secondboy Posted January 9, 2006 Report Posted January 9, 2006 hello,all of peaple in world.i am from Iran.Islamic Repulic of. we usually to be accused of violation of human rights from west(America and Europa) unfairly.(believe that it isn't thus) there is a suggestion from iranian peresident (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) to all countries: { I suggest a series of scholarly sessions in high level, between islamic thinkers and western thinkers about "foundations of HUMAN RIGHTS".Iran goverment will bring about its conditions, provided that these scholarly debates don't be censored in western medium(TV, Radio,Press,...) and the results of these arguments should be presented in international level to give all thinkers opinion about that.said M Ahmadinejad. I suggest to make a list of all of violations of human rights and to judge about all countries.It means that we send our representatives(inspectors) to report about freedom of thought,freedom of expression,conditions of prisons and women and children in western countries ,they do that in Iran also, and after that, be deduced and the results be judged publicly by general thinks.and these results shouldn't be censored and shouldn't be published unilaterally.therefore if talks and debates about human rights be schoiarly(scientific) and equitable(fairly) we are agreeable(talk and debate with any country) said M Ahmadinejad. } and now, there is a question:"why western countries is silent about this suggestion?"is this suggestion a bad one for them? or they ...? Quote
Argus Posted January 9, 2006 Report Posted January 9, 2006 hello,all of peaple in world.i am from Iran.Islamic Repulic of.we usually to be accused of violation of human rights from west(America and Europa) unfairly.(believe that it isn't thus) there is a suggestion from iranian peresident (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) to all countries: Your president is a psychotic savage from the sixth century. And your country executes 13 year old girls for the crime of being raped by their uncle. You have nothing to say to anyone about human rights abuses except to express your shame. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
secondboy Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Posted January 9, 2006 Your president is a psychotic savage from the sixth century.And your country executes 13 year old girls for the crime of being raped by their uncle. You have nothing to say to anyone about human rights abuses except to express your shame. this is a scholarly and scientific debate and talk .this represents an example of human right in west. you can't participate in this talk and debate because you know you have not anything for say except insult and offense. Quote
secondboy Posted January 9, 2006 Author Report Posted January 9, 2006 please read the lower link http://www.iran-daily.com/1384/2466/html/ Quote
Black Dog Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 this is a scholarly and scientific debate and talk .this represents an example of human right in west. you can't participate in this talk and debate because you know you have not anything for say except insult and offense. Respect for basic human rights in Iran, especially freedom of expression and opinion, deteriorated in 2004. Torture and ill-treatment in detention, including indefinite solitary confinement, are used routinely to punish dissidents. The judiciary, which is accountable to Supreme Leader Ali Khamene’i rather than the elected president, Mohammad Khatami, has been at the center of many serious human rights violations. Abuses are carried out by what Iranians call “parallel institutions”:plainclothes intelligence agents, paramilitary groups that violently attack peaceful protests, and illegal and secret prisons and interrogation centers run by intelligence services.... There is no mechanism for monitoring and investigating human rights violations perpetrated by agents of the government. The closure of independent media in Iran has helped to perpetuate an atmosphere of impunity. Human Rights Watch The death penalty and cruel, inhuman and degrading punishments were used against people charged for trying to exercise their rights to freedom of expression and association. At least 113 people, including six women, were executed, many in public. At least two people were reportedly executed by stoning and at least one execution was broadcast on television. As in previous years, there was a surge in public executions and floggings between July and September. At least 84 people were flogged. The true numbers of executions and floggings may have been considerably higher. Political organizations, for example, reported that 450 people were executed in 2002. Amnesty International This is but a sampling of Iran's atrocious human rights record., a record that will no doubt worsen under the reactionary peasant Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. For someone like hm to demand an accounting of western human rights practices is simply insane. Quote
Argus Posted January 10, 2006 Report Posted January 10, 2006 please read the lower linkhttp://www.iran-daily.com/1384/2466/html/ No one cares what the ignorant, religious psychotic you call a president has to say about human rights anywhere else so long as he is so brutal and murderous in his own country. All he is doing is attempting to shift attention onto the relatively minor transgressions in other countries to deflect criticism of his murderous, despotic regime. If you cared about human rights you'd be trying to convince your president to stop making you all look like a bunch of primitives from the dark ages. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
secondboy Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Posted January 10, 2006 please read the lower link http://www.iran-daily.com/1384/2466/html/ No one cares what the ignorant, religious psychotic you call a president has to say about human rights anywhere else so long as he is so brutal and murderous in his own country. All he is doing is attempting to shift attention onto the relatively minor transgressions in other countries to deflect criticism of his murderous, despotic regime. If you cared about human rights you'd be trying to convince your president to stop making you all look like a bunch of primitives from the dark ages. It is better worry about human right in your country that be violated by bush .he protect Ariel Sharon who murdered in Sabra and Shatila(in palestine) about 3000 people.he (bush) murdered non-militaries people in Iraq and Afghanistan .America murdered many iranian people also(an example : to murder passengers of Airbus airoplane in 1988 (in persian Golf)).and... and now which one violated human rights , Iran or America? we are proud of Mr Ahmadinejad. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 It is better worry about human right in your country that be violated by bush .he protect Ariel Sharon who murdered in Sabra and Shatila(in palestine) about 3000 people.he (bush) murdered non-militaries people in Iraq and Afghanistan .America murdered many iranian people also(an example : to murder passengers of Airbus airoplane in 1988 (in persian Golf)).and... and now which one violated human rights , Iran or America? we are proud of Mr Ahmadinejad. No doubt Bush, Sharon and western governments are no saints. But (and I say this as a strong critic of western policies), these guys are pikers compared to the thugs who run Iran and who torture, murder and oppress their own people. When it comes to lecturing about human rights, your country doesn't have a leg to stand on. Quote
Argus Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 No one cares what the ignorant, religious psychotic you call a president has to say about human rights anywhere else so long as he is so brutal and murderous in his own country. All he is doing is attempting to shift attention onto the relatively minor transgressions in other countries to deflect criticism of his murderous, despotic regime. If you cared about human rights you'd be trying to convince your president to stop making you all look like a bunch of primitives from the dark ages. It is better worry about human right in your country that be violated by bush . Why? Bush is model of proper behaviour compared to the savages who run your pathetic excuse for a country. he protect Ariel Sharon who murdered in Sabra and Shatila(in palestine) about 3000 people.he (bush) murdered non-militaries people in Iraq and Afghanistan . And how many people has your regime executed over the last decade? Many, many more than Sharon killed. Your regime is barbarous and ignorant. It murders teenage girls for having sex! You aren't even part of the modern world! You're some kind of bizarre medieval society from a thousand years ago, wrapped in your wretchedly ignorant view of the world and its people. America murdered many iranian people also(an example : to murder passengers of Airbus airoplane in 1988 (in persian Golf)).and...and now which one violated human rights , Iran or America? we are proud of Mr Ahmadinejad. The US shot down and Iranian airliner because they had legitimate cause to believe that, being Iranian, it was full of crazy people set to attack them. Persia used to be a great land populated by sophisticated, and enlighted people. Now Iran is a festering pesthole of poverty and ignorance run by madmen and religious psychotics. If you had any care about human rights you would be trying to overthrow the regime instead of applauding it. Not even those here who dislike the Americans will ever choose Iran as a protector of human rights. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 If you had any care about human rights you would be trying to overthrow the regime instead of applauding it. Not even those here who dislike the Americans will ever choose Iran as a protector of human rights. Do you think that he'd be able to post here if he had something negative to say about the regime ? Not likely, eh? Quote
secondboy Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Posted January 11, 2006 this picture shows ABOGHORAIB prison in IRAQ when be occupied by US army http://www.aviny.com/News/83/03/09/Abu_Ghraib_05.jpg this is shameful for america Quote
Argus Posted January 11, 2006 Report Posted January 11, 2006 this picture shows ABOGHORAIB prison in IRAQ when be occupied by US armyhttp://www.aviny.com/News/83/03/09/Abu_Ghraib_05.jpg this is shameful for america Indeed. But it was an even more shameful place when occupied by Saddam. And I have not the slightest doubt there are even more shameful places all through Iran. The Americans have their faults, but even they would be horrified at the very idea of executing young girls for the terrible crime of "acts incompatible with chastity". Iran executes children Iran executes teenagers suspected of being homosexual Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Aziz Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 some things you need to consider before you blame religion: Islam does not allow suspected adultery. Islam is not responsible for honor killings. Iranians are corrupt along with its leadership. Iranians are mostly Shia so uh I don't call them Islamic. Ahmadinejad is a nut(not becuz of his speeches or his policies) if you want evidence for the first two I can help. Quote
Argus Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 some things you need to consider before you blame religion:Islam does not allow suspected adultery. Islam is not responsible for honor killings. Iranians are corrupt along with its leadership. Iranians are mostly Shia so uh I don't call them Islamic. Ahmadinejad is a nut(not becuz of his speeches or his policies) if you want evidence for the first two I can help. Why is Ahmadinejad NOT a nut because of his speeches and policies? Do you agree that the Jews should be destroyed? Why are the Shia's not Islamic? Is religious intollerance normal for Muslims? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
YankAbroad Posted January 19, 2006 Report Posted January 19, 2006 If we North Americans were serious about our values, we'd offer automatic asylum and settlement to women, gays and other oppressed minorites in Iran. They land, we take their passports, they stay for the requisite period and become US or Canadian citizens. It would do a lot more good than all the rhetorical barbs slung at Tehran. Like they care what we think! Quote
Argus Posted January 19, 2006 Report Posted January 19, 2006 If we North Americans were serious about our values, we'd offer automatic asylum and settlement to women, gays and other oppressed minorites in Iran. They land, we take their passports, they stay for the requisite period and become US or Canadian citizens.It would do a lot more good than all the rhetorical barbs slung at Tehran. Like they care what we think! And how many tens of millions do you expect us to absorb without them swamping us and taking over? Do you want a Muslim state on your northern border? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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