Facts  are independent of interpretation, they are constant, ‘the earth orbits the sun’?

Statistics are subject to interpretation, sampling methods (questionnaire), and the context – they can be presented in misleading ways.

Edited April 27 by John Stone

[Legato]

53 minutes ago, John Stone said:

............. u need to fire ur script writer. 😁

so witless! 😁

I rest my case.

[John Stone]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

I rest my case.

I wasn't aware u had a case, counselor.  lol 

[User]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

 

‘statistics’ are not ‘facts’

Facts  are independent of interpretation, they are constant, ‘the earth orbits the sun’?

Statistics are subject to interpretation, sampling methods (questionnaire), and the context – they can be presented in misleading ways.

How are you this dumb?

Statistics themselves are facts. That you can then go on to interpret them….

[Legato]

Just now, John Stone said:

I wasn't aware u had a case, counselor.  lol 

Yes I know, awareness is not one of your strong points as you aptly demonstrated and hence my comment.

Do change your supplier it could help.

[John Stone]

7 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yes I know, awareness is not one of your strong points as you aptly demonstrated and hence my comment.

Do change your supplier it could help.

Awareness is the first step towards  change, self-understanding and personal growth. 

The longest journey begins with the first step ............. best get urself some good walking  shoes. 😁

[Legato]

18 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Awareness is the first step towards  change, self-understanding and personal growth. 

The longest journey begins with the first step ............. best get urself some good walking  shoes. 😁

Try it sometime. It could help.