Eagle Mutiliations

[scribblet]

Hope these guys get a good stiff sentence - in a federal jail. What part of 'its wrong to kill eagles' don't they understand.

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11 men arrested in B.C. eagle mutilations.

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Sun, 30 Apr 2006

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A North Vancouver RCMP spokesperson said the men – who are all from British Columbia – face 105 charges in total.

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The B. C. Conservation Officer Service, with help from various agencies in Canada and the United States, conducted an investigation after at least 50 carcasses were found in North Vancouver in February 2005.

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About 40 of the eagle carcasses were buried in a shallow grave on the Burrard First Nations reserve. The legs and feathers had been cut off, investigators said.

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Eagle feathers and talons are used in some traditional aboriginal outfits and ceremonies. For these purposes, permits are issued for First Nations to use eagles that have died naturally – but sometimes the birds are killed for the parts.

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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...aths060430.html

[geoffrey]

You know what, if it was one eagle, or two eagles, then fine whatever they are making their traditional stuff. I really could care less, it would have a very small impact on the population. But slaughtering 40 eagles, obviously to collect the feathers for massive profit (they are very valuable), is both against our laws and I believe its against the traditional laws of the Indians. I don't think they'd be all about killing eagles for money.

I'll give credit where it is due:

"In our community view, this sort of activity is criminal and must be dealt with in that manner. In our view, the courtroom is the best venue for these kinds of activities to be dealt with," she said on the weekend."

- Leah George-Wilson, a spokeswoman for the Burrard band.

So the Indians don't like it. The RCMP doesn't like it. I don't see much problem prosecuting these people.

As a hunter, I believe in the sustainable development concept. Thats not a sustainable use of wildlife, and so it really is an attack on all Canadians.

[PocketRocket]

The guys should be tarred-and-feathered.

But not with eagle feathers.

[Temagami Scourge]

It's too bad they won't go through a traditional Aboriginal court (especially out in Ontario). They'd be killed for trespassing on someone else's grounds, and the problem would be solved. In fact, their own family would have to execute them.

The same went for wife-beaters and murderers.

I'd give 'em a chance though, and make them swim Burrard Inlet without a PFD. If they made it across, then they are free.

[geoffrey]

It's too bad they won't go through a traditional Aboriginal court (especially out in Ontario). They'd be killed for trespassing on someone else's grounds, and the problem would be solved. In fact, their own family would have to execute them.

The same went for wife-beaters and murderers.

I'd give 'em a chance though, and make them swim Burrard Inlet without a PFD. If they made it across, then they are free.

That is about the most inhumane statement I've ever heard.

I can't wait until the Indians get more self-government. When they start executing each other over conservation offenses, then we'll see how quickly we need to kick them off the reserves and into real jobs and life.

[Temagami Scourge]

That is about the most inhumane statement I've ever heard.

I can't wait until the Indians get more self-government. When they start executing each other over conservation offenses, then we'll see how quickly we need to kick them off the reserves and into real jobs and life.

I'm sorry you feel that way Geoff. However, we've played by Canadian rules, and all I see my taxes going to is to keep a line of Clifford Olsen's, Robert Pickton's and Paul Bernardoes having a good laugh at the rest of us while in jail.

To me, that signals failure in your system , so we (I'm referring to Natives) may as well re-insitute our own.

Happy Seal hunting Geoff!

[geoffrey]

That is about the most inhumane statement I've ever heard.

I can't wait until the Indians get more self-government. When they start executing each other over conservation offenses, then we'll see how quickly we need to kick them off the reserves and into real jobs and life.

I'm sorry you feel that way Geoff. However, we've played by Canadian rules, and all I see my taxes going to is to keep a line of Clifford Olsen's, Robert Pickton's and Paul Bernardoes having a good laugh at the rest of us while in jail.

To me, that signals failure in your system , so we (I'm referring to Natives) may as well re-insitute our own.

Happy Seal hunting Geoff!

Nothing wrong with Seal Hunting, or hunting Eagles for that matter, in a sustainable process.. We are talking about a breech in conservation law here.

We've stopped killing people in the real world for violation of spiritual codes for quite some time, few hundred years I think.

So instead of being humane and keeping people locked up and having them at least attempt at rehabilitation, we are just going to go willy-nilly executing everyone that breaks laws? How silly, I hope we don't go that way with justice.

[politika]

I'm sorry you feel that way Geoff. However, we've played by Canadian rules, and all I see my taxes going to is to keep a line of Clifford Olsen's, Robert Pickton's and Paul Bernardoes having a good laugh at the rest of us while in jail.

Your taxes?

[geoffrey]

I'm sorry you feel that way Geoff. However, we've played by Canadian rules, and all I see my taxes going to is to keep a line of Clifford Olsen's, Robert Pickton's and Paul Bernardoes having a good laugh at the rest of us while in jail.

Your taxes?

Actually politika, off-reserve Natives do pay taxes like you or I.

[scribblet]

That is about the most inhumane statement I've ever heard.

Nothing wrong with Seal Hunting, or hunting Eagles for that matter, in a sustainable process.. We are talking about a breech in conservation law here.

We've stopped killing people in the real world for violation of spiritual codes for quite some time, few hundred years I think.

So instead of being humane and keeping people locked up and having them at least attempt at rehabilitation, we are just going to go willy-nilly executing everyone that breaks laws? How silly, I hope we don't go that way with justice.

Hunting eagles to that extent is wrong, Seals are not in danger of extinction. I feel the same way toward the Inuit killing whales, they shouldn't be exempt, at least until we can get the whale population back to a more sustainable level.

Execution is too harsh for killing eagles, but they should get a good stiff sentence in a federal jail. Too many eagles and too many people involved, to let it go with a slap on the wrist.

[Drea]

Where does it say that the 11 men were native?

I didn't see it in the article.

Is this an assumption or fact?

[politika]

I'm sorry you feel that way Geoff. However, we've played by Canadian rules, and all I see my taxes going to is to keep a line of Clifford Olsen's, Robert Pickton's and Paul Bernardoes having a good laugh at the rest of us while in jail.

Your taxes?

Actually politika, off-reserve Natives do pay taxes like you or I.

They are still exempt from the 14% sales tax GST PST (Manitoba) though.

Sorry that was my fault, I didnt make it clear.

[scribblet]

Interesting read

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/eagleslaughter/

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...les-050406.html

VANCOUVER - B.C. conservation officers say they've identified a main suspect in the slaughter of dozens of bald eagles in North Vancouver, and are urging the man to turn himself in.

The province's Ministry of Water, Land and Air Protection said Wednesday that the suspect is a member of a B.C. First Nation.

It believes he may be part of a ring that has distributed eagle parts across North America to First Nations artists and other individuals.

[politika]

Interesting read

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/eagleslaughter/

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...les-050406.html

VANCOUVER - B.C. conservation officers say they've identified a main suspect in the slaughter of dozens of bald eagles in North Vancouver, and are urging the man to turn himself in.

The province's Ministry of Water, Land and Air Protection said Wednesday that the suspect is a member of a B.C. First Nation.

It believes he may be part of a ring that has distributed eagle parts across North America to First Nations artists and other individuals.

How stiff is sentencing of people who violate MNR Laws? I am a legal hunter but have never had to experience fines or jail time.

Just curious?

[geoffrey]

Well I know that they can take your house if you bring an illegally shot animal to it, anything involved in the crime is free to be taken away.

It's big trouble to be poaching, jail time wouldn't be a longshot for these guys.

[scribblet]

How stiff is sentencing of people who violate MNR Laws? I am a legal hunter but have never had to experience fines or jail time.

Just curious?

Stiff, if you caught you can loose your boat, truck everthing, could even lose your cottage. They confiscate everything, most legal hunters are aware this, and believe it to be a good deterrent.

[politika]

How stiff is sentencing of people who violate MNR Laws? I am a legal hunter but have never had to experience fines or jail time.

Just curious?

Stiff, if you caught you can loose your boat, truck everthing, could even lose your cottage. They confiscate everything, most legal hunters are aware this, and believe it to be a good deterrent.

Thanks, I just wasn't sure about that one I knew they were tough, I don't get to hunt much so my memories fading