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[tml12]

There is a big difference between grammatical mistakes and flat out lying. You are guilty of both.

There is no reason to do my own research when your *evidence* proved what you said was wrong.

Boy, good for you Greg is tied up with more important business or you would definitely be gone.

But of course you are the Grammar master, and everything must be said perfectly around your precious little ears.

And to all of you who doubt me. Look it up. Do it yourself. Do some of your own reseasrch to refute what I say.

Glad to see this place is still pumpng out the Idiot Fuel I came back for.

Shoop,

Of all the people on this board you must take the most abuse (Snoopy and Sloopy Bully come to mind first).

But you can take solace in the following...when your opponent makes comments like "She jumped from a Conservative party that was increasing in popularity, to a Liberal party that was going to be thrown out of govt. in 48hrs." knowing damn well Stronach is the only reason the former Lib government survived, you know you've got him beat...

[shoop]

I was thinking of that name.

Who was it that used the *Sloopy Bull* one in the past. I am sure it is a former incarnation (likely banned) of The Honest Politician.

Shoop,

Of all the people on this board you must take the most abuse (Snoopy and Sloopy Bully come to mind first).

But you can take solace in the following...when your opponent makes comments like "She jumped from a Conservative party that was increasing in popularity, to a Liberal party that was going to be thrown out of govt. in 48hrs." knowing damn well Stronach is the only reason the former Lib government survived, you know you've got him beat...

Newbie, how exactly was I being a bully? I really don't understand that at all.

[tml12]

I was thinking of that name.

Who was it that used the *Sloopy Bull* one in the past. I am sure it is a former incarnation (likely banned) of The Honest Politician.

Shoop,

Of all the people on this board you must take the most abuse (Snoopy and Sloopy Bully come to mind first).

But you can take solace in the following...when your opponent makes comments like "She jumped from a Conservative party that was increasing in popularity, to a Liberal party that was going to be thrown out of govt. in 48hrs." knowing damn well Stronach is the only reason the former Lib government survived, you know you've got him beat...

Newbie, how exactly was I being a bully? I really don't understand that at all.

"Scarascof" AKA MapleSyrup/Mockingbird who came here in December? He called you that name and you got really pissed. Greg banned him ASAP.

[newbie]

You folks are overlooking the problem we have in Alberta. Honest Politician was trying to point out the crisis, even though he may have overstated some finer points. But it is clear there is a very serious problem, one of which is this:

http://www.cbc.ca/calgary/story/ca_shortage20060127.html

Shoop, I said bully tactics, a sematic difference. Threatening a member that he woud be banned if the moderator was around is a bully tactic in my eyes. And as far as who takes the most abuse, please do a search

Tml12. You might be surprised at some of the receipients of the tactics I fore mentioned.

[tml12]

You folks are overlooking the problem we have in Alberta. Honest Politician was trying to point out the crisis, even though he may have overstated some finer points. But it is clear there is a very serious problem, one of which is this:

http://www.cbc.ca/calgary/story/ca_shortage20060127.html

Shoop, I said bully tactics, a sematic difference. Threatening a member that he woud be banned if the moderator was around is a bully tactic in my eyes. And as far as who takes the most abuse, please do a search

Tml12. You might be surprised at some of the receipients of the tactics I fore mentioned.

Newbie,

Give an exape of those receipients I might be surprised by...I am not sure i understadn

[shoop]

Overstated some finer points?

Several hours in code red would be insane. If even once Calgary or Edmonton had been in code red for several hours there most likely would have been dozens of preventable deaths. Ohhh, it was several minutes. That is far, far more than merely some finer points.

I don't understand why you are standing up for HP newbie? If the rules of the board allowed it I would get into it with him. However, Greg has made it very clear that he wants a certain level of decorum maintained on this board. Given that Greg is going through a pretty important (and time consuming) period in his life I think we owe it to him to respect his wishes.

I have seen the offences that Greg does ban people for. I would bet anything that HP is Scarascof who has snuck back on the board.

Who do you think takes the most abuse on these boards?

You folks are overlooking the problem we have in Alberta. Honest Politician was trying to point out the crisis, even though he may have overstated some finer points. But it is clear there is a very serious problem, one of which is this:

http://www.cbc.ca/calgary/story/ca_shortage20060127.html

Shoop, I said bully tactics, a sematic difference. Threatening a member that he woud be banned if the moderator was around is a bully tactic in my eyes. And as far as who takes the most abuse, please do a search

Tml12. You might be surprised at some of the receipients of the tactics I fore mentioned.

[na85]

For the short while i've been here, I've noticed that shoop, tml12, newbie, and august all seem to take a fair amount of smack talk

[geoffrey]

For the short while i've been here, I've noticed that shoop, tml12, newbie, and august all seem to take a fair amount of smack talk

Shoop is definitely target number one. And I don't know why, we normally agree on most things, I take things one step further beyond politically correct, and he gets the flack. Unbelievable. I owe you a beer some day Shoop.

Maybe the problem is that this group tends to sit closest to the centre of the road (minus newb ), so they get run over by the cars in both directions.

[tml12]

For the short while i've been here, I've noticed that shoop, tml12, newbie, and august all seem to take a fair amount of smack talk

I practice brokerage politics and it seems like I am playing both sides I guess.

I tell it like it is and back up my views and statements with facts. Some of those views (i.e. the death penalty) anger a lot of people (Boru comes to mind) but they are true.

I also acknowledge when I am wrong.

I like a good political fight and admit I may be aggressive about some issues. Rest assured I respect your right to be whatever you are (left, right, and centre) as long as there is no hypocrisy involved...

[shoop]

It's a difficult cross to bear. I think part of it is why we are on the board in the first place. I am here to try and debate issues. Sometimes people immediately see debate as an affront and resort to insults. I tend to fight back when insulted, which isn't a good thing for making friends on a messge board.

Shoop is definitely target number one. And I don't know why, we normally agree on most things, I take things one step further beyond politically correct, and he gets the flack. Unbelievable. I owe you a beer some day Shoop.

Maybe the problem is that this group tends to sit closest to the centre of the road (minus newb ), so they get run over by the cars in both directions.

[Hicksey]

Never forget that some CPC members called her a Whore, for what she did. And Belinda atleast had an opposing view to SSM, and the proposed budget, to her party's official stance. She did not change political parties simply to be on the winning side.

Oh, of course she did. Don't be silly.

And in doing so she carefully timed her defection so she could extort a cabinet position. Because Martin's political survival was on the line he happily pandered to her political prostitution.

The difference between us and Liberals, is that we're outraged about Emerson. Liberals were calling Martin brilliant for engineering the Stronach defection and the Liberal media, in the most adolescent tone they could muster, told us "Neener! Neener! Neener!"

To us, Emerson is every bit the political prostitute Stronach was. IMO, the best thing that can happen is a by-election where Emerson loses his seat back to the Liberals. The last thing I wanted to see in parliament is a remnant of the corruption I voted against.

[shoop]

The sad thing is Liberal supporters are defending Belinda with the same breathe in which they attack Emerson.

Did Harper go about this incorrectly? Absolutely.

Should the supporters of the CPC learn a thing or two from this ... absolutely.

Overplaying the outrage at these events only plays into the Liberals hands. It gives credence to the argument that Conservatives don't know how to govern, yada yada.

Harper will have to make many tough choices as PM. Will we be happy with all of them? Undoubtedly no. Does that mean he should be hammered over and over in the press by his own *supporters*? Hmmm, maybe you should decide if you prefer government to opposition before deciding that one.

And in doing so she carefully timed her defection so she could extort a cabinet position. Because Martin's political survival was on the line he happily pandered to her political prostitution.

The difference between us and Liberals, is that we're outraged about Emerson. Liberals were calling Martin brilliant for engineering the Stronach defection and the Liberal media, in the most adolescent tone they could muster, told us "Neener! Neener! Neener!"

To us, Emerson is every bit the political prostitute Stronach was. IMO, the best thing that can happen is a by-election where Emerson loses his seat back to the Liberals. The last thing I wanted to see in parliament is a remnant of the corruption I voted against.

[Hicksey]

I just call them the way I see them. I discuss it. I'm open to other viewpoints if someone can point out to me where this does real good, I'm open to it.

So far all I see is a Harper with a lot of Martin in him. I wouldn't nearly this critical had Harper himself not set the ethical bar so high. You simply cannot ignore the sheer arrogance of Harper turning his back on his ethical promises on the first day. In the first hour.

Don't just downplay it. Show us why it should be. What was he thinking? If this is a good move for both the CPC and Canadians, how so?

The sad thing is Liberal supporters are defending Belinda with the same breathe in which they attack Emerson.

Did Harper go about this incorrectly? Absolutely.

Should the supporters of the CPC learn a thing or two from this ... absolutely.

Overplaying the outrage at these events only plays into the Liberals hands. It gives credence to the argument that Conservatives don't know how to govern, yada yada.

Harper will have to make many tough choices as PM. Will we be happy with all of them? Undoubtedly no. Does that mean he should be hammered over and over in the press by his own *supporters*? Hmmm, maybe you should decide if you prefer government to opposition before deciding that one.

And in doing so she carefully timed her defection so she could extort a cabinet position. Because Martin's political survival was on the line he happily pandered to her political prostitution.

The difference between us and Liberals, is that we're outraged about Emerson. Liberals were calling Martin brilliant for engineering the Stronach defection and the Liberal media, in the most adolescent tone they could muster, told us "Neener! Neener! Neener!"

To us, Emerson is every bit the political prostitute Stronach was. IMO, the best thing that can happen is a by-election where Emerson loses his seat back to the Liberals. The last thing I wanted to see in parliament is a remnant of the corruption I voted against.

[tml12]

The sad thing is Liberal supporters are defending Belinda with the same breathe in which they attack Emerson.

Did Harper go about this incorrectly? Absolutely.

Should the supporters of the CPC learn a thing or two from this ... absolutely.

Overplaying the outrage at these events only plays into the Liberals hands. It gives credence to the argument that Conservatives don't know how to govern, yada yada.

Harper will have to make many tough choices as PM. Will we be happy with all of them? Undoubtedly no. Does that mean he should be hammered over and over in the press by his own *supporters*? Hmmm, maybe you should decide if you prefer government to opposition before deciding that one.

And in doing so she carefully timed her defection so she could extort a cabinet position. Because Martin's political survival was on the line he happily pandered to her political prostitution.

The difference between us and Liberals, is that we're outraged about Emerson. Liberals were calling Martin brilliant for engineering the Stronach defection and the Liberal media, in the most adolescent tone they could muster, told us "Neener! Neener! Neener!"

To us, Emerson is every bit the political prostitute Stronach was. IMO, the best thing that can happen is a by-election where Emerson loses his seat back to the Liberals. The last thing I wanted to see in parliament is a remnant of the corruption I voted against.

As Harper supporters, we can be critical of the PM.

I, for one, will not sit here and argue that Harper made the right decision. I was critical of Belinda and I am critical of Emerson. As my signature may indiciate, there generally is no loyalty in modern politics. Yet, that doesn't mean individual politicians should not strive for loyalty.

Emerson screwed up and he looks bad because he did wrong. Harper communicated this thing the whole way. This whole thing played out terribly because of stubbornness.

Hicksey is right that if Harper hadn't said the bar so high we'd be less critical. How was this a good move? It can't just be about representation?

That all being said, the best man for Canada is still in 24 Sussex Drive and we must not fully evaluate Harper until he is finished governing. This government is far from falling...

[Hicksey]

He pulls together a cabinet out of the best offered to him by all the voters in this country and not just those who voted for him. This includes someone from another party, universally seen as qualified for the post, even perhaps the best man for the post.

Interesting spin on the Emerson defection from right wing blogger Angry in the Great White North

I think its funny and sad all at the same time. It amazing to me how some people will play the role of the apologist for their political party. Don't these people realize that if we don't hold him to his promises, nobody will?

[Spike22]

I am afraid the conservatives right out of the gate are as big a party of dolts as the liberals. Pitiful - no wonder we have no clear choice in this country and have back to back minority governements. If this is as good as it gets (and usually is with any new government), hold on folks this could be a rocky ride.

[na85]

You think Stephen Harper, Paul Martin, and Jack Layton are as good as it gets? You poor disillusioned boy.

[tml12]

You think Stephen Harper, Paul Martin, and Jack Layton are as good as it gets? You poor disillusioned boy.

I think we can agree on that...

Although the verdict is still out on PM Harper...

[na85]

He's not a leader. That much is evident from his personality. He might be a decent politician, but this is a far cry from being a good leader.

[sage]

He's not a leader. That much is evident from his personality. He might be a decent politician, but this is a far cry from being a good leader.

You don't have to be Trudeau, wearing ridiculous costumes and doing dumb things to be a leader.

I know you weren't specifically referencing Trdeau, but much of the time when people are complaining about Harper, that is who they dig up from the past, and speak of "charisma", more specifically Harper's lack thereof.

If Layton has taught us anything its that leadership requires more then a personality. In terms of what Harper has engineered, its difficult not to give him credit for the amalgamation of the Tories.

Don't get me wrong, Harper is not the person that embodies every attribute you would want in a leader, but he has accomplished something, which means he obviously has some qualifications for leadership.

[uOttawaMan]

He's not a leader. That much is evident from his personality. He might be a decent politician, but this is a far cry from being a good leader.

You don't have to be Trudeau, wearing ridiculous costumes and doing dumb things to be a leader.

I know you weren't specifically referencing Trdeau, but much of the time when people are complaining about Harper, that is who they dig up from the past, and speak of "charisma", more specifically Harper's lack thereof.

If Layton has taught us anything its that leadership requires more then a personality. In terms of what Harper has engineered, its difficult not to give him credit for the amalgamation of the Tories.

Don't get me wrong, Harper is not the person that embodies every attribute you would want in a leader, but he has accomplished something, which means he obviously has some qualifications for leadership.

Or he stumbled his way into a can't lose scenario and just ran a near perfect campaign ( which i applaud) and now is drunk on power and is eating all of our cookies.

[Argus]

He pulls together a cabinet out of the best offered to him by all the voters in this country and not just those who voted for him. This includes someone from another party, universally seen as qualified for the post, even perhaps the best man for the post.

Interesting spin on the Emerson defection from right wing blogger Angry in the Great White North

I think its funny and sad all at the same time. It amazing to me how some people will play the role of the apologist for their political party. Don't these people realize that if we don't hold him to his promises, nobody will?

What promise did Harper break?

[sage]

Or he stumbled his way into a can't lose scenario and just ran a near perfect campaign ( which i applaud) and now is drunk on power and is eating all of our cookies.

He managed to lose the campaign the first time it was ran 2 years ago, so its hard to see how it was a "can't lose scenario".

[tml12]

He's not a leader. That much is evident from his personality. He might be a decent politician, but this is a far cry from being a good leader.

He hasn't had one day as PM in the House of Commons and you can make a bold statement like that???

[na85]

You don't have to be Trudeau, wearing ridiculous costumes and doing dumb things to be a leader.

I know you weren't specifically referencing Trdeau, but much of the time when people are complaining about Harper, that is who they dig up from the past, and speak of "charisma", more specifically Harper's lack thereof.

If Layton has taught us anything its that leadership requires more then a personality. In terms of what Harper has engineered, its difficult not to give him credit for the amalgamation of the Tories.

Don't get me wrong, Harper is not the person that embodies every attribute you would want in a leader, but he has accomplished something, which means he obviously has some qualifications for leadership.

Actually if you asked me to dig up a politician from ages past that exhibited a natural leadership ability I would have pointed you to Lester B Pearson.

Or he stumbled his way into a can't lose scenario and just ran a near perfect campaign ( which i applaud) and now is drunk on power and is eating all of our cookies.

Overstatement.

He's not a leader. That much is evident from his personality. He might be a decent politician, but this is a far cry from being a good leader.

He hasn't had one day as PM in the House of Commons and you can make a bold statement like that???

He led his party for much longer than a day. One's leadership abilities aren't judged soley by one's ability to act like a PM in office. Leaders exude a sense of vision, and inspire those around them to surpass themselves and the status quo. Stephen Harper does neither. As I said earlier, he is a decent politician but not a 'leader'.