USA as world police

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geoffrey

You wrote- " Uhhh... what's the point of democracizing then? Hypocritical."

You cannot force democracy on a country as it must be accepted and wanted.

The U.S. will deal with puppet regimes on mutual agreement whatever the issue may be.

The case with Iraq is a little different as it has an obligation to restore a functional system preferably in line with free world ideologies.

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I provided the fact that Reagan won the cold war. I provided the fact that the USA is the best option for a world enforcer.

Regean did not win the cold war - the soviet union would have collapsed on its own at the end of the 80s no matter what Reagan did because of its flawed economic model. The soviet union was able to keep going in the 70s because the high price of oil provided enough cash to keep the machinery working. When the price of oil collapsed the system could not sustain itself.

Good theory but with no evidence.

Reagan obviously won the cold war. I know guys, it's hard to take. Just live with it.

Do not forget that the US went into a depression in the mid 70's when it almost ran out of oil. OPEC shut the taps of really for the US's support of Israel during the October War on 1973. The US used about 70% of all oil produced globaly during those years. The US was forced to actually buy oil on the open markets at a higher cost and a higher price at the pumps.

Russia was in a mad spending spree to keep up with the US, the their economy needed a restructuring to accomodate the world markets, It just did not seem to fit. They ran out of cash, even with selling off technology and gear to other nations, they could not even pay their military anymore. Russia went broke. It was a flawed system that was doomed to fail, as I see capitolism eventualy failing as well.

Now Congress allows a bill to go through that will allow the US's national debt to slip from the current 6.2 trillion to 9 trillion dollars. This prevented the US from actually defaulting on some loans for the first time ever. The thing is now, oil markets are moving to the Euro. Plain and simple. The Europeans knew what they had to do. Lay down the hate and work together. Now everyone wants to deal with the Euro. Fresh new unified market. Iraq wanted to deal with the Euro. Iran wants to sell their oil in the Euro. I think Russia deals with the Euro and the Dollar. And hey, Russia's economy is getting better, still has a way to go, but it seems to be on the right track. Once people buy into the Euro on the oil market (US dollar being the dominant right now) they are going to ditch the greenback. The US will have to pay out somehow, but with a debt slipping to 9 trillion, don't expect things to get easier. And that will affect Canada's economy as well in a large way.

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Maybe the U.S. should start policing itself, instead of propping up puppet regimes and interfering in world affairs.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

What's wrong with puppet regimes?

For one that article newbie, shows that the crime rate is at a steady low for 5 years compared to the early 90s. And the population is much higher.... HOWEVER..

Harmid Karzai - Democraticly elected President of Afghanistan. The law of the land is the Sharia Law, based on Islamic law.

Recall what the law of the land was when the Taleban was ruling? Sharia Law

Two bits from this article is of importance :

The Taliban's popularity with the Afghan people surprised the country's other warring factions. Many Afghans, weary of conflict and anarchy, were relieved to see corrupt and often brutal warlords replaced by the devout Taliban, who had some success in eliminating corruption, restoring peace, and allowing commerce to resume.

and

The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.

And now they want to execute a man for having converted to Christianity? I don't believe the hype brother. I cannot buy this or swallow this.

[JerrySeinfeld]

geoffrey

You wrote- " Uhhh... what's the point of democracizing then? Hypocritical."

You cannot force democracy on a country as it must be accepted and wanted.

The U.S. will deal with puppet regimes on mutual agreement whatever the issue may be.

The case with Iraq is a little different as it has an obligation to restore a functional system preferably in line with free world ideologies.

Who said anything about democracizing?

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geoffrey

You wrote- " Uhhh... what's the point of democracizing then? Hypocritical."

You cannot force democracy on a country as it must be accepted and wanted.

The U.S. will deal with puppet regimes on mutual agreement whatever the issue may be.

The case with Iraq is a little different as it has an obligation to restore a functional system preferably in line with free world ideologies.

Who said anything about democracizing?

Liberators, state builders, democracy bringing, these are the goals of the US of A!!

[geoffrey]

If we had gone the lefty route, we would've stopped spending on military and the Soviets could have won.

Won what? The US and Britian had enough nukes in the 70s to ensured the Soviets could do nothing more than rattle sabres. The massive military spending did nothing to affect the final outcome other than possibly make it happen a few years sooner.

Superimpose that wuss mentality onto Iraq and we'd still be "containing" Saddam with sanctions at the cost of millions of civilian Iraqi lives.

At what cost? Bankrupting the US economy and creating another generation of terrorists out for American blood? Embolding Iran to the point where it is determined to acquire nukes no matter what the rest of the world says?

The Pope ended the cold war.

Who said anything about democracizing?

Bush is always saying bringing democracy to Iraq will make peace throughout the middle-east. Something I tend to agree with.

But installing puppets isn't bringing democracy, so its a hypocritical load of crap.

[JerrySeinfeld]

If we had gone the lefty route, we would've stopped spending on military and the Soviets could have won.

Won what? The US and Britian had enough nukes in the 70s to ensured the Soviets could do nothing more than rattle sabres. The massive military spending did nothing to affect the final outcome other than possibly make it happen a few years sooner.

Superimpose that wuss mentality onto Iraq and we'd still be "containing" Saddam with sanctions at the cost of millions of civilian Iraqi lives.

At what cost? Bankrupting the US economy and creating another generation of terrorists out for American blood? Embolding Iran to the point where it is determined to acquire nukes no matter what the rest of the world says?

The Pope ended the cold war.

Who said anything about democracizing?

Bush is always saying bringing democracy to Iraq will make peace throughout the middle-east. Something I tend to agree with.

But installing puppets isn't bringing democracy, so its a hypocritical load of crap.

Bush wasn't around for all the "puppet regimes" mentioned in earlier posts.

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Bush wasn't around for all the "puppet regimes" mentioned in earlier posts.

But his father was!! (GW's puppet regimes exist in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Ok Iraq not so sure, but Aghanistan is a puppet regime.)

[JerrySeinfeld]

Bush wasn't around for all the "puppet regimes" mentioned in earlier posts.

But his father was!! (GW's puppet regimes exist in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Ok Iraq not so sure, but Aghanistan is a puppet regime.)

Puppet regimes can be necessary evils when fighting the soviets. They did it too - in fact it was a commen tactic on both sides to avoid direct confrontation.

Check your Social Studies grade 10 text under "spheres of influence"

Now please give me an example of something in the present context or stop with this incongruent reasoning.

[GostHacked]

Bush wasn't around for all the "puppet regimes" mentioned in earlier posts.

But his father was!! (GW's puppet regimes exist in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Ok Iraq not so sure, but Aghanistan is a puppet regime.)

Puppet regimes can be necessary evils when fighting the soviets. They did it too - in fact it was a commen tactic on both sides to avoid direct confrontation.

Check your Social Studies grade 10 text under "spheres of influence"

Now please give me an example of something in the present context or stop with this incongruent reasoning.

Why are the necessary evils? I would assume there would be a serious draw back to this.

Yes I understand that Afghanistan was home to the Taleban. And the US supplied them with tech and weapons to combat the Soviets. Now that the Soviets have fallen, the US felt is was safe enough for them to clean up the mess they helped make.

Karzai is a damn puppet and you damn well know that. The government was elected sure, but the law of the land remains the same. In effect, no change at all. Only difference now is that the US can pull his strings from the saftey of the White House.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Bush wasn't around for all the "puppet regimes" mentioned in earlier posts.

But his father was!! (GW's puppet regimes exist in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Ok Iraq not so sure, but Aghanistan is a puppet regime.)

Puppet regimes can be necessary evils when fighting the soviets. They did it too - in fact it was a commen tactic on both sides to avoid direct confrontation.

Check your Social Studies grade 10 text under "spheres of influence"

Now please give me an example of something in the present context or stop with this incongruent reasoning.

Why are the necessary evils? I would assume there would be a serious draw back to this.

Yes I understand that Afghanistan was home to the Taleban. And the US supplied them with tech and weapons to combat the Soviets. Now that the Soviets have fallen, the US felt is was safe enough for them to clean up the mess they helped make.

Karzai is a damn puppet and you damn well know that. The government was elected sure, but the law of the land remains the same. In effect, no change at all. Only difference now is that the US can pull his strings from the saftey of the White House.

That's pure speculation - but u might be right: if it were a true muslim government the dude who tried to convert to christianity would be dead.