Canada to be China’s 24th province?

[paxamericana]

 

Yes apparently this is preferable than cutting a deal with the Americans. No worries though, as the 24th province of China, you’ll be able to afford the finest random roadkill and trash veggies, prepared in the best oil pulled from the broadest sewers in Beijing! 

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[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

 

 

Yes apparently this is preferable the cutting a deal with the Americans. No worries though, as the 24th province of China, you’ll be able to afford the finest random roadkill and trash veggies, prepared in the best oil pulled from the broadest sewers in Beijing! 

Sounds like southern Mississippi.  Ever been there Bubba?

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

southern Mississippi.  Ever been there Bubba?

You mean Canada? Sure plenty of time. 
 

AI tells me 

Based on 2023-2024 data, Mississippi’s GDP per capita (approx. $50,000–$53,000 USD) is roughly comparable to Canada’s national average. While sometimes cited as poorer, Canada's economic output per person is often lower than even the lowest-ranking U.S. states, making its average economic footprint similar to Mississippi. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

You mean Canada? Sure plenty of time. 
 

AI tells me 

Based on 2023-2024 data, Mississippi’s GDP per capita (approx. $50,000–$53,000 USD) is roughly comparable to Canada’s national average. While sometimes cited as poorer, Canada's economic output per person is often lower than even the lowest-ranking U.S. states, making its average economic footprint similar to Mississippi. 

No Bubba, I mean Mississippi.  I'll take it you've never been...  Some interesting places in the state to visit....  Maybe shine up your combat boots, fly into New Orleans and take a little road trip?

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

You mean Canada? Sure plenty of time. 
 

AI tells me 

Based on 2023-2024 data, Mississippi’s GDP per capita (approx. $50,000–$53,000 USD) is roughly comparable to Canada’s national average. While sometimes cited as poorer, Canada's economic output per person is often lower than even the lowest-ranking U.S. states, making its average economic footprint similar to Mississippi. 

Or how about Detroit...  ever been there to see how poverty has impacted that city/area for the last ~40 years?

[LinkSoul60]

9 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

You mean Canada? Sure plenty of time. 
 

AI tells me 

Based on 2023-2024 data, Mississippi’s GDP per capita (approx. $50,000–$53,000 USD) is roughly comparable to Canada’s national average. While sometimes cited as poorer, Canada's economic output per person is often lower than even the lowest-ranking U.S. states, making its average economic footprint similar to Mississippi. 

Where has you been in Canada, and why was it so bad?

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Where has you been in Canada, and why was it so bad?

Just about every part of Mississippi, cold and wet Mississippi, central Mississippi, I avoid the French speaking part of Mississippi, they refuse to speak English for some weird reason. 
Mississippi island was nice. Their garden was beautiful but the ferry line  queue is a bit much during peak season. 

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[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

Just about every part of Mississippi, cold and wet Mississippi, central Mississippi, I avoid the French speaking part of Mississippi, they refuse to speak English for some weird reason. 

I'm f'ing with you...because it's so easy!  Never been on the Gulf coast in the state but fair to say some very impoverished area's throughout....but some nice areas too.  Hell, New Orleans is a very impoverished city on the outskirts... but a heck of a lot of fun if you got the stamina.

[LinkSoul60]

17 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Just about every part of Mississippi, cold and wet Mississippi, central Mississippi, I avoid the French speaking part of Mississippi, they refuse to speak English for some weird reason. 
Mississippi island was nice. Their garden was beautiful but the ferry line  queue is a bit much during peak season. 

Where have you been in Canada that gives you the impression we're 3rd world?

[John Stone]

In a more divided and uncertain world, Canada is without a doubt diversifying and building a stronger, more independent (from US), resilient economy. 

With the US. determined to be more isolationist (consumer to production economy) it makes sense for Canada to lean towards China, et al. 

It makes sense to forge economic ties to the country that will soon be the number one global economic powerhouse.

Gawd, the coming US-China talks (if they occur) is going to be a plethora of scraping by TACO. 

The U.S. cannot be trusted tho .............. the World  is realigning. 

Kanadians. 

Trust?............... standby for the coming CUSMA talks

[paxamericana]

43 minutes ago, John Stone said:

China, et al. 

It makes sense to forge economic ties to the country that will soon be the number one global economic powerhouse.

I never understood this sentiment. For demographic reason alone China is petering out. They are running out of workers! They are an export driven economy. There are no longer a consumption base to make China an economic powerhouse. Their demographic dividend came and went, there isn’t a supply of cheap peasant labor that justify the manufacturing model in China. Mexican labor is cheaper and more productive. The Chinese isn’t going to buy Canadian goods or services, or anyone else’s for that matter. The Chinese would need to export to every country just to maintain their current economy, and every country has put up trade barriers to China. The Chinese goal has and always was to hollow out the local competition. That’s what they did to Brazil and parts of American manufacturing.

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[John Stone]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I never understood this sentiment. For demographic reason alone China is petering out. They are running out of workers! They are an export driven economy. There are no longer a consumption base to make China an economic powerhouse. Their demographic dividend came and went, there isn’t a supply of cheap peasant labor that justify the manufacturing model in China. Mexican labor is cheaper and more productive. The Chinese isn’t going to buy Canadian goods or services, or anyone else’s for that matter. The Chinese would need to export to every country just to maintain their current economy, and every country has put up trade barriers to China. The Chinese goal has and always was to hollow out the local competition. That’s what they did to Brazil and parts of American manufacturing.

In 2025, China’s GDP expanded 5 percent (consistent year on year) maintaining its position as the world’s second largest economy according to the National Bureau of Statistics.

The growth was supported by industrial and agricultural production improvements, a revitalized service sector and strong global demand for Chinese goods.

Exports (China) contributed significantly tho, with real growth projected at 5-6 percent annually according  to Goldman Sachs

Canada primarily exports energy, minerals, agricultural foodstuffs, seafood.  Canada has been forced to diversify its exports markets tho with energy and minerals leading recent growth

Canada’s exports to China have surged, particularly crude oil in the first half of 2025. This growth was driven by the Trans Mountain Expansion pipeline allowing significantly increased crude shipments to China.

Metallic minerals, coal and copper are also major exports to the chinks contributing to Canada’s overall export growth.

Kanadian agricultural products should not be forgotten either, canola seed, beef, pork, fish. Recent government changes in 2026 reduced tariffs on canola from 85 percent to 14 percent, greatly improving market access resulting in billions in annual exports to China.

Hate to say it  but China is to be applauded - with a population of 1.5 billion it has amazing accomplishment and not  simply in feeding, educating and caring for this domestic hoard, but progressing  science,  health, engineering, technology. 

 Oh, yeah, this country is 'comer' and has been since PRC became a country in 1949.

Arguably China's biggest advantage re: population and productivity is its ideology - the ability of a government to tweek, push and pull for efficacy should  not be ignored. 

Difficult to say who applauded more at the announcement of Trump's second tenure; Putin, NK or Xi. ? 😄

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[paxamericana]

13 minutes ago, John Stone said:

with real growth projected at 5-6 percent annually according  to Goldman Sachs

Is this before Goldman Sachs accounted for the US Navy pirating Chinese merchant shipping and cutting off their cheap oil?

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[John Stone]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Is this before Goldman Sachs accounted for the US Navy pirating Chinese merchant shipping and cutting off their cheap oil?

............. yeah, Trump will have to answer to that when he meets with Xi. 😄

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, John Stone said:

............. yeah

All I'm saying is people who are betting on China is betting on the wrong horse for many reasons. Most of which is that they are export dependent. Meaning they're subject to Maritime disruptions by interested parties, of which the most powerful Navy is a part. 

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[John Stone]

6 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

All I'm saying is people who are betting on China is betting on the wrong horse for many reasons. Most of which is that they are export dependent. Meaning they're subject to Maritime disruptions by interested parties, of which the most powerful Navy is a part. 

An embargo of the Malacca Strait?

In the quiet deserts of western China, hundreds of missile silos are rising from the earth. For decades,  Peking  (ha!) nuclear posture was defined by restraint; a minimalist doctrine rooted in deterrence, not dominance. Today, that doctrine is being rewritten. 

But lets not get to the crowd pleasers suddenly - China will fight a conventional war - they are capable and have the advantage of geography. Giggles and chuckles, research the so-called, nine-dash-line in the south China sea. Does that sound to u like a minimalist strategy. 

That country is surging (Asia, Europe, South America) - they cannot believe their good fortune finding the US saddled with such incompetence.

[paxamericana]

9 minutes ago, John Stone said:

China will fight a conventional war - they are capable and have the advantage of geography.

China has a geography advantage? Do me a favor and pull up the map. See the rings of island surrounding their coast? Yeah the US has bases and allies in all those nooks and cranny's. This wasn't our first rodeo in that theater. The Japs learned their lessons.  The chinese hasn't fought a conventional war since Vietnam, they got their ass handed to them. And they have never fought a modern Naval battle . You know who fights every decade, in all types of enviroment? Yeah, Uncle Sam. 

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[John Stone]

6 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

China has a geography advantage? Do me a favor and pull up the map. See the rings of island surrounding their coast? Yeah the US has bases and allies in all those nooks and cranny's. This wasn't our first rodeo in that theater. The Japs learned their lessons.  

Islands? 

My god man, islands need to be resupplied? 

Although the Japs lost - were nuked - what was the squib that brought Japan into the war. 

It was the U.S. oil embargo of 1941.

Imagine if the US threatened the Malacca Strait today - alone - sans allies, and it would be SANS allies! 

fk'n disaster! 

The chinks would rip  the USN a new A$$HOLE (I love the USN) ........... and NK and Russia would likely wade in. 

I may as well mention this - China has spent  decades developing  a weapon capable of taking out a carrier - wonder who they were  thinking of.

Edited April 24 by John Stone

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Islands? 

My god man, islands need to be resupplied?

Those islands are not friendly to the Chinese. China's neighbors hate them. The worse animosity America gets is from persnickety Canadians. Islands are a good places to... host pirates. Yes , now you see where the math leads. China is doomed. How fast we get to that point with or without a war remains to be seen.

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[John Stone]

Just now, paxamericana said:

Those islands are not friendly to the Chinese. China's neighbors hate them. The worse animosity America gets is from persnickety Canadians. Islands are a good places to... host pirates. Yes , now you see where the math leads. 

Isolate and destroy dude j- on land it's called a pincer. 

[paxamericana]

1 minute ago, John Stone said:

Isolate and destroy dude j- on land it's called a pincer. 

Having said that, it's also not in the US interest to destroy China. I'm being serious. The American perspective is that China is a managed decline. Preferably without a hot war and inflation that comes with 30 trillion dollars of sunk capital investment going offline. 

[John Stone]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Having said that, it's also not in the US interest to destroy China. I'm being serious. The American perspective is that China is a managed decline. Preferably without a hot war and inflation that comes with 30 trillion dollars of sunk capital investment going offline. 

All i can tell you is that China is exploiting a self-inflicted injury. 

Both countries possess enough firepower of the finest order to make the rubble bounce several times. 

 

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[paxamericana]

1 minute ago, John Stone said:

exploiting a self-inflicted injury. 

don't be so sure about that. We chose the time and place of our wars. 

[John Stone]

Just now, paxamericana said:

don't be so sure about that. We chose the time and place of our wars. 

................like Pearl? 😄

[paxamericana]

6 minutes ago, John Stone said:

................like Pearl? 😄

That's when we got bit the second time. See Americans are very simple. We do what we do so we can be... left alone. We got bit twice when we left the world to its own devices with our heads buried in the sand. 

In regards to China, we know that they know they are going away, there won't be a Han chinese person by the end of this century, invading Taiwan so the CCP can write a narrative about national dissolution is something we figure they might try... if we didn't took steps to stop them. This is why we view China as a managed decline. Why you Cannucks and deadbeats Euro want to get in our way is a whole different level of irritation that will be dealt with. 

Edited April 24 by paxamericana