fellowtraveller Posted December 31, 2005 Report Posted December 31, 2005 Just back from a couple of weeks in Quebec - in Montreal and Quebec City, and noticed the following about election signage: -there are many more Bloc posters than any other party, in all ridings I was in but particularly in Quebec. They also dominated the billboards, they were the only Party I saw with billboard advertising - many of the non-Bloc signs in Montreal was vandalized or defaced. Even the signs high on poles had been slashed, swatikas added(for the Tory signs), or otherwise damaged. - none of the Liberal signs have the word 'Liberal' on them, or nothing that is visible for passerbys or cars. The Liberal campaign posters have 'les Liberaux de Paul Martin" in tiny letters in the left hand bottom corner. Not possible to read this tiny message from any distance greater than 12 inches away. I think the Bloc will crush the Liberals. Quote The government should do something.
Riverwind Posted December 31, 2005 Report Posted December 31, 2005 -there are many more Bloc posters than any other party, in all ridings I was in but particularly in Quebec. They also dominated the billboards, they were the only Party I saw with billboard advertisingThis occurs because the bloc is being funded as if it was a national party even though it only runs candidates in Quebec. This means the Bloc has a lot more money than the other parties to spend on things like bill boards. The system of funding federal parties needs to be changed to address this.-many of the non-Bloc signs in Montreal was vandalized or defaced. Even the signs high on poles had been slashed, swatikas added(for the Tory signs), or otherwise damaged.Liberal signs being damaged I could understand given the Gomery revelations. However, sabatoging the signs of other parties (particularily with the swatikas) illustrates the racist and violent underbelly of the seperatist movement. The people who damage the signs today will become the terrorists of tomorrow if there is another referendum with a ambiguous result. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
fellowtraveller Posted January 1, 2006 Author Report Posted January 1, 2006 This occurs because the bloc is being funded as if it was a national party even though it only runs candidates in Quebec. This means the Bloc has a lot more money than the other parties to spend on things like bill boards. The system of funding federal parties needs to be changed to address this. Mmmmmm.... Nope, not really. Last election, the Bloc got 49% and the Libs got 35% in Quebec- and both parties got proportionate federal funding. But the sign distribution I observed didn't come close to matching that reality. The Quebec ridings had virtually no Liberal signs, virtually no signs other than Bloc. Even in Montreal ridings with Liberal MPs, it seemed that there were many more Bloc signs than any other Party. One interpretation of this is that the Bloc are in a fullcourt press in every riding, and that the Liberals have largely surrendered. Quote The government should do something.
canuckcat Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 Just back from a couple of weeks in Quebec - in Montreal and Quebec City <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds lovely... Quebec and the Maritimes are the real Canadian place to have Christmas... let it snow, let it snow, let it snow... I have so many fond memories of that as a lad... i am a lucky man to have have such deep roots in this wonderful land... and I know that there are other Canadians who feel the same about their homeland... BC to Baffin Island... Alberta to Antigonish... --- Conservatives and American Republicans are sliding money into Quebec... they hate Canada and want to see our end... this is where the money comes from... all off the books... it's bad enough that the Bloc and the Conservative Party of Canada (read Republican wannabees) conspired to bring down a very productive Parliament... but now they are the clear enemies of Canada... good Canadians need to work hard to overcome this foe... it's time to "Stand on Guard"... our dominion is not free... we have to work for it each day... We need to work very hard this time, our country is at stake... our enemies only see us for the money they can make by the dissasembly of all our hard work... they would take away our beautiful land, for a small amount of money each, and a pat on the back by the Americans and International Corporations... may God forgive them for their folly... Canada IS the 21st Century... we are leading the way... we need men and women of vision... Quote
seabee Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 However, sabatoging the signs of other parties (particularily with the swatikas) illustrates the racist and violent underbelly of the seperatist movement. Funny, because it is actually the other way around. For most people in Québec, the Reform turned Alliance turned Conservative party is viewed as a racist, anti-bilingualism, anti-French(-Canadian) party, that loves guns, wants more military, even military in the cities (a reminder of October 1970) and suspect that if they get elected, Québec would be pur in a perpetual War Measures Act state. The Cons have a racist and violent underbelly. The people also loathe the religiosity of the Cons; it reminds them too much of the pre-1960 era, and they certainly don't want a return to La Grande Noirceur (The Great Darkness) as the Duplessis era is referred to. Get religion out of politics. The people who damage the signs today will become the terrorists of tomorrow if there is another referendum with a ambiguous result. As if the 1995 referendum had not had ambiguous results. Yet, there was not one terrorist act following it. Conservatives and American Republicans are sliding money into Quebec... What? First time this has ever been suggested by anyone anywhere in whatever language. This is even more improbable due to the fact the Québécois are massively (80%) against the war in Iraq and see George Bush as a threat to world peace. Quote
Riverwind Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 Mmmmmm.... Nope, not really. Last election, the Bloc got 49% and the Libs got 35% in Quebec- and both parties got proportionate federal funding. But the sign distribution I observed didn't come close to matching that reality.The BQ gets 10-13% of the national vote which means it gets slightly less funding than the NDP nationally. However, the BQ only needs to campaign in French and in Quebec where as the NDP needs to campaign in both languages all across the country.Funny, because it is actually the other way around. For most people in Québec, the Reform turned Alliance turned Conservative party is viewed as a racist, anti-bilingualism, anti-French(-Canadian) party..Conservative supporters arn't defacing the signs of political opponents with swatikas. As if the 1995 referendum had not had ambiguous results. Yet, there was not one terrorist act following it.The 1995 result was unexpected and seperatists did not take a victory for granted. Today seperatists are much more radical in their views and would likely react violently if confronted with people who insist that Quebec is also divisible. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
fellowtraveller Posted January 1, 2006 Author Report Posted January 1, 2006 Conservatives and American Republicans are sliding money into Quebec... they hate Canada and want to see our end... this is where the money comes from... all off the books... The Tories are funding the Bloc? Your tinfoil hat is too tight mate. Link, source, facts or STFU. The BQ gets 10-13% of the national vote which means it gets slightly less funding than the NDP nationally. However, the BQ only needs to campaign in French and in Quebec where as the NDP needs to campaign in both languages all across the country None of which explains the reality that Quebec is plastered in Bloc signage and only Bloc signage. The Libs and Bloc have similar federal funding in Quebec. The Bloc are spending a bunch on signage and are far more visible, the Liberals are not spenfding and are not visible. Have the Liberals given up in Quebec?. Quote The government should do something.
kimmy Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 The BQ gets 10-13% of the national vote which means it gets slightly less funding than the NDP nationally. However, the BQ only needs to campaign in French and in Quebec where as the NDP needs to campaign in both languages all across the country None of which explains the reality that Quebec is plastered in Bloc signage and only Bloc signage. The Libs and Bloc have similar federal funding in Quebec. The Bloc are spending a bunch on signage and are far more visible, the Liberals are not spenfding and are not visible. Have the Liberals given up in Quebec?. What he is saying is that the Liberals have to divide up their money between 308 (?) ridings and the BQ only have to divide up their money between 75 ridings. The Liberals might have more money to spend in total, but their money has to be spent in four times as many ridings. So far, here in Edmonton, none of the parties have many signs up so far. I think the real campaign is just about to begin, now that the holidays are over they will get down to work for real. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Quagmire Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 Just back from a couple of weeks in Quebec - in Montreal and Quebec City <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds lovely... Quebec and the Maritimes are the real Canadian place to have Christmas... let it snow, let it snow, let it snow... I have so many fond memories of that as a lad... i am a lucky man to have have such deep roots in this wonderful land... and I know that there are other Canadians who feel the same about their homeland... BC to Baffin Island... Alberta to Antigonish... --- Conservatives and American Republicans are sliding money into Quebec... they hate Canada and want to see our end... this is where the money comes from... all off the books... it's bad enough that the Bloc and the Conservative Party of Canada (read Republican wannabees) conspired to bring down a very productive Parliament... but now they are the clear enemies of Canada... good Canadians need to work hard to overcome this foe... it's time to "Stand on Guard"... our dominion is not free... we have to work for it each day... We need to work very hard this time, our country is at stake... our enemies only see us for the money they can make by the dissasembly of all our hard work... they would take away our beautiful land, for a small amount of money each, and a pat on the back by the Americans and International Corporations... may God forgive them for their folly... Canada IS the 21st Century... we are leading the way... we need men and women of vision... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This post reminds me of Grandpa Simpson from The Simpsons. You know, when he starts rambling on about nonsense? The Canadian Conversatives couldn't be a fraction as bad as the US Republicans if they had 100 years practice and the Republican handbook to follow. You're comparing apples and oranges my friend. Back up your claim of US and conservative money 'sliding' into Quebec. The only money I can recall 'off the books' in Quebec is the Liberal bribes. Quote
shoop Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 A productive parliament? Clear enemies of Canada? Really, this has got to be a joke .... doesn't it? it's bad enough that the Bloc and the Conservative Party of Canada (read Republican wannabees) conspired to bring down a very productive Parliament... but now they are the clear enemies of Canada... good Canadians need to work hard to overcome this foe... it's time to "Stand on Guard"... our dominion is not free... we have to work for it each day... Canada IS the 21st Century... we are leading the way... we need men and women of vision... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote
reddy_the_tory Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 Still being an amature to understanding the polictical scene in Quebec...I understand the politics are clearly different. But one just needs to watch radio-canada or TVA for a couple of seconds, (even if you can't understand the language) and you notice there is a different culture. The BLOC website and the BLOC signs are always more 'warm and receptive;' plus they have sears catologue glamour shots on them! Even during a provincial election, you know EXACTLY who is the candidate by name and by picture. I remember provincial liberal signs with their candidates on them. The funding issue is there...but the signs are abundent during provincial campaigns as well. Quote
wellandboy Posted January 1, 2006 Report Posted January 1, 2006 Just back from a couple of weeks in Quebec - in Montreal and Quebec City <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds lovely... Quebec and the Maritimes are the real Canadian place to have Christmas... let it snow, let it snow, let it snow... I have so many fond memories of that as a lad... i am a lucky man to have have such deep roots in this wonderful land... and I know that there are other Canadians who feel the same about their homeland... BC to Baffin Island... Alberta to Antigonish... --- Conservatives and American Republicans are sliding money into Quebec... they hate Canada and want to see our end... this is where the money comes from... all off the books... it's bad enough that the Bloc and the Conservative Party of Canada (read Republican wannabees) conspired to bring down a very productive Parliament... but now they are the clear enemies of Canada... good Canadians need to work hard to overcome this foe... it's time to "Stand on Guard"... our dominion is not free... we have to work for it each day... We need to work very hard this time, our country is at stake... our enemies only see us for the money they can make by the dissasembly of all our hard work... they would take away our beautiful land, for a small amount of money each, and a pat on the back by the Americans and International Corporations... may God forgive them for their folly... Canada IS the 21st Century... we are leading the way... we need men and women of vision... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh my! Quote
fellowtraveller Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Posted January 2, 2006 What he is saying is that the Liberals have to divide up their money between 308 (?) ridings and the BQ only have to divide up their money between 75 ridings. The Liberals might have more money to spend in total, but their money has to be spent in four times as many ridings. Nope. That doesn't explain what I witnessed. 1)The federal funding is based on the percentage of the popular vote received. The amounts that the Bloc received for the 2004 election in Quebec is quite similar to the money that the Liberals received for the 2004 election in Quebec 2) It is obvious that the Bloc is spending their money on being highly visible on Quebec streets and highways. It is obvious that the Liberals are not doing the same, including in ridings where they have MPs. 3) The Liberals don't spend their money evenly over 308 ridings,like every Party they spend their money where they think they'll win seats. For instance, the Liberals won't spend much in Alberta , what is the point? They won't spend much in eastern Quebec, what would be the point? But they currently hold 21 seats in Quebec. I was in perhaps half of them, and they are not really spending much there either. A possible interpretation of this reality is that they are semi-conceding their seats. Are there other possibilities? Quote The government should do something.
shoop Posted January 2, 2006 Report Posted January 2, 2006 The Liberals are in freefall. They semi-conceded five to ten of their Quebec seats at the start of the campaign. Their entire campaign strategy appeared to be based on replacing losses in Quebec with gains in BC and Ontario. Unfortunately, that doesn't look like it will happen this time around. For instance, the Liberals won't spend much in Alberta , what is the point? They won't spend much in eastern Quebec, what would be the point? But they currently hold 21 seats in Quebec. I was in perhaps half of them, and they are not really spending much there either. A possible interpretation of this reality is that they are semi-conceding their seats.Are there other possibilities? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote
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