Harper's future

[normanchateau]

Please. Martin's credibility is gone. All he's got left is another minority, *IF* he is lucky, and a spot in the history books as the second least successful leader of the Liberals in the last 100 years. Thank God for John Turner.

Please don't hijack this thread. The topic was Harper and the new leader of the Liberals, not Martin.

[shoop]

Uhhh, wouldn't Martin necessarily have to be part of a discussion of the new leader of the Liberals!

Please don't hijack this thread. The topic was Harper and the new leader of the Liberals, not Martin.

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[normanchateau]

Uhhh, wouldn't Martin necessarily have to be part of a discussion of the new leader of the Liberals! 

He'll be as influential as Chretien was in picking his successor.

[shoop]

Your silence speaks volumes to the fact that my post wasn't a personal attack. Is short-term memory another issue for you?

He'll be as influential as Chretien was in picking his successor. 

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[normanchateau]

Your silence speaks volumes to the fact that my post wasn't a personal attack. Is short-term memory another issue for you?

He'll be as influential as Chretien was in picking his successor. 

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I'll try again. Pleasse try not to engage in personal attacks.

[shoop]

If you think that is a personal attack you have much bigger issues than this board. Do you remember that "phantom poll" you posted that you fought back with by accusing me of questioning your honesty? I still haven't seen a link to that one...

I'll try again.  Pleasse try not to engage in personal attacks.

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[normanchateau]

If you think that is a personal attack you have much bigger issues than this board. Do you remember that "phantom poll" you posted that you fought back with by accusing me of questioning your honesty? I still haven't seen a link to that one...

Please stop with the personal attacks. I responded to your comments about the phantom poll on that thread on December 2nd.

[shoop]

Refresh my memory (with a link if you please) on how you "reminded me". See when somebody comes onto a board to attack, attack, attack and mess with the purpose of the board naturally some of the regulars will respond. Within the rules of the board, while maintaining respect for the wishes of the moderator. I feel comfortable in what I am doing...

If you think that is a personal attack you have much bigger issues than this board. Do you remember that "phantom poll" you posted that you fought back with by accusing me of questioning your honesty? I still haven't seen a link to that one...

Please stop with the personal attacks. I responded to your comments about the phantom poll on that thread on December 2nd.

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[Vancouver King]

The downside of all this potential cooperation with the Bloc is that it gives the new Liberal leader a very big stick to bloody the Tories.

Downside?

With a new leader in place and social/religious conservative Harper desperately relying on the radical BQ to prop him up as PM in return for Mulroney-style handouts to Quebec, the Liberals will forget Martin as quickly as they forgot Chretien, and will go on to form a majority.

Upside is that Canadians finally get a majority government again and CPC will have to wait a little longer to get a palatable leader or better still, transform into the PCs.

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Resolved, a minority govt under Harper will be a disaster for the CPC and the county. What if the current polls are right and Martin is returned with another NDP propped govt and, in short order, Tories anoint Peter McKay as leader?

I wonder if your dynamic of fresh new CPC leader vs. tired, can't-seem-to-win Martin, hold true? McKay could be expected to disavow Harper's strict stance on SSM, close ties to USA etc. This might be Tories earliest winning scenario.

[normanchateau]

I feel comfortable in what I am doing...

I'm sorry to hear that.

[shoop]

Why would a minority gov't under Harper be a disaster?

Harper's stance if far from strict. He will open the question of re-introducing the traditional definition of message to a free vote in the house of commons. If it fails, so be it.

Closer ties to the U.S. would help reolve disputes like softwood lumber...

Resolved,  a minority govt under Harper will be a disaster for the CPC and the county. What if the current polls are right and Martin is returned with another NDP propped govt and, in short order, Tories anoint Peter McKay as leader?

I wonder if your dynamic of fresh new CPC leader vs. tired, can't-seem-to-win Martin, hold true? McKay could be expected to disavow Harper's strict stance on SSM, close ties to USA etc. This might be Tories earliest winning scenario.

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[normanchateau]

I wonder if your dynamic of fresh new CPC leader vs. tired, can't-seem-to-win Martin, hold true? McKay could be expected to disavow Harper's strict stance on SSM, close ties to USA etc. This might be Tories earliest winning scenario.

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Peter MacKay is tainted by his betrayal of the PCs. CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay.

[shoop]

See normie, you started out on the right path. A fair assessment of MacKay, but you had to add the kneejerk attack on Harper. Why oh why?

Peter MacKay is tainted by his betrayal of the PCs.  CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay.

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[tml12]

Why would a minority gov't under Harper be a disaster?

Harper's stance if far from strict. He will open the question of re-introducing the traditional definition of message to a free vote in the house of commons. If it fails, so be it.

Closer ties to the U.S. would help reolve disputes like softwood lumber...

Resolved,  a minority govt under Harper will be a disaster for the CPC and the county. What if the current polls are right and Martin is returned with another NDP propped govt and, in short order, Tories anoint Peter McKay as leader?

I wonder if your dynamic of fresh new CPC leader vs. tired, can't-seem-to-win Martin, hold true? McKay could be expected to disavow Harper's strict stance on SSM, close ties to USA etc. This might be Tories earliest winning scenario.

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Of course but many Canadians seem to believe that closer ties to the U.S. means they'll take over. Seriously, when are we going to wake up and realize we have nothing to lose by being a LITTLE bit cordial???

[normanchateau]

See normie, you started out on the right path. A fair assessment of MacKay, but you had to add the kneejerk attack on Harper. Why oh why?

Peter MacKay is tainted by his betrayal of the PCs.  CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay.

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Because I sincerely believe that CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay by choosing one of their other current MPs.

[tml12]

See normie, you started out on the right path. A fair assessment of MacKay, but you had to add the kneejerk attack on Harper. Why oh why?

Peter MacKay is tainted by his betrayal of the PCs.  CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay.

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Because I sincerely believe that CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay by choosing one of their other current MPs.

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Like...

[shoop]

I think it is a symptom of a larger malady. The arrogance and mean-spirited attitude towards the U.S. hides feelings of inadequacy and intimidation.

Sadly, we are missing a great opportunity here. Americans generally wouldn't care, but any friend for Bush right now would be a great friend.

Of course but many Canadians seem to believe that closer ties to the U.S. means they'll take over.  Seriously, when are we going to wake up and realize we have nothing to lose by being a LITTLE bit cordial??? 

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[normanchateau]

See normie, you started out on the right path. A fair assessment of MacKay, but you had to add the kneejerk attack on Harper. Why oh why?

Peter MacKay is tainted by his betrayal of the PCs.  CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay.

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Because I sincerely believe that CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay by choosing one of their other current MPs.

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Like...

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James Moore.

[tml12]

See normie, you started out on the right path. A fair assessment of MacKay, but you had to add the kneejerk attack on Harper. Why oh why?

Peter MacKay is tainted by his betrayal of the PCs.  CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay.

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Because I sincerely believe that CPC can do better than Harper or MacKay by choosing one of their other current MPs.

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Like...

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James Moore.

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OK I'll do a little research...

[tml12]

I think it is a symptom of a larger malady. The arrogance and mean-spirited attitude towards the U.S. hides feelings of inadequacy and intimidation.

Sadly, we are missing a great opportunity here. Americans generally wouldn't care, but any friend for Bush right now would be a great friend.

Of course but many Canadians seem to believe that closer ties to the U.S. means they'll take over.  Seriously, when are we going to wake up and realize we have nothing to lose by being a LITTLE bit cordial???  

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AGREED Shoop!!!

[shoop]

James is a good guy, but pretty young. Give him a decade or so in public life.

He will only be 29 at the time of the next election. Harper and MacKay have both had to deal with questions concerning their experience. That would be a natural issue with Moore at the helm.

Come on normie there are other CPC MPs who voted for SSM. Do you have any other reasons for supporting Moore?

James Moore.

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[tml12]

James is a good guy, but pretty young. Give him a decade or so in public life.

He will only be 29 at the time of the next election. Harper and MacKay have both had to deal with

Come on normie there are other CPC MPs who voted for SSM. Do you have any other reasons for supporting Moore?

James Moore.

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Belinda may go back to the CPC

Seriously though she is attractive...but I am not so sure as a candidate...

[Leafless]

I wonder how the federal Liberals and their Quebec Wing Liberals would feel about the U.S if they were Franco rather than Anglo.

Would there still be this anti- U.S. animosity?

Is it all about a 'spot light on Quebec thing' being dimished from a Liberal perpective?

[normanchateau]

Moore's the most impressive back bencher in any of the political parties and incredibly bright and articulate. I believe he's asked more questions of the government of any back bencher in Parliament. He represents the only BC riding with a significant number of francophones and is not only fluently bilingual but actually speaks with a Quebecois joual. He'd do well in Quebec which is essential for CPC. Also, he's neither a social nor religious conservative. Sadly, religious conservatives in his riding are so opposed to his voting for C-38 that they're running an independent in hopes that Moore will lose his seat to the NDP or Liberals. For someone like me to be willing to vote CPC with Moore running the show suggests that he has appeal beyond the usual

Reform/Alliance/CPC supporters.

[shoop]

Like I said Moore will make a good leadership candidate one day.

My French is ok, but not great. Couldn't find joual in my dictionary? Est-ce que cette mot largot pour acccent?

I have noticed a huge difference between the accents in the smaller town parts of Québec and Montréal/Québec city. Do explain where his joual fits in.

Say what you will but Moore will win again. Interesting in all your hatred for Harper how you never mentioned the fact that he allowed a free vote on C-38, while Martin didn't. Or is representing constituents views only important when they are your views, regardless of the riding?

Moore's the most impressive back bencher in any of the political parties and incredibly bright and articulate.  I believe he's asked more questions of the government of any back bencher in Parliament.  He represents the only BC riding with a significant number of francophones and is not only fluently bilingual but actually speaks with a Quebecois joual. He'd do well in Quebec which is essential for CPC. Also, he's neither a social nor religious conservative.  Sadly, religious conservatives in his riding are so opposed to his voting for C-38 that they're running an independent in hopes that Moore will lose his seat to the NDP or Liberals.  For someone like me to be willing to vote CPC with Moore running the show suggests that he has appeal beyond the usual

Reform/Alliance/CPC supporters.

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