Oh, that lying liberal media

[The Honest Politician]

I would like to see this put to a referendum.  Would you?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ya we'll have a referendum on this, and any other issue where doing what's right is contrary to the views of the majority.

If the majority says it is OK to ignore rights and freedoms given to us by our Charter, then it must be true.

What's next, a referendum on whether or not people with disabilities should be allowed to procreate?

Once you start this ball rolling it will not stop until the last extremist has a referendum on their own personal issue.

[Guest eureka]

The only reason for a referendum on all but a very few simple matters is that those who would likely lose on complicated issues think that by dumbing down the issues they can hopr to manipulate the result.

[normanchateau]

I would like to see this put to a referendum.  Would you?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ya we'll have a referendum on this, and any other issue where doing what's right is contrary to the views of the majority.

If the majority says it is OK to ignore rights and freedoms given to us by our Charter, then it must be true.

Once you start this ball rolling it will not stop until the last extremist has a referendum on their own personal issue.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How about a referendum on whether those who can't reproduce with each other should be allowed to marry? Since some Harper supporters have used reproduction as an argument against SSM, I'm sure they'd want to extend it to postmenopausal women, infertile men and all the others who, in their narrow minds, don't deserve the legal right to marry. Perhaps we could have "civil unions" or some other "compromise" when postmenopausal women or infertile men want to marry.

[Argus]

Besides lying, the lazy media often are guilty of omission.  For example, I've not come across a single story in the mainstream media during the campaign about Harper's opposition to including sexual orientation in hate crimes legislation. 

Nor did they mention Martin's glowing endorsement of middle aged men who like to have sex with teenage boys, and that he only wishes he had more of them in his cabinet.

You'll have to explain this one... because it would appear to be completely unfounded and libellous....

You Child Porn Crusaders can't seem to let up on this kind of topic... and don't appear to care to present any facts to back up your allegations.....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sure I'll give you a cite. Right after I see a cite about Harper not wanting gays put into the hate crimes legislation numbnuts is always talking about.

[Argus]

If Martin had refused to say he loved Canada I would be raking his arse over the coals too. 

I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I despise this kind of brainless American style hyper-patriotism. I think everyone who propogates it helps make Canada a little bit more American every time they throw out their chest and start into their nationalistic drivel. Traditional Canadian patriotism was of the dry, soft-spoken kind. It was sincere and it was real. We didn't need to crow and bluster about it like the Americans did every Fourth of July. The Liberals changed that in order to make July 1 a honking big patriotic holiday to beat at the PQ with. And all the morons out there bought into it, donned their maple leaf hats and threw a flag around themselves and ran out to pretend they were Americans and sing patriotic songs.

[Argus]

I would like to see this put to a referendum.  Would you?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ya we'll have a referendum on this, and any other issue where doing what's right is contrary to the views of the majority.

If the majority says it is OK to ignore rights and freedoms given to us by our Charter, then it must be true.

This is just so... sad. It's so typically ignorant and shallow, the kind of thing a schoolkid never taught history would say. It exposes a mindset which believes that all we have we get from our betters in govenrment.

The Charter gave you nothing. We had our rights and freedoms because down through the years our cultural value set determined we would have those rights and freedoms. All the Liberals did was codify some of them, put it into straightjacket language, and provide a multi-billion dollar windfall for lawyers.

We were free before the Charter. If the Charter never existed we would be no less free. Paper guarantees nothing. It is people who determine freedoms.

What's next, a referendum on whether or not people with disabilities should be allowed to procreate?

Once you start this ball rolling it will not stop until the last extremist has a referendum on their own personal issue.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Indeed. God forbid actual people be allowed any hand in making decisions about their society. We must leave that to our betters in government, like Jean Chretien and Paul Martin. Sigh.

[The Honest Politician]

If Martin had refused to say he loved Canada I would be raking his arse over the coals too. 

I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I despise this kind of brainless American style hyper-patriotism. I think everyone who propogates it helps make Canada a little bit more American every time they throw out their chest and start into their nationalistic drivel. Traditional Canadian patriotism was of the dry, soft-spoken kind. It was sincere and it was real. We didn't need to crow and bluster about it like the Americans did every Fourth of July. The Liberals changed that in order to make July 1 a honking big patriotic holiday to beat at the PQ with. And all the morons out there bought into it, donned their maple leaf hats and threw a flag around themselves and ran out to pretend they were Americans and sing patriotic songs.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I despise some blowhard calling my love for my country crowing and blustering. You don't love this country, thats your business. I do love it and I am not afraid to say it, unlike the CPC leader.

You think patriotism makes us more American?

Patriotism is what makes us stand up to the Americans and defend our values and way of life. Are you against that?

[The Honest Politician]

This is just so... sad. It's so typically ignorant and shallow, the kind of thing a schoolkid never taught history would say. It exposes a mindset which believes that all we have we get from our betters in govenrment.

The Charter gave you nothing. We had our rights and freedoms because down through the years our cultural value set determined we would have those rights and freedoms. All the Liberals did was codify some of them, put it into straightjacket language, and provide a multi-billion dollar windfall for lawyers.

We were free before the Charter. If the Charter never existed we would be no less free. Paper guarantees nothing. It is people who determine freedoms.

So now you dispise my patriotism, and consider me an uneducated, ignorant, shallow schoolkid? Get Stuffed. It has been typical behaviour of certain people on this board to stoop to personal attacks, instead of actual debating. And they call everyone else Childish.

That's ok.

So a referendum on every major issue is the answer? Hello? Why do we have a govt. in the first place if not to make the decisions on the major issues. But anyway lets explore having a referendum. After SSM is settled, and the next major issue arises, do we have another referendum?

And the issue after that?

If we can't allow our political process to work for us, what is the point in having a govt.?

[Argus]

If Martin had refused to say he loved Canada I would be raking his arse over the coals too. 

I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I despise this kind of brainless American style hyper-patriotism. I think everyone who propogates it helps make Canada a little bit more American every time they throw out their chest and start into their nationalistic drivel. Traditional Canadian patriotism was of the dry, soft-spoken kind. It was sincere and it was real. We didn't need to crow and bluster about it like the Americans did every Fourth of July. The Liberals changed that in order to make July 1 a honking big patriotic holiday to beat at the PQ with. And all the morons out there bought into it, donned their maple leaf hats and threw a flag around themselves and ran out to pretend they were Americans and sing patriotic songs.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I despise some blowhard calling my love for my country crowing and blustering.

Maybe you should stop crowing and blustering then.

You don't love this country, thats your business. I do love it and I am not afraid to say it, unlike the CPC leader.

Canada! Love it or leave it, as you yanks say, right?

You think patriotism makes us more American?

Your kind of crude, blustering, loud, in-your-face patriotism is what Canadians used to mock Americans before, and stilil do.

Patriotism is what makes us stand up to the Americans and defend our values and way of life. Are you against that?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I suspect your values are far closer to American values than they are to mine. I suspect that you'd be perfectly happy as an American, with that kind of knee-jerk nationalistic pap trotted out to defend every government decision. Your attitude is completely American, whether you know it or not. That's because the Liberals gave us this kind of nationalistic bombast, and copied it from the Americans. Those of us older, and smarter, didn't buy into it.

[Argus]

This is just so... sad. It's so typically ignorant and shallow, the kind of thing a schoolkid never taught history would say. It exposes a mindset which believes that all we have we get from our betters in govenrment.

The Charter gave you nothing. We had our rights and freedoms because down through the years our cultural value set determined we would have those rights and freedoms. All the Liberals did was codify some of them, put it into straightjacket language, and provide a multi-billion dollar windfall for lawyers.

We were free before the Charter. If the Charter never existed we would be no less free. Paper guarantees nothing. It is people who determine freedoms.

So now you dispise my patriotism, and consider me an uneducated, ignorant, shallow schoolkid? Get Stuffed. It has been typical behaviour of certain people on this board to stoop to personal attacks, instead of actual debating. And they call everyone else Childish.

You apparently have literacy issues. I called your words ignorant and shallow, because they are. I said nothing about you personally. You, on the other hand, have called me names. How sad you are incapable of defending your words except by attacking other people.

So a referendum on every major issue is the answer? Hello? Why do we have a govt. in the first place if not to make the decisions on the major issues.

To run the day to day things. There's nothing wrong with referendums to settle major social questions. But it was your expressed fear of referendums I was addressing, your preference for letting what are, in essence, a bunch of posturing, self interested snakes make those decisions for us rather than let ordinary Canadians have a say. It bespeaks an attitude of subservience, of one who grew up in a welfare state, where the government makes all the decisions.

[The Honest Politician]

If Martin had refused to say he loved Canada I would be raking his arse over the coals too. 

I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!  I LOVE CANADA!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I despise this kind of brainless American style hyper-patriotism. I think everyone who propogates it helps make Canada a little bit more American every time they throw out their chest and start into their nationalistic drivel. Traditional Canadian patriotism was of the dry, soft-spoken kind. It was sincere and it was real. We didn't need to crow and bluster about it like the Americans did every Fourth of July. The Liberals changed that in order to make July 1 a honking big patriotic holiday to beat at the PQ with. And all the morons out there bought into it, donned their maple leaf hats and threw a flag around themselves and ran out to pretend they were Americans and sing patriotic songs.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I despise some blowhard calling my love for my country crowing and blustering.

Maybe you should stop crowing and blustering then.

You don't love this country, thats your business. I do love it and I am not afraid to say it, unlike the CPC leader.

Canada! Love it or leave it, as you yanks say, right?

You think patriotism makes us more American?

Your kind of crude, blustering, loud, in-your-face patriotism is what Canadians used to mock Americans before, and stilil do.

Patriotism is what makes us stand up to the Americans and defend our values and way of life. Are you against that?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I suspect your values are far closer to American values than they are to mine. I suspect that you'd be perfectly happy as an American, with that kind of knee-jerk nationalistic pap trotted out to defend every government decision. Your attitude is completely American, whether you know it or not. That's because the Liberals gave us this kind of nationalistic bombast, and copied it from the Americans. Those of us older, and smarter, didn't buy into it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am absolutely positive you know neither me nor my values. You are so far off it is laughable. Almost as laughable as half the CPC platform, or "Liberal accountability".

If you are apathetic as far as Canada is concerned then it would serve you right to have everything slowly Americanized on you.

My over-the-top demonstration was only to show how easy it was to say I love Canada, and question as to why Harper could not perform this little task. But you insult me and my intelligence, and mock my patriotism. You should grow up yourself.

[geoffrey]

I am absolutely positive you know neither me nor my values. You are so far off it is laughable. Almost as laughable as half the CPC platform, or "Liberal accountability".

If you are apathetic as far as Canada is concerned then it would serve you right to have everything slowly Americanized on you.

My over-the-top demonstration was only to show how easy it was to say I love Canada, and question as to why Harper could not perform this little task. But you insult me and my intelligence, and mock my patriotism. You should grow up yourself.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've yet to see how criminals or a criminal organization could love the country they frauded. What the Liberals say and what they mean are two very different concepts in this regard.

[The Honest Politician]

I am absolutely positive you know neither me nor my values. You are so far off it is laughable. Almost as laughable as half the CPC platform, or "Liberal accountability".

If you are apathetic as far as Canada is concerned then it would serve you right to have everything slowly Americanized on you.

My over-the-top demonstration was only to show how easy it was to say I love Canada, and question as to why Harper could not perform this little task. But you insult me and my intelligence, and mock my patriotism. You should grow up yourself.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've yet to see how criminals or a criminal organization could love the country they frauded. What the Liberals say and what they mean are two very different concepts in this regard.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What does that have to do with Harper being unable to say it?

[Montgomery Burns]

I am absolutely positive you know neither me nor my values. You are so far off it is laughable. Almost as laughable as half the CPC platform, or "Liberal accountability".

If you are apathetic as far as Canada is concerned then it would serve you right to have everything slowly Americanized on you.

My over-the-top demonstration was only to show how easy it was to say I love Canada, and question as to why Harper could not perform this little task. But you insult me and my intelligence, and mock my patriotism. You should grow up yourself.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've yet to see how criminals or a criminal organization could love the country they frauded. What the Liberals say and what they mean are two very different concepts in this regard.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The "honest politician" is obviously an ideologue liberal that believes that raping the taxpayer is A-Ok; after all they're liberal....

But Stephen Harper is "scary" and "angry" and has a "hidden agenda".

Canada's liberal MSM does not come out and say what this "hidden agenda" is, but they throw deep and dark hints that it is "American style"...

The feckin' nerve of trying to pattern yourself after the the world's #1 economy, #1 culturally, and #1 militaryily.

THAT AIN'T LIBERAL!

[The Honest Politician]

I am absolutely positive you know neither me nor my values. You are so far off it is laughable. Almost as laughable as half the CPC platform, or "Liberal accountability".

If you are apathetic as far as Canada is concerned then it would serve you right to have everything slowly Americanized on you.

My over-the-top demonstration was only to show how easy it was to say I love Canada, and question as to why Harper could not perform this little task. But you insult me and my intelligence, and mock my patriotism. You should grow up yourself.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've yet to see how criminals or a criminal organization could love the country they frauded. What the Liberals say and what they mean are two very different concepts in this regard.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The "honest politician" is obviously an ideologue liberal that believes that raping the taxpayer is A-Ok; after all they're liberal....

But Stephen Harper is "scary" and "angry" and has a "hidden agenda".

Canada's liberal MSM does not come out and say what this "hidden agenda" is, but they throw deep and dark hints that it is "American style"...

The feckin' nerve of trying to pattern yourself after the the world's #1 economy, #1 culturally, and #1 militaryily.

THAT AIN'T LIBERAL!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

OOOOO More insults. You CPC supporters are whack! You can't debate. All you do is hurl personal insults at anybody who shows reasons for an opposing view. You are perfect examples of why the CPC has such trouble getting elected. You scream that the Liberals are "elitist" and yet it is you who are quick to label anyone who disagres with you a "liberal". Using the term as if it where a racial slur. Does it make you feel like a big man to insult people on the internet?

You have all disgusted me. The lack of intelligence that has been displayed appears to run right up to the leadership of the party. Yes, Mr. Hopeless is an idiot! There is a thread asking how many people are affiliated with the liberals, but not one for the conservatives. From what I have seen here there is far more reason to believe that it is the CPC who are filling forums with junior party members than there is to support the young liberal theory.

I wasn't going to vote Liberal and I never have. But after talking with all you "nice" CPC supporters I think I just might. More as a protest against allowing someone who shares the CPC ideals I have witnessed here, from ever coming to power, than as a show of support for the Martin Govt.

Not that I was going to vote for Mr. Hopeless either, but I wasn't going to vote for his main rival. Now I feel that to ensure that there is a country left for future generations, I must do everything in my power to make sure someone who shares the ideals of the CPC supporters I have encountered here, never comes to power.

Have a nice election. Vote liberal, they lie, they cheat and they steal, but atleast they're honest about it.

[Argus]

My over-the-top demonstration was only to show how easy it was to say I love Canada, and question as to why Harper could not perform this little task. But you insult me and my intelligence, and mock my patriotism. You should grow up yourself.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Let me take you back to a time before the Liberal propaganda campaign began, before they almost lost the referendum. In those days Dominion Day was a sleepy little holiday. Canadians had a quiet, dignified kind of patriotism, the sort of unspoken, stolid patriotism the British were known for. We celebrated Victoria Day (The twenty-fourth of may, is firecracker day!) as they used to say, before the Liberals took away our firecrackers. But I digress. One of the ways we were different from Americans was the way we would look at them, bemused, as they held their annual silly patriotic day, filled with loud, abrasive shouts of love for their country, big floats, big flags everywhere, face painting, Stars and bars hats, coats, etc. We looked at it and smiled in our typically smug Canadian way, at how foolish such swaggering bombast was. For real pride in country is a quiet thing, and does not need parades and fireworks. Dominion Day was thus a quieter time when we celebrated or not, in typical Canadian fashion. And if someone jumped up and started shouting "I LOVE CANADA!" everyone would have laughed and asked what he was drinking. That just wasn't the way Canadians behaved. We were more reserved and dignified than that.

Now we're exactly the same as the Americans. We have the pardes, the face painting, the howling idiots wrapped in flags, wearing flag hats and flat coats and shouting out their love of Canada as the bands play and the fireworks go off. Change the flag and it's 100% identical to any American fourth of July. And the young and the foollish have bought into it, into this loud, braying ass type of nationalism aimed at somehow proving Canada was so wonderful no one would want to seperate!

Funny thing was, no one told the Quebecers that. Love of Canada rose not a whit. Interest and support in seperatism dropped not a bit.

So all your braying ass shouting out of love of Canada is just as silly as we always assumed it would be. Perhaps Harper knows or on some level understands this. Or perhaps, as Kimmy suggested, he's just not as shameless as Martin, not as willing to put on a phoney show of passion and shout out his emotional attachment to Canada.

[BubberMiley]

Interesting points, but you must be really old.

[Argus]

Interesting points, but you must be really old.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sometimes I feel like I am - like when I'm shoveling out the bloody driveway.

[Montgomery Burns]

I guess it is a matter of perception. Some say that Martin showed passion, but I thought he showed panic. Besides, if Harper started showing more "passion", the media would bring up the "angry Harper" meme again.

I got a chuckle when CTV brought in the head of the liberal polling firm Strategic Council to announce that according to a poll he did after the debate--his conclusion is that "a big chunk of people could not say definitively who won the debate."

Robert Fife, CTV’s Ottawa bureau chief, chimed in: "This has got to be disappointing to Stephen Harper... he’s not connecting with voters. He’s too serious. He doesn’t show any warmth or passion."

Perhaps the CTV decided they needed to spin the debate aftermath when they saw the results of their very own online poll of 9971 people, which clearly showed Harper the winner (Harper 51%, Layton 21%, Martin 18%, and Duceppe 10%).

There was also an online poll at Canoe that had Harper getting 65% of the votes, although it was only at 1200+ votes when I checked it about a week ago (the link has expired).

[Montgomery Burns]

kimmy:

I never really considered myself a right winger before I arrived here, but everybody else on the forum seems to think I am.  I doubt I'd qualify as being "from the right" in your opinion, but whatever.

From what I have seen of your posts, I think of you as being right-of-centre. You might disagree, but as you say, whatever...

A reason that I (as well as shoop and others, I assume) like to use "mainstream" media sources in these discussions is that it eliminates an issue of contention right away.  If I'm debating with someone and I reach for a media source that they're skeptical of, they'll tend to scoff at the information I'm presenting. But if I offer a media source that they accept, they have to confront the information rather than dismissing the source.

Maybe so, but that is changing as the public has slowly come to realize that the MSM has been caught so many times spinning, or telling outright lies. Why do you think that the MSM's viewership keeps on dropping? Tom Brokaw was considered the most valuable news anchor of the Big Three because his numbers didn't drop as badly as CBS and NBC. Why do you think that the Fox News Channel gets higher cable ratings than CNN, CNN Headline News, MSNBC, and CNBC combined?

Why do you think so many liberals foam at the mouth at the mention of the FNC?

Why do you think the Liberal Party-controlled CRTC banned the FNC for 5 years? They are upset that their control of the media is slipping away.

Why do you think that newspaper circulation is dropping so much? How much do you believe of what the NY Times reports?

Look at the stock price of the NY Times. The thing is that the MSM injects opinion into many of their "news" reports, and they have decide what stories should be reported and what stories should not be reported.

News stories that can be verified from a number of national media sources beat single-source items from local outlets or blogs.

I have to disagree with you here. Bloggers do not have the resources to "report" as much of the news as the MSM does, but I find them much more reliable. And if you aren't reliable, you are subjected to fact-checking by thousands (or tens or hundreds of thousands of readers). The MSM constantly inserts falsehoods (remember the CP article I recently linked to that said that Harper promised to make gay marriage illegal if he was PM--an outright lie) or opinion into their "news" reports.

Just as an example from 2 days ago courtesy of CTV: "But Harper stopped short Friday of vowing his party would avoid negative campaigning in its bid to mislead the public in its bid to form a Conservative government.

Within hours, the italicized part was deleted on CTV's site. Why? Because they were likely deluged with emails from rightwing blogs and their readers and they knew that they were caught by thousands of people. As usual, there was no correction or retraction noted for its readers. That's why so many bloggers take screen shots of MSM articles. They get caught and cleverly get rid of the evidence and offer no correction or retraction to their readers. This happens on a near daily basis.

Bloggers like Michelle Malkin offer a treasure trove of information that the MSM will not report. What about Captain Ed? Many Canadians visited his blog for his reports on the Gomery Inquiry when there was a publication ban put on a public hearing.

The right is watching the liberal MSM.

No longer can CBC put up a cropped cartoon image of Harper giving a Nazi salute without being forced to yank it from their website (as happened a few days ago).

No longer can Walter Cronkite go on national TV and report that the US lost the Tet Offensive (an outright lie) to demoralize the country and promote their agenda.

No longer can the NY Times refuse to report the $875,000 that Air America stole from that Brooklyn charity for inner-city children.

No longer can the NY Times report bogus pre-election stories about 380 tons of weapons disappearing under the nose of the US military in Iraq.

No longer can the MSM ignore the Swift Boat Veterans (their book was on the NY Times bestseller list but the NTY had not written one word about them). You'd think that 264 of 270 Swifties coming out against Kerry might be a big story, no?

No longer can CBS pass off forged documents without the bloggers being right on the story and discrediting it.

No longer can the AP report that Bush supporters booed Clinton's name when Bush wished him well at a Bush rally. (Fox News was there and had the audio which proved it was a lie).

No longer can Paul Begala and James Carville host a poltical talk show on CNN without the public learning that they were doing this while being advisors to the Kerry campaign at the same time.

No longer can CNN's Eason Jordan go to conferences in foreign countries and make the outrageous claim that the US military was deliberately killing journalists. The media refused to report on this, but the pressure of the blogosphere forced him to resign.

What about former Clinton National Security Adviser Sandy Berger being caught on video stealing highly classified terrorism documents from the National Archives (which he then shredded)? You'd think that would be a big story, no? According to the MSM, it was not a big story. I believe that the NY Times reported it once (after waiting a few days), the WaPo reported it twice, and the LA Times reported it once. Nothing to see. Let's move on to more important things - like whether Bush missed a physical 30 years ago in the TANG.

What about this article from Reuters last week?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush ranks as the least popular and most bellicose of the last ten U.S. presidents, according to a new survey.

Only nine percent of the 662 people polled picked Bush as their favorite among the last 10 presidents. John F. Kennedy topped that part of the survey, with 26 percent, closely followed by Bill Clinton (25 percent) and Ronald Reagan (23 percent).

9+26+25+23=83 in most people's book. That leaves 17% who voted for the other 6 presidents (2.83% average), so how in the hell can Bush (9%) be ranked least popular?

How much do you hear about Clinton-appointed federal judge issuing a judgement of $104 million for two 9-11 families against Iraq for its complicity in the 9-11 terror attacks?

I could go on and on, but to sum it up, I am generally skeptical of what the MSM reports.

Hard facts, when they're available, beat pretty much everything. A link to the text of Bill C-250 beats someone's claims of what's in Bill C-250 or a news-article summary of debate on Bill C-250.

A link would be fine but most of these bills or commission reports are very long and again and again, we find that the MSM picks out one sentence that suits their agenda and uses that as a headline. Remember Democrat Lee Hamilton lamenting why the MSM media was reporting that the 9-11 Commission concluded that there were no links between Saddam and Al Qaeda? It was untrue. If you have the patience and wherewithall (like some bloggers do), we found out that the 9-11 Commission could not prove that Saddam was involved in 9-11. However, as Lee Hamilton said, "there were many links between Saddam and Al Qaeda, no doubt about it." However the MSM refused to report it; only conservative news sources reported this and then we get the old "They're lying" mantra.

[newbie]

Monty, you might be skeptical of MSM reporting due to its bias, but they're very tame compared to the competition over at Fox. I like this quote:

"If you watch ABC news for 48 hours, you will detect a lefty bias in story choice and interview subjects. If you watch Fox News for 48 seconds, the righty bias will stomp you on the head." http://www.slate.com/id/93999

And I hear they have the great Bob Novak and Tucker Carlson on board. A great fit.

[Montgomery Burns]

Monty, you might be skeptical of MSM reporting due to its bias, but they're very tame compared to the competition over at Fox. I like this quote:

"If you watch ABC news for 48 hours, you will detect a lefty bias in story choice and interview subjects. If you watch Fox News for 48 seconds, the righty bias will stomp you on the head." http://www.slate.com/id/93999

And I hear they have the great Bob Novak and Tucker Carlson on board. A great fit.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for linking to a 61 month old article by the Washington Post-owned Slate. And no, Robert Novak and Tucker Carlson are not "on board" at the FNC.

Have you ever watched the FNC? I ask this because it was banned for 5 years in Canada by the Liberal Party-controlled CRTC, and to this day is not readily available to the public (I had to buy a digital box to receive it on Channel 142...CNN is on basic cable; Channel 18).

Is it because Democrats are regulary demolished on the FNC when forced to defend their stance against Republicans?

You should thank the FNC. They are forcing the Democrats to sharpen up their dulled debating skills. Instead of the liberal MSM calling for the men with white coats when faced with Kerry, Dean, Pelosi, Boxer, Reid, and Murtha talking what in any reasonable sense is pure drivel, the fawning MSM nods solemnly and wonders whether Bush is living "in a bubble" (as Newsweek's new issue has on their front cover).

No wonder these clowns are so out of touch with the majority of the public.

[Montgomery Burns]

Besides lying, the lazy media often are guilty of omission.  For example, I've not come across a single story in the mainstream media during the campaign about Harper's opposition to including sexual orientation in hate crimes legislation. 

Nor did they mention Martin's glowing endorsement of middle aged men who like to have sex with teenage boys, and that he only wishes he had more of them in his cabinet.

You'll have to explain this one... because it would appear to be completely unfounded and libellous....

You Child Porn Crusaders can't seem to let up on this kind of topic... and don't appear to care to present any facts to back up your allegations.....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Leave it to err to get upset with people who try to stop child porn.

[Montgomery Burns]

The truly embarrassing thing about the debates was the leaders insisting that they would have never sent Canadian troops into Iraq to enforce the law.

I want the Iraqis and the rest of the world to know that not all Canadians are greedy blood-money-grabbing cretins like Chretien who was only interested in keeping Saddam in power so his family could continue to receive more money from TotalFinaElf oil company.

Not all Canadians are cowards who instantly have a knee-jerk reaction to anything the US does...

...and not all Canadians are bigots who think that those brown-skinned Iraqis deserve nothing better in life than to live under the boot of a psychotic mass-murdering dictator.

Please forgive us.

[newbie]

Monty, I guess it was Novak that went: http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/ap/20.../ap2397980.html

Now isn't he the guy that sold out, on live TV, the name of a CIA agent? Yeah, he will definitely fit in well over at Fox. Now as far as your ranting about bias, you should try and talk Rupert Murdoch into buying some Canadian media. Then this paragon of virtue could enlighten all of Canadians with his tabloid journalism that has been so successful in the U.S. The "right" should eat that up given results in America. Oh, and while MSM may get some things wrong in their reporting, at least they don't make them up.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410040006.