GG's powers

[bigroy]

I'm thinking this non-confidence motion is not constitutional.

I can't see any motion being defined as a non-confidence motion unless it is a money bill. I'm prepared to be educated on the subject.

I recall studying the King-Byng affair of 1924 ... if you're interested, see:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/parli...al/history.html

I'm thinking the GG has the power to tell the gov't that this, so-called "non-confidence motion" is not a non- confidence motion, at all. And to get back to work.

Which is what the majority of Canadians are telling them - we don't want an elex'n right now and the polls all confirm that. Hey, not that we should be governed by polls, but we don't want an elex'n and we don't want to be governed by a crew of foaming at the mouth politicians in rut over the possibility they may gain some minute edge on the other - at our great expense.

[shoop]

I'm thinking you are misguided. If the Liberals were to ignore this motion, again, they would definitely face the wrath of the public.

I'm thinking the GG has the power to tell the gov't that this, so-called "non-confidence motion" is not a non- confidence motion, at all. And to get back to work.

Which is what the majority of Canadians are telling them - we don't want an elex'n right now and the polls all confirm that. Hey, not that we should be governed by polls, but we don't want an elex'n and we don't want to be governed by a crew of foaming at the mouth politicians in rut over the possibility they may gain some minute edge on the other - at our great expense.

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[mcqueen625]

I'm thinking this non-confidence motion is not constitutional.

I can't see any motion being defined as a non-confidence motion unless it is a money bill. I'm prepared to be educated on the subject.

I recall studying the King-Byng affair of 1924 ... if you're interested, see:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/parli...al/history.html

I'm thinking the GG has the power to tell the gov't that this, so-called "non-confidence motion" is not a non- confidence motion, at all. And to get back to work.

Which is what the majority of Canadians are telling them - we don't want an elex'n right now and the polls all confirm that. Hey, not that we should be governed by polls, but we don't want an elex'n and we don't want to be governed by a crew of foaming at the mouth politicians in rut over the possibility they may gain some minute edge on the other - at our great expense.

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Whether the polls say Canadian's don't want an election or not, the point is that with the motion that was passed by the majority of sitting MP's it really means that we have no choice whether we have an election or not, and neither does the G.G., simply because without the support of the majority, government business cannot get done. It's quite obvious that Paul Martin wants to hang onto power any way he can. It also tells me that this is not about working for the people, this is about Martin and is own ego. He refused to admit that he does not have a majority and therefore really has no mandate from the people to govern in the first place. I think our political system needs to be changed to a proportional style of government similar to what PEI is about to hold a referendum on. Those in power obviously don't want to change a system that has worked for them for decades, but has not been working for the people of for true democracy. I think we also need to switch to some type of fixed terms, and similar to the U.S. whereby 2 terms in office and you're out. That should apply not just to the Prime Minister, but to Premier's and MLA's alike. In the case of MLA's their terms could be staggered so that not all will be replaced at the same time.

If we are going to have a democracy we need to do away with this notion of having career politicians, because it results in what we presently have, people with no vision other than figuring out ways to stay in power. With that I think we also need to purge the bureaucracies starting at the top so that new and fresh ideas are constantling being tried.

Certainly what we presently have is not working for anyone but those in office.

[jonah]

any no confidence motion is to be taken seriously ..if we dont expect seriousness from our leaders ,,60 percent of whom in our aust gov,are or were lawers the question should be about seperation of law making and law moderation ..i have been in court and what occurs there,nough sad

re your gg he as ours must do the will or intent to the best for .hrh ..his office the people the physicel responsability to keep hrhs peace

you like us are not sovereign independant thus ,the gg and a colony ..protection legitimatly of the magna .carta as colonial thus british..where britan goes go her laws...what occured to the commom wealth ..comman good ..your lord ship .ibeg you do that best for us all what ever you decide is law ..under the come on weal

I'm thinking this non-confidence motion is not constitutional.

I can't see any motion being defined as a non-confidence motion unless it is a money bill. I'm prepared to be educated on the subject.

I recall studying the King-Byng affair of 1924 ... if you're interested, see:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/parli...al/history.html

I'm thinking the GG has the power to tell the gov't that this, so-called "non-confidence motion" is not a non- confidence motion, at all. And to get back to work.

Which is what the majority of Canadians are telling them - we don't want an elex'n right now and the polls all confirm that. Hey, not that we should be governed by polls, but we don't want an elex'n and we don't want to be governed by a crew of foaming at the mouth politicians in rut over the possibility they may gain some minute edge on the other - at our great expense.

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[Guest eureka]

This is a motion on a money Bill and therefore is a valid non-confidence vote. As for the other comments on "democracy" and being a colony, well! The best conductor of democracy is education and a little educating in political systems will clarify the absurdity of most of what was said.

[shoop]

Are you going to educate us with specific examples of what was absurd amongst what was said?

The best conductor of democracy is education and a little educating in political systems will clarify the absurdity of most of what was said.

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[Guest eureka]

I have tried in the past to do that. Think about fixed terms; about staggered elections; non career politicians. Think of the idea that a minority government does not have a mandate to govern; particularly when linked with support for proportional representation thar guarantees minority government in perpetuity.

The rave by our Australian friend about whatever it was about: don't bother to think about that. It is the headache causing varieyt.

[speaker]

I have tried in the past to do that. Think about fixed terms; about staggered elections; non career politicians. Think of the idea that a minority government does not have a mandate to govern; particularly when linked with support for proportional representation thar guarantees minority government in perpetuity.

The rave by our Australian friend about whatever it was about: don't bother to think about that. It is the headache causing varieyt.

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What we have of politicians is definely not working. what we have of government is better than a lot of the other options there are around. If it's true that the people that want power are the last that should have it mandating term limits might just have the effect of putting pressure on them to be even more brazen in their thievery than they are now.

Proportional representation, ie each party gets a share of the seats proportional to their share of the popular vote won't prevent the corruption, but it might make it evident to a proportionally larger segment of society. What happens with it at that point is up for debate.

Government by minority has the potential of being workable and even better if the politicians came to realize that going to the polls wouldn't under any circumstances give them the free hand achieved through a majority.

[cybercoma]

I'm thinking this non-confidence motion is not constitutional.

I can't see any motion being defined as a non-confidence motion unless it is a money bill. I'm prepared to be educated on the subject.

I recall studying the King-Byng affair of 1924 ... if you're interested, see:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/parli...al/history.html

I'm thinking the GG has the power to tell the gov't that this, so-called "non-confidence motion" is not a non- confidence motion, at all. And to get back to work.

Which is what the majority of Canadians are telling them - we don't want an elex'n right now and the polls all confirm that. Hey, not that we should be governed by polls, but we don't want an elex'n and we don't want to be governed by a crew of foaming at the mouth politicians in rut over the possibility they may gain some minute edge on the other - at our great expense.

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I want an election right now.

[Riverwind]

Which is what the majority of Canadians are telling them - we don't want an elex'n right now and the polls all confirm that.

It was reasonable for Martin to ask that Gomery present his findings before going to an election. Gomery has presented his finds and I see no reason to delay it further. This parliment will accomplish nothing by delaying the election any further.

[Guest eureka]

There was an 18% turnout in the by-election in Ontario because of the weather. If this federal election is as important as we seem to think, then surely we should think a little. What if!

[apollo19]

There was an 18% turnout in the by-election in Ontario because of the weather. If this federal election is as important as we seem to think, then surely we should think a little. What if!

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I saw that on the news earlier, and I think we can all expect much less voter turnout. With that in mind, you have to ask yourself: which party has the most dedicated supporters? There is a large possibility Liberal voters who are thinking twice about voting for them may simply stay at home.. allowing one of the Opposition parties to win the riding which would have otherwise gone Liberal.

[FTA Lawyer]

There was an 18% turnout in the by-election in Ontario because of the weather. If this federal election is as important as we seem to think, then surely we should think a little. What if!

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It sickens me that we are so f-ing privileged in this country that we can even for a moment suggest that bad weather is a legitimate reason to not vote, or to not call an election (I know you are not saying it is eureka, but you are saying we should tailor the timing of an election so that useless apathetic citizens might be bothered to get off of their asses to mark an "X").

There was a previous post on another thread about the fact that our parents and grandparents sat in open trenches in the dead of winter during Christmas holidays...pausing in their killing endeavours only for a few hours of peace...in order to give us the country we enjoy today.

And in return, 18 out of every 100 of us is brave enough to put on a coat and gloves to exercise democracy...disgusting.

We have sat and watched Iraqi men and women brave outright threats, bombings and assasinations to turn out to the polls in droves because of the importance of the principles of democracy and freedom...but we don't want to miss Survivor, or interrupt our leisure time or God forbid get a cold nose.

Shame on anyone who has the nerve to complain about when we have to vote, and even more contempt for anyone who won't take the time to do so.

FTA

[Guest eureka]

I agree more or less with your sentiments, FTA, but with qualifications.

We know what can happen and we should prepare accordingly. There is also, a growing number in Canada who simply cannot get to the polls in a snowstorm. Amongst them are many who would be most likely to vote.

Further, in a city like Toronto, even the four hours early leaving of work will not get many commuters home and to the polls in time in the kind of weather that Canada can experience. It was something like that that resulted in the 18% vote. Not that I excuse that one since the storm was not too serious.

[August1991]

It sickens me that we are so f-ing privileged in this country that we can even for a moment suggest that bad weather is a legitimate reason to not vote...

Shame on anyone who has the nerve to complain about when we have to vote, and even more contempt for anyone who won't take the time to do so.

FTA

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A civilized society is not measured by voter turnout statistics, nor is a democracy. IMV, the best measure of a government's legitimacy is the willingness of citizens to pay taxes and the government's ability to collect them.

My single vote will change absolutely nothing in the final result of the next federal election. If I don't vote, the result will be the same. The same is not true of my tax payments.

The error here is to confuse the individual and the collective.

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With all that said, I think the Feb 1980 election showed a drop in voter turnout of about 10% from the previous May 1979 election. Turnout was 60% in Jun 2004 so we may dip below 50% this time. I frankly see no harm in that.

[jonah]

It sickens me that we are so f-ing privileged in this country that we can even for a moment suggest that bad weather is a legitimate reason to not vote...  i support this those qualities we ..suppress even within ourselces we loose ..the right of every one in canida concerned of yruth to take response.ability is a reflection of our freedom ..and ability or will to do..work not alone in the word prayey but of our deeds that see the jude.ment of man

Shame  congratulation on anyone who has the nerve to complain ..it is the squeeky wheel who ask to drink after the harvest .that more is given because more was done.

about when we have to vote, when our legs dont want or cannot walk ..even to help..this is where i am know and even more contempt for anyone who won't take the time to do so...of  deed not word alone prayer without deed is the one hand wa-n-king..come on shake it oot yoo coomoon can-a -doings onece more with passion for our father..who art lord of the seven he..forgive us lord ,the only grace for it is thy will being done

FTA

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A civilized society is not measured by voter turnout statistics, nor is a democracy...but by the common wealth rthat abound in gods creation ..and the suns ant daughters of the only IMV, the best measure of a government's legitimacy is the willingness of citizens to pay taxes and the government's ability to collect them.

My single vote will change absolutely nothing in the final result of the next federal election. If I don't vote, the result will be the same. The same is not true of my tax payments.

The error here is to confuse the individual and the collective.

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With all that said, I think the Feb 1980 election showed a drop in voter turnout of about 10% from the previous May 1979 election. Turnout was 60% in Jun 2004 so we may dip below 50% this time. I frankly see no harm in that.

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[jonah]

It sickens me that we are so f-ing privileged in this country that we can even for a moment suggest that bad weather is a legitimate reason to not vote...  i support this those qualities we ..suppress even within ourselces we loose ..the right of every one in canida concerned of yruth to take response.ability is a reflection of our freedom ..and ability or will to do..work not alone in the word prayey but of our deeds that see the jude.ment of man

Shame  congratulation on anyone who has the nerve to complain ..it is the squeeky wheel who ask to drink after the harvest .that more is given because more was done.

about when we have to vote, when our legs dont want or cannot walk ..even to help..this is where i am know and even more contempt for anyone who won't take the time to do so...of  deed not word alone prayer without deed is the one hand wa-n-king..come on shake it oot yoo coomoon can-a -doings onece more with passion for our father..who art lord of the seven he..forgive us lord ,the only grace for it is thy will being done

FTA

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A civilized society is not measured by voter turnout statistics, nor is a democracy...but by the common wealth rthat abound in gods creation ..and the suns ant daughters of the only IMV, the best measure of a government's legitimacy is the willingness of citizens to pay taxes and the government's ability to collect them.

My single vote will change absolutely nothing in the final result of the next federal election. If I don't vote, the result will be the same. The same is not true of my tax payments.

The error here is to confuse the individual and the collective.

-error here is to explain or complain..not to con or fuse or ..and heres one i hope to have to explain,ex..over..past plain ..language please explain

then explain this in..divide..dual---collect a 6

With all that said, I think the Feb 1980 election showed a drop in voter turnout of about 10% from the previous May 1979 election.

what was the wether or not who got what

Turnout was 60% in Jun 2004 so we may dip below 50% this time.

i wi ll take that bet..even money ..whats the stake..

who can we BOTH trust..I am trusting dog

I frankly see no harm in that.

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