Mixed Signal from Oslo

[Milla]

Mixed Signals from Oslo: “Unconditional” Help for Ukraine—and Sharp Barbs at the US

With Norway’s September elections coming up, all the big parties are trumpeting their full support for Kyiv. But at the same time, they’ve been throwing some pretty harsh jabs at the very country that underwrites that support—the United States. The latest firestorm started when senior politician Hans-Jakob Bene called President Trump a “drittsekk” (think “jerk” or worse) and even suggested holding a referendum on joining the EU. That touchy statement set off a wave of criticism and left many wondering: how genuine is Norway’s backing of Ukraine?

Here are the three hot-button issues everyone’s talking about:

1. Populism for votes

   The big, bold promises to help Ukraine look great on the campaign trail—but insulting a key ally undermines trust and raises questions about politicians’ real motives.

2. A possible NATO split

   If Norway’s future leaders feel free to trash-talk the alliance’s main security backer, how are we supposed to coordinate efforts to hold Russia in check?

3. Questionable competence

   Norway relies heavily on the US for its defense. Emotional outbursts by top politicians risk leaving the country in a vulnerable spot.

So here’s the bottom line: should these public statements by Norwegian officials factor into how we plan future aid and cooperation with Norway?

[paxamericana]

On 8/20/2025 at 3:35 AM, Milla said:

should these public statements by Norwegian officials factor into how we plan future aid and cooperation with Norway?

We Americans don’t care. It’s your funeral, the American public at large has already begun to question the value of upholding the NATO Alliance as it currently stands. There isn’t any real strategic threat the dying Russians can do to America. They are going away. Your biggest threat isn’t just Russia, it’s France, Germany, the old imperial power. We’re still the world’s Superpower as disinterested as we are. And by virtue, still the only country able to guarantee security. No other country has ever been able to successfully invade another Continent except the Americans. So for any regional power to get their way, like Russia, it would inevitably require the tacit approval from the US or they’ll quickly find themselves the target of our military intervention or ordinance. America possesses the power to reshape this planet, don’t provoke it.

Edited August 25, 2025 by paxamericana

[John Stone]

On 8/25/2025 at 12:08 AM, paxamericana said:

We Americans don’t care. It’s your funeral, the American public at large has already begun to question the value of upholding the NATO Alliance as it currently stands. There isn’t any real strategic threat the dying Russians can do to America. They are going away. Your biggest threat isn’t just Russia, it’s France, Germany, the old imperial power. We’re still the world’s Superpower as disinterested as we are. And by virtue, still the only country able to guarantee security. No other country has ever been able to successfully invade another Continent except the Americans. So for any regional power to get their way, like Russia, it would inevitably require the tacit approval from the US or they’ll quickly find themselves the target of our military intervention or ordinance. America possesses the power to reshape this planet, don’t provoke it.

RE: There isn’t any real strategic threat the dying Russians can do to America. 

Russia has over 5K nucs? 

Russia / China dominate global nuclear trade. 

Do u believe the U.S. would respect these countries (including NK) if they didn't possess these fusion weapons  and platforms to deliver them?

Do u believe Ukraine would be staring into the abyss if they hadn't relinquished their stockpile. 

Russia could annihilate the U.S. while Congress was debating going to war - the infrastructure to act quickly is suspect in the U.S. 

[paxamericana]

39 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Russia has over 5K nucs? 

And? They have 5k because their nukes sucks. The problem with nukes is that everyone has them. And once you use it, the gloves are off. Russia is not a country , it is a city state, specifically Moscow. For Russia to fall, it would require an uprising in Moscow, something that can and does occur regularly in Russian history. There are better weapons than nukes.
 

 

[John Stone]

44 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

And? They have 5k because their nukes sucks. The problem with nukes is that everyone has them. And once you use it, the gloves are off. Russia is not a country , it is a city state, specifically Moscow. For Russia to fall, it would require an uprising in Moscow, something that can and does occur regularly in Russian history. There are better weapons than nukes.
 

Ur hubris is not reassuring. That said, I don't think either one of us are qualified to argue the degree of potency each country possesses except to agree that there is enough 'bang' to make the rubble bounce a few times.  

Don't hold ur breath for any type of insurgency in Russia - Russia is a country where simply mouthing the word, 'war' when describing the so-called 'police action' in Ukraine can get you an all expense paid trip to the 'gulag'. Utter and absolute control. 

 

44 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

And? They have 5k because their nukes sucks. The problem with nukes is that everyone has them. And once you use it, the gloves are off. Russia is not a country , it is a city state, specifically Moscow. For Russia to fall, it would require an uprising in Moscow, something that can and does occur regularly in Russian history. There are better weapons than nukes.
 

 

 

[Nationalist]

On 12/8/2025 at 10:42 AM, paxamericana said:

And? They have 5k because their nukes sucks. The problem with nukes is that everyone has them. And once you use it, the gloves are off. Russia is not a country , it is a city state, specifically Moscow. For Russia to fall, it would require an uprising in Moscow, something that can and does occur regularly in Russian history. There are better weapons than nukes.
 

 

Interesting. 

Pax, you're making the same mistake NATO has made. Underestimating Russia.

Tell me...what tangible benefits have been gained by the Ukraine war?

By the end of this year, the USA, Russia and China will firm up their influence on their respective global spheres and the 3 will control the world jointly.

Its the most rational outcome. It saves America's waning hegemony and brings order to most of the world.

[paxamericana]

39 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its the most rational outcome. It saves America's waning hegemony and brings order to most of the world.

This is a common misperception, Russia is ending within our lifetime, China is ending this decade regardless of what happens in Ukraine or Taiwan. They’re both in terminal demographic decline as is much of the west. When the Median age of your population enters 40+ years it’s not biologically possible to recover demographically. I’m not concerned with Russia or China in the long term. That doesn’t mean there won’t be issue with the collapse of both countries. The power you should be concerned with is France, Turkey, Iran, India. They’re the countries most likely to pursue military adventurism in the future. We’re re entering a familiar period of history where dog eat dog and winner takes all. Which baffles me as to why the western countries don’t appease America. We’ve your only hope and the youngest of the developed world. That’s certainly Trump’s view and is supported by demographic reality.

Edited January 5 by paxamericana

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

This is a common misperception, Russia is ending within our lifetime, China is ending this decade regardless of what happens in Ukraine or Taiwan. They’re both in terminal demographic decline as is much of the west. When the Median age of your population enters 40+ years it’s not biologically possible to recover demographically. I’m not concerned with Russia or China in the long term. That doesn’t mean there won’t be issue with the collapse of both countries. The power you should be concerned with is France, Turkey, Iran, India. They’re the countries most likely to pursue military adventurism in the future. We’re re entering a familiar period of history where dog eat dog and winner takes all.

Turkey and Iran i can see muddying the waters. But France? The French are a bunch of pompous asses and their nation is now polluted by Muslims so bad that it's becoming a failed state. As for India...I'll worry about them when they learn to implement proper plumbing.

No. If the USA wants to maintain Superpower status, they'll have to share that power with Russia and China.