Should Harper govern like a majority?

[Drea]

I think Harper should govern like there's no tomorrow.

He should try to impliment every plan he has, from the cut to the gst to renegging (sp) on SSM (and whatever other hidden adgenda's he has)

He should go for it.

Then see how long it takes for moderate people who voted for him to run screaming back to the centrists.

GO HARPER!

[Spike22]

Run like your da boss. Pussy footing around kissing arses will last about a year and then we'll punt yer party outta office.

Realistically party pressure will make you snuggle up to anyone that will help you move your party's agenda

forward. Good luck and see you at the poles in 2007-2008.

[Drea]

Run like your da boss. Pussy footing around kissing arses will last about a year and then we'll punt yer party outta office.

Realistically party pressure will make you snuggle up to anyone that will help you move your party's agenda

forward. Good luck and see you at the poles in 2007-2008.

Let's hold off until '08, when at the same time Hillary Clinton will be running against some backwater, redneck republican.

I can see it now, President Hillary Clinton and Prime Minister Belinda Stronach -- wouldn't THAT be a switcheroo in North America!

[tml12]

Oliver Craig aired an advice to Harper, that he should govern like he has the majority. Keep his focus on his platform and stick to his principles and not to compromise his policy. He further criticised that Martin compromised everything.

Do you agree with Craig? Is it wise to rule like as if he has the majority?

Not being a supporter of Harper, I very much hope he does rule like he has a majority.

He was elected on Liberal corruption, not his platform. I can't wait to see the same sex marriage vote!

My prediction is another election within 18 months. People are already wondering WTF is up with Harper (shaking his kids hands....gratuitous anti-americanism) and that's after just one speach! Liberals will have done thier "time out" in the eyes of the public, and the election will become one of merits. So far, it looks like a sock puppet could defeat Harper if the issue becomes merit.

Gerry,

What would you rather him do, kiss his kids romantically on the lips?

And gratuitously anti-American? WTF?

My prediction is clear Harper majority in 18 months with the Marxist-Leninist Party in oppisition after the public decided whether or not they want a Belinda-Brison dream, the Bloc's separatist message, or the NDP's "government knows best" message.

[tml12]

Run like your da boss. Pussy footing around kissing arses will last about a year and then we'll punt yer party outta office.

Realistically party pressure will make you snuggle up to anyone that will help you move your party's agenda

forward. Good luck and see you at the poles in 2007-2008.

Let's hold off until '08, when at the same time Hillary Clinton will be running against some backwater, redneck republican.

I can see it now, President Hillary Clinton and Prime Minister Belinda Stronach -- wouldn't THAT be a switcheroo in North America!

Bermuda would be looking pretty good at that point...

[Drea]

My prediction is clear Harper majority in 18 months with the Marxist-Leninist Party in oppisition after the public decided whether or not they want a Belinda-Brison dream, the Bloc's separatist message, or the NDP's "government knows best" message.

In your wet dreams.

Canadians for the most part are centrists. The minute Harper pulls the "morality rabbit" out of his hat, he can kiss his butt goodbye.

Pfft. Marxist Lennonist, give me a break.

[tml12]

My prediction is clear Harper majority in 18 months with the Marxist-Leninist Party in oppisition after the public decided whether or not they want a Belinda-Brison dream, the Bloc's separatist message, or the NDP's "government knows best" message.

In your wet dreams.

Canadians for the most part are centrists. The minute Harper pulls the "morality rabbit" out of his hat, he can kiss his butt goodbye.

Pfft. Marxist Lennonist, give me a break.

Only because the Liberals have convinced Canadians they are centrists. Before Trudeau, Canada was a centre-right country and proud of it.

Where have all the flags gone?

Where have all our values gone?

[Spike22]

He's da man right now. Tough on crime, free vote to rid marriage of da fags & lesbo's, beefing up the military, eliminating political curruption, arming the border guards[you can come out now the shootings over], helping every city, joining hands across the nation singing cum ba ya (sorry that was one thing Harper voted against doing).

Polotics is a dirty game and if he can get into bed with the right parties at the right time and if they don't respond to their plans he should and probably will use the media to undermind the party(s) that don't support their conservative initiatives. This will make them [those opposed], if properly managed, look like dolts. We will see how the advisors/handlers, MPs and the PM handle these situations once the first major platform item is tackled. Should be great fun to watch.

[shoop]

See Drea,

What do you call the "morality rabbit"? Yes, SSM will be revisited. That alone won't be enough for the Conservatives to lose government. No other "morality rabbit's" likely to be pulled out of the hat.

While you clearly won't open your mind to Prime Minister Harper *ever* enough Canadians did to entrust him with running our government.

The Conservatives will govern for longer than the Liberals did in this recently passed minority government because the Liberals need time to pick a new leader.

Who knows when the leadership convention will be, but it could be as long as 15 months from now.

As that time passes and people see the Liberals *scary* *scary* *scary* was just empty rhetoric, the CPC will be well positioned to win a majority.

In your wet dreams.

Canadians for the most part are centrists. The minute Harper pulls the "morality rabbit" out of his hat, he can kiss his butt goodbye.

Pfft. Marxist Lennonist, give me a break.

[gerryhatrick]

The "Canadian" way, more often than not, is the American way with lots of denial and more than a but if repugnance...

Why do you hate Canada?

[gerryhatrick]

Gerry,

What would you rather him do, kiss his kids romantically on the lips?

Oh you're confused, I don't care if he shakes his kids hands. I'm just telling you that a lot of people thought it was wierd. I actually think it was just camera shyness.....I do, however, think it was incredibly stupid to allow cameras to film him walking his kids to school. If that's any indication of his intelligence then we're in for a treat.

And gratuitously anti-American? WTF?

Isn't that what it's called when you stand up for Canada to the USA? Oh...I forgot......it's a Conservative government now.

[Drea]

See Drea,

What do you call the "morality rabbit"? Yes, SSM will be revisited. That alone won't be enough for the Conservatives to lose government. No other "morality rabbit's" likely to be pulled out of the hat.

Most Canadians simply believe the govt has no business in the bedroom. Period.

While you clearly won't open your mind to Prime Minister Harper *ever* enough Canadians did to entrust him with running our government.

Only because there was simply no other choice. If the NDP were more mainstream they'd have the minority today. The Liberals really screwed up but they aren't going away. They are the official opposition, in case you've forgotten already.

BTW, I'm not a Liberal. I'm a centrist. There are many issues in which I agree with Harper, crime being one of them.

The Conservatives will govern for longer than the Liberals did in this recently passed minority government because the Liberals need time to pick a new leader.

Your psychic?

The Conservatives are basically neutered in their current role. They can't implement their entire adgenda as the other party MP's have a vote and issues that are not popular with the majority (all parties) will not fly.

The Liberals need to regroup. Heck I think they should change the name, come out all shiny brand new like the conservatives did.

Who knows when the leadership convention will be, but it could be as long as 15 months from now.

As that time passes and people see the Liberals *scary* *scary* *scary* was just empty rhetoric, the CPC will be well positioned to win a majority.

Ha! They'll bait Canadians with centrist policies until they've convinced everyone that they aren't planning on any major changes. After they get the majority they'll pounce on us with all their rightwing, neo-con plans.

[tml12]

The "Canadian" way, more often than not, is the American way with lots of denial and more than a but if repugnance...

Why do you hate Canada?

Way to answer a question with a question.

You know quite well that is exactly how it is in this country.

I had a friend of mine from TO who collected dolls and she raved about American consumerism. When I pointed out that she collected dolls, and that that was in and of itself a form of consumerism, she was speechless. "I said Americans were consumeristic," she said, "I am Canadian...I am above that and I collect dolls."

No Americanistic denial and repugnance there...

[tml12]

Gerry,

What would you rather him do, kiss his kids romantically on the lips?

Oh you're confused, I don't care if he shakes his kids hands. I'm just telling you that a lot of people thought it was wierd. I actually think it was just camera shyness.....I do, however, think it was incredibly stupid to allow cameras to film him walking his kids to school. If that's any indication of his intelligence then we're in for a treat.

And gratuitously anti-American? WTF?

Isn't that what it's called when you stand up for Canada to the USA? Oh...I forgot......it's a Conservative government now.

My father shook my hand when I was a kid. Coming from my father, who was a lot smarter than me when I was 7, that was a sign of respect.

And Harper saying he'll stand up for Canadian sovereignty is a lot different than the Liberals saying "the U.S. is not our country," "Damn Americans, I hate the bastards," and other quite awful and dithering, anti-American remarks.

[tml12]

Drea,

"Most Canadians simply believe the govt has no business in the bedroom. Period."

Ah, not true and also not all socially bankrupt lefty stuff happens in the bedroom. Frankly, what happens in the bedroom I could care less about.

[shoop]

You understand why it is so difficult to believe your first claim when you make the last one in the same post.

I really hope the Liberals try the "They weren't scary in a minority, but wait to see what they will do with a majority - card."

Sad, sad, sad. Harper doesn't just want six years in the top job. Two majorities would give him a lot of time to leave his impression on the country.

I'm a centrist. There are many issues in which I agree with Harper.

Ha! They'll bait Canadians with centrist policies until they've convinced everyone that they aren't planning on any major changes. After they get the majority they'll pounce on us with all their rightwing, neo-con plans.

[Drea]

You understand why it is so difficult to believe your first claim when you make the last one in the same post.

I really hope the Liberals try the "They weren't scary in a minority, but wait to see what they will do with a majority - card."

Sad, sad, sad. Harper doesn't just want six years in the top job. Two majorities would give him a lot of time to leave his impression on the country.

I'm a centrist. There are many issues in which I agree with Harper.

Ha! They'll bait Canadians with centrist policies until they've convinced everyone that they aren't planning on any major changes. After they get the majority they'll pounce on us with all their rightwing, neo-con plans.

Guess yah didnt' see the winking icon.... -------------->

I'm a centrist -- there are some (I didn't mean many) issues in which I agree with the cons -- crime, military and our justice system could really use an overhaul.

[shoop]

Fair enough. I think you missed the point in saying the Conservatives are neutered with a minority.

Just because the *Liberals* behaved as if they were neutered when they were in minority doesn't mean the Conservatives have to.

There is very little chance of an election in the next 18 months. So the Conservatives can be much more assertive than the Liberals were. Besides peddling his arse to try and get every little piece of legislation passed only added to Martin's well deserved Mr. Dither's label.

Don't expect to see the same out of the Conservatives. Harper has proven his ability to pull together an electoral coalition while staying true to his principles. No one thought he could that. Expect to see many similar things in parliament...

Guess yah didnt' see the winking icon.... -------------->

I'm a centrist -- there are some (I didn't mean many) issues in which I agree with the cons -- crime, military and our justice system could really use an overhaul.

[Drea]

Fair enough. I think you missed the point in saying the Conservatives are neutered with a minority.

Just because the *Liberals* behaved as if they were neutered when they were in minority doesn't mean the Conservatives have to.

Uh, yes they do have to "behave"(be-neutered)

They have to be centrists because most Canadians are.

Now, if they had a majority, they could act like a dictatorship ala GW Bush (ala Martin, according to the rants of rightwing posters -- "Waaaah! We've been living under a liberal dictatorship!") LOL.

Re: Marijuana -- that American fellow that was extradited to the US, he got what, 4 months for smoking pot. Just try it Mr. Harper.

Re: Roe vs Wade -- The US is on the verge of overturning this verdict. Just try it Mr. Harper.

Re: Iraq -- just try it Mr. Harper.

Re: religion, ie the Lord's Prayer in public schools -- Just try it Mr. Harper.

Re: renegging on SSM -- just try it Mr. Harper.

We (the centrist majority) don't want someone's "idea of morals" shoved down our throats.

Did you notice how "liberal" your once ultra-rightwing, conservative Christian leader has become over the past 6 months?

Did you notice how quickly he dropped the religious fanatics?

Why is he no longer pandering to them (at least in public)? Because the majority of us centrists want nothing to do with misguided religions and misguided "morality".

We see what is happening with our southern neighbour and we don't want to go there.

Do you know that there is a HUGE billboard in the Grand Canyon that reads: "The Grand Canyon is 4,000 years old"?

Did you know that they are teaching creation in schools in the southern states. They are teaching it as science, not theology -- to grade school students, not university students... They are teaching it as though it's actual proven fact. Which it isn't.

It's well known that Harper admires the US and it's ideals. Will he try to make us over "in their image"? Perhaps, perhaps not, but I am not willing to give him the power to do so.

So run your neutered govt, Mr. Harper, glad to see you are being so "liberal". We centrists thank you. We don't trust you, but we thank you.

[tml12]

"Uh, yes they do have to "behave"(be-neutered)

They have to be centrists because most Canadians are."

Any stats to back that up? Because unless you live in left-wing Ontario, I think not.

"Now, if they had a majority, they could act like a dictatorship ala GW Bush (ala Martin, according to the rants of rightwing posters -- "Waaaah! We've been living under a liberal dictatorship!") LOL."

You Libs really like to compare Harper to Bush when there is no evidence of the kind, eh?

"Re: Marijuana -- that American fellow that was extradited to the US, he got what, 4 months for smoking pot. Just try it Mr. Harper."

Ah, he was acquited for smoking pot. He was put in jail for peyote and magic mushroom possession (bad move, even I tried them back in the day).

"Re: Roe vs Wade -- The US is on the verge of overturning this verdict. Just try it Mr. Harper."

Ah, I don't think so but OK.

"Re: Iraq -- just try it Mr. Harper."

Canada is already in Iraq, about as much as our depleted military can handle but OK.

"Re: religion, ie the Lord's Prayer in public schools -- Just try it Mr. Harper."

Now you're really pushing it...

"Re: renegging on SSM -- just try it Mr. Harper."

Most Canadians that don't live in Toronto don't support government defining SSM...

"We (the centrist majority) don't want someone's "idea of morals" shoved down our throats.

Did you notice how "liberal" your once ultra-rightwing, conservative Christian leader has become over the past 6 months?

Did you notice how quickly he dropped the religious fanatics?

Why is he no longer pandering to them (at least in public)? Because the majority of us centrists want nothing to do with misguided religions and misguided "morality"."

Ah, Harper is very conservative and pro-Canada and pro-family rights. He became more mainstream unfortunately because in this country you need to suck up to Ontario to win seats. I, for one, say screw Ontario. They have been living off Alberta and the West and other productive areas of Canada for years while only complaining in return. I hope Harper gets a majority and makes Canada a real country soon enough. I hope Harper calls an election while the Liberals are leaderless and vulnerable, much like Chretien did in 1997 when he won a majority by fixing the election here on the Island of Montreal (shows you how bad his government was, having to fix the election to win a majority when the Leader of the Opposition is nonexistent) but whatever...

"We see what is happening with our southern neighbour and we don't want to go there."

Yeah I really hope we never have lower taxes, a strong army, and the best free market government in the world...

"Do you know that there is a HUGE billboard in the Grand Canyon that reads: "The Grand Canyon is 4,000 years old"?

Did you know that they are teaching creation in schools in the southern states. They are teaching it as science, not theology -- to grade school students, not university students... They are teaching it as though it's actual proven fact. Which it isn't."

Ah, the U.S. is not Mississippi so I would just calm down. Of course, to your average far left-wing Canadian it is and that is why anti-Americanism is prevalent in this country. Who cares what is done in a Mississippi schoolroom...that is neither mainstream U.S. nor mainstream Harper government Canada...

"It's well known that Harper admires the US and it's ideals. Will he try to make us over "in their image"? Perhaps, perhaps not, but I am not willing to give him the power to do so."

So am I, I hope we are a strong country again...

"So run your neutered govt, Mr. Harper, glad to see you are being so "liberal". We centrists thank you. We don't trust you, but we thank you. "

Harper will, unfortunately, have to appease the left-wing opposition for a time but I am a string believer he can get the string majority Canada needs to get itself back on track soon because, unfortunately, it will take a CPC majority to bring this country kiciking and screaming into the 21st century...

[Drea]

Bringing this country into the 21st century...

I suggest you read the book "The World is Flat" by Thomas L. Friedman

It describes how the world is becoming more and more left of centre. There's a 'levelling' of equality happening in many countries -- India, China, Russia, the EU. All are moving toward more a "people" centred way of life.

Not communism, silly. Capitalism. But not in the sense we know it now with it's huge corporations, back-room deals, mergers and corruption.

A person living in India can now do your taxes. That's right! You can email him your tax return and he'll complete it and send it in for you, probably for less than five bucks. Western economies can't compete with these burgeoning world entreprenuers. These people are highly educated, much more so than our citizens (both US and Canada).

Where I work, we send our rough artwork via computer to our head office about 100km away and they send back the finished product. Who's to say we can't send that artwork to India and have it done exactly the same way for a much lower cost? Our graphic artists are union. An Indian would do the job for probably a tenth of the cost.

In the near future there'll be no such things as trade barriers and tariffs. Goods and services will flow across the earth powered by the individual, not by corporations.

We can credit technology for this global change. Practically everyone on earth has access to everyone else; and the technology improves itself daily making it increasingly easy to buy and sell goods and information.

Third world countries (India and China in particular) are now discovering the benefits of capitalism and are (at long last) able to afford the things we in the west have taken for granted since the 50's.

From the book:

"The inexorable march of technology and capital will remove all barriers, boundaries, frictions, and restraints to global commerce."

The attitude of the current US administration is certainly NOT conducive to global open trade. On the contrary, it is in direct opposition to it.

And no, I don't want Canada to emulate US foreign/trade policies. That would certainly not bring us into the 21st century, but put us back to the days of conquest and imperialism.

[shoop]

Drea,

I must admit that the new Friedman book is on my to read list.

Please, please, please explain how any of this relates to the Conservative Party of Canada. The party that has given the strongest endorsement of expanding Canada's network of free trade partners and is the most open to international investment in Canada.

Maybe a different thread is in order for a tangent this far from the rest of the posts on the thread...

I pretty much agree with TML's response to your earlier rant.

Prayer in school?

Abortion?

Ultra-right wing conservative christian leader?

None of these points make any sense at all. If you are just looking for a forum in which to bash Harper for purely emotional reasons, without appealing to the truth or logic in any form, I suggest you try rabble.

[Drea]

Nope I was banned for being too right wing.

They were all bitching about not having work, having to sqeegie windows for money. So I posted a long list of jobs in BC that didn't require any skills and they booted me.

Oh well.

Anyhoo

It relates to the conservatives in Canada because Harper would emulate the Bush Administration on foreign affairs/trade and their concept of "morality".

As I've stated many times, Harper is running a neutered govt. So we are "safe" for the time being

Oh Grow Up about the "rant". Sheesh.

Cons have been ranting that they live in a liberal dictatorship for how many years now?

So now that we have a con govt -- I can rant all the hell I want.

Tit for tat baby.

[shoop]

Go to another site than.

This is a board for discussing politics. Not for personal inults or *doing whatever the hell you want*...

Or making blanket assumptions on who Harper will emulate without any support.

P.S. Go f*ck yourself for telling me to grow up. Ix that adult enough for you...

Cons have been ranting that they live in a liberal dictatorship for how many years now?

So now that we have a con govt -- I can rant all the hell I want.

Tit for tat baby.

[Drea]

Why don't you go to another site?

There's Freedominion -- I'm sure you'd feel "right" at home.

Have a lovely day.