Only Option for Canada's sake

[justcrowing]

Again, I'm not a Liberal (and we really need to consolidate this discussion under one thread).

My point was, Wilber seems to think that, just because neocons invaded Iraq, that is what defines them. I'm not bitter, just stating facts again. GO NDP.

Tony Blair is Labour government [socialist} = to Canadian NDP.

Taken from Wikipedia.

Socialism is an ideology with the core belief that society should exist in which popular collectives control the means of power, and therefore the means of production.

In Marxist theory, it also refers to the society that would succeed or supplant capitalism, and would later develop further into communism, as the necessity for the socialist structure would wither away. Marxism and communism are both branches of socialism.

[newbie]

They invaded another country to steal their oil against the wishes of the UN security counsel. They also misrepresented their reasons for going. Under international law, this is considered illegal. Even the UN Secretary General said so. I feel bad for the troops there, but I don't support their cause of liberating Iraq's oil fields.

Proof of this BM? You are merely restating the left's position.

This should clear that up for you.

http://www.counterpunch.org/vallette03222005.html

[tml12]

They invaded another country to steal their oil against the wishes of the UN security counsel. They also misrepresented their reasons for going. Under international law, this is considered illegal. Even the UN Secretary General said so. I feel bad for the troops there, but I don't support their cause of liberating Iraq's oil fields.

Proof of this BM? You are merely restating the left's position.

This should clear that up for you.

http://www.counterpunch.org/vallette03222005.html

Hey,

Yeah I just read that and...

http://www.counterpunch.org/aboutus.html

...I just read this. Another left-wing website dedicated to anti-right propaganda. I did not support the Iraq War and I am still voting Conservative. The Martin Liberals (and secretly the Chretien Liberals) supported Iraq. What's the point???

[err]

Chretien had interests in Iraqi oil as Montgomery Burns has factually reported in the past.

Montgomery Burns factual reports about WMDs in Iraq .... as likely as Yogi Bear's factual scientific discovery of new planets !!!!!

His prime ministerial life was ending soon too. Thus, Chretien officially did not support the war.

Does that explain his position in the first war too ????

[justcrowing]

It would appear that we think we were not involved in the war in Iraq but facts below say otherwise ... hmmm!!

http://www.socialist.ca/Journal/m2004/01-CanadaWarIraq.html

Canada was the third largest military presence in the war on Iraq in 1991. And the Canadian government at no point challenged the UN sanctions on Iraq. Nor did Chrétien oppose the logic of slaughtering a poor nation with weapons of mass destruction on the pretext that there were unused weapons of mass destruction in Iraqi.

The argument carried by Chrétien was that Canada was committed to a multilateral war as a principle of its governance. This is actually nonsense. Canada participated willingly in the war on the former Yugoslavia without UN backing, going instead through the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

The rhetoric was a feature of the limits to Chrétien’s ability to steer Canadian state foreign policy. His support in his own party was so weak that he had only managed to stay at the helm on condition that he announce his resignation for February of 2004, and in the event left the Prime Minister’s office (PMO) even earlier, in December of 2003. Chrétien wanted to be known as a Liberal with some kind of legacy when he retired from government, and the rhetoric of principled multilateralism was a feature of this. We now also know that Chrétien was using his last months in the PMO as a staging ground for a job interview with the United Nations. [2]

The Canadian ruling class was deeply split over whether or not to formally join the coalition of the killing. Chrétien’s wobbling and appeal to vacuous principle were expressions of this division. But there is no doubt that in the absence of the anti-war movement’s pressure on the Canadian government, the position pressing to all out war would have won the day. Documents made public in November of 2003 by the National Post, obtained under access to information legislation, indicate that plans to send 600-800 Canadian soldiers to Iraq were well in place and suddenly changed only in mid-February, the time of the largest anti-war mobilization in Canadian, and international, history. [3] The anti-war movement was key in staying the hand of Canadian imperialism during the preparations for war on Iraq. This is a crucial lesson for the anti-war movement.

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Canada continued to play a military role in the war. On March 25, 2003, US Ambassador to Canada, Paul Cellucci, publicly chastised Canada’s non-participation, but was compelled to note the irony of what this "lack" of support looks like. He stated: "Ironically, the Canadians indirectly provide more support for us in Iraq than most of those 46 countries that are fully supporting us. It’s kind of an odd situation."[13]

After the US, Britain, and Australia, Canada was the next largest military participant in the war on Iraq. Canada provided airspace, 25 military planners to work with the US Central Command, 31 "exchange troops", and other troops as part of the Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft. Canada also led a multinational task force in the Persian Gulf. One thousand three hundred Canadian troops on three military frigates were stationed in Iraq throughout the war, accompanying US war ships to Kuwait. And the Canadian government has sold billions of dollars worth of weapons and military equipment to the US.

[err]

It would appear that we think we were not involved in the war in Iraq but facts below say otherwise ... hmmm!!

After the US, Britain, and Australia, Canada was the next largest military participant in the war on Iraq. Canada provided airspace, 25 military planners to work with the US Central Command, 31 "exchange troops", and other troops as part of the Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft. Canada also led a multinational task force in the Persian Gulf. One thousand three hundred Canadian troops on three military frigates were stationed in Iraq throughout the war, accompanying US war ships to Kuwait. And the Canadian government has sold billions of dollars worth of weapons and military equipment to the US.

31 exchange troops that were on an exchange program before the start of the war ???? Frigates in Iraq... Were they hoisted onto the shore ????...

Your quotes refer to the FIRST WAR.... You have no quotes about the Operation Iraqi Liberation.... and use typical Conservative deception practices to try to fool people into beleiving your positon.....