Orange man of European descent to save Europe?

[paxamericana]

The Great new deal; you invest in America , we do good, you do good. We’ll protect the peace. And allow you to continue trading globally by protecting the sea lane from adversaries and would be adversaries like your neighbor. Prosperity and Security goes hand in hand. What does America ask for in return? Locking down the Artic Ocean. The question you all should be asking is when not why. Even with the most aggressive Artic warming model , the Artic ocean won’t be iceberg free year round for another 100 years. One way to achieve American National interest is controlling the territorial water off of Greenland in conjunction with the Scandinavians and Brits. America defeated the Germans when Denmark was defeated by Nazi Germany, Greenland sovereignty, America gave it back through treaty. But times are different now. The next 100 years will be different.

Edited January 22 by paxamericana

[Barquentine]

12 hours ago, paxamericana said:

controlling the territorial water off of Greenland in conjunction with the Scandinavians and Brits.

That's been the  reality all along.

Meanwhile: T.A.C.O.

12 hours ago, paxamericana said:

America defeated the Germans

Yeah, you guys did that all by yourselves. Read some Phuckin' history!

[John Stone]

24 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

That's been the  reality all along.

Meanwhile: T.A.C.O.

Yeah, you guys did that all by yourselves. Read some Phuckin' history!

When the U.S. entered the war in 1941 the Brits had been 'at it' for several years....... alone. 

What likely saved GB was (2) events, Pearl and the German's decision to attack Russia. 

It was many months, from 1941,  before the industrial might of the U.S. was felt in Europe - prepping for the main event, D-day  (Italy notwithstanding) 

It should be remembered that the U.S. was literally engaged in a (2) front war .......... and in the Pacific it was over a ginormous area...........naval, island hopping offense.  Midway was absolutely a crucial victory. ... Japan  was on it's back after that. 

GB had their Dominions (BCATP) ..... and they also had the moat separating them from the continent. 

It has been speculated that IF Japan had not committed suicide, England would not have been defeated, per se. The big winner would have been Russia which would have eventually occupied the entire continent. The USSR (Warsaw Pact) would have been on steroids - world conquest would have been in their grasp - fission bangers notwithstanding. 

The big winner, post WWII,  in terms of clout, economics, and geo-politics was the U.S. ........... no question. The 1940s, 50' was a time of incredible economic growth. The U.S. rebuilt Europe (Japan) and global free trade was the vehicle of choice - call it democracy? 

 

The U.S. was staunchly isolationist (Congress) post WWI - FDR clearly saw that a country with the global potential of the U.S. could never maintain that stance - FDR is the giant upon whose shoulders the present U.S. stands. That said, it was Pearl that delivered a dose of reality. Believe  post Pearl even Henry Ford and Lucky Lindy put their fascist attire back into the closet.  

 

[Radiorum]

8 hours ago, John Stone said:

for several years....... alone. 

No, Canada entered the war at the same time as the UK

[John Stone]

5 hours ago, Radiorum said:

No, Canada entered the war at the same time as the UK

.............. I think ur referring to WWI

[Radiorum]

9 hours ago, John Stone said:

I think ur referring to WWI

No, WW2

Canada officially entered the Second World War on September 10, 1939

https://veterans.gc.ca/en/remembrance/classroom/fact-sheets/wwchronol

 

[John Stone]

32 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

No, WW2

Canada officially entered the Second World War on September 10, 1939

https://veterans.gc.ca/en/remembrance/classroom/fact-sheets/wwchronol

 

Indeed -  Canada I believe was a Dominion of GB when WWI broke out - as a Dominion they were automatically at war when WWI began.

At some point in the 30's Canada dropped the 'Dominion' status ..........and became somewhat independent, 

The Brits declared war on Sept 1st, 1939

Canada didn't really become sovereign until the Repatriation  in 1982 (Trudeau) 

[Radiorum]

27 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Canada I believe was a Dominion of GB when WWI broke out - as a Dominion they were automatically at war when WWI began.

That's right

By 1939, Canada was a fully independent nation, and there was debate in the Canadian Parliament about entering the war. A vote was taken and Canada declared war on Germany on September 10, 1939

 

30 minutes ago, John Stone said:

At some point in the 30's Canada dropped the 'Dominion' status ..........and became somewhat independent, 

In 1931 - The Statute of Westminster, although the term "Dominion of Canada" slowly faded over the next 20 years

 

31 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Canada didn't really become sovereign until the Repatriation  in 1982 (Trudeau) 

Canada gained its sovereignty - as a Dominion and a Federation - with the BNA Act of 1867

The Constitution Act of 1982 established the Canadian Constitution as the supreme law of the land, but Canada was quite independent in their affairs before that

 

 

[John Stone]

.........god, I feel like a Kanadian - haha

indeed, Kanada was sovereign (IMO to a degree) before 1982

 

However, the Constitution Act of 1982 marked the final separation of Canada from the British Parliament, granting it full independence in CONSTITUTIONAL amendments. 

 

Might be moot but I would not consider a country sovereign with a a foreign entity (GB) providing oversight to it's own Constitution. 

 

Of course, Trudeau  is forever cursed with the, 'notwithstanding clause'. 

 

You might be interested in the Alaskan Border dispute. When the U.S. purchased Alaska in 1867 from the Russian Empire, GB negotiated the border (panhandle) ........ despite Confederation. 

Edited January 23 by John Stone

[Barquentine]

On 1/22/2026 at 8:53 AM, John Stone said:

The big winner, post WWII,  in terms of clout, economics, and geo-politics was the U.S. ........... no question. The 1940s, 50' was a time of incredible economic growth. The U.S. rebuilt Europe (Japan) and global free trade was the vehicle of choice - call it democracy? 

No doubt. The doughboys stayed out of ww2 while Europe was being destroyed. And: 

"The United States provided massive financial and material support to Britain during WWII, primarily through the Lend-Lease program (1941–1945), which supplied $31.4 billion (roughly $500+ billion today) in aid, mostly free of charge. A separate $3.75 billion postwar loan in 1946 finalized the debt, which Britain finished repaying in 2006."

And the US was in a postion to set the terms for the New World Order which has been enriching them to this day.

But the point was who 'won' the war, not what happened after. Russia had a HUGE part in defeating Germany.

[Legato]

On 1/21/2026 at 6:41 PM, paxamericana said:

The Great new deal; you invest in America , we do good, you do good. We’ll protect the peace. And allow you to continue trading globally by protecting the sea lane from adversaries and would be adversaries like your neighbor. Prosperity and Security goes hand in hand. What does America ask for in return? Locking down the Artic Ocean. The question you all should be asking is when not why. Even with the most aggressive Artic warming model , the Artic ocean won’t be iceberg free year round for another 100 years. One way to achieve American National interest is controlling the territorial water off of Greenland in conjunction with the Scandinavians and Brits. America defeated the Germans when Denmark was defeated by Nazi Germany, Greenland sovereignty, America gave it back through treaty. But times are different now. The next 100 years will be different.

Using that logic one could also say the Rolls Royce Merlin won WWII.

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

No doubt. The doughboys stayed out of ww2 while Europe was being destroyed. And: 

"The United States provided massive financial and material support to Britain during WWII, primarily through the Lend-Lease program (1941–1945), which supplied $31.4 billion (roughly $500+ billion today) in aid, mostly free of charge. A separate $3.75 billion postwar loan in 1946 finalized the debt, which Britain finished repaying in 2006."

And the US was in a postion to set the terms for the New World Order which has been enriching them to this day.

But the point was who 'won' the war, not what happened after. Russia had a HUGE part in defeating Germany.

The Allies 'won' the war, although I'd say what came after was the real determination of what strategy won. 

Seems incredible but the dumb a$$s got it right - rebuilt the World - got $$$$$$$$$$ - created countries and confronted an existential threat (Warsaw Pact) thru the creation of NATO - 70 years of Global peace - proxy brush fires notwithstanding. 

Final analysis - The United States negotiated a New World Order............. attaboy! 

It worked - the proof is that we're all still pumping oxygen. 

What is often overlooked as well is that the U.S. for some time post-WWII was the sole crowd pleaser, custodian. 

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

So Trump is going to save Europe by attacking its countries or abandoning them to Putin? Very Vietnam. 

The Soviets did the fighting in Europe in WWII. America was only slightly involved in that and belatedly too. By rights there should be ten movies about Kursk, Stalingrad and Berlin for every one about Normandy etc. 

 

Edited January 23 by SpankyMcFarland