What are the "5 ambitious agendas"

[Argus]

In a report quoted in the Citizen today, Kim Nossal, head of politcal sciences at Queens, talks about Martin's "five ambitious objectives", which, he said, if taken seriously, would commit Canada "to a vast project of global reform, change and commitment." She also says "Any one of the responsibilities, let alone all five together, would overwhelm any government in Ottawa that tried to embrace them.

"These ideals are nothing more than feel-good and sound-good rehetoric spun by accomplished speechwriters to be put in the mouth of a politician who appears to be addicted to self-referential and self-congratulatory rhetoric that can be fed to a populace that is itself deeply addicted to hearing flattering portrayals of Canada's role in the world."

So what are the five? One is obviously Kyoto, which we embrace but are doing nothing about. The others?

[August1991]

Argus, Martin has decided that five is too ambitious. There are only four:

1. Creating opportunities for all Canadians;

2. Advancing an innovative economy;

3. Positioning Canada at the centre of global commerce and networks; and

4. Building the right investment environment.

PMO

[Riverwind]

Argus, Martin has decided that five is too ambitious.

I find these pre-election goody handouts quite tiresome, however, my question is where are the Conservatives? Why aren't they out there grabbing media attention with policy annoucements? Why are they letting the Liberals get all of the attention?

[Canuck E Stan]

I would guess, and this is only a guess the other four would be something like:

-Bring ALL of the third world's population to Canada until the Canadian becomes the visible minority.

-Make public healthcare an issue until we are all dead.

-Make Quebec financially stable so they can separate with dignity.

-Make sure government is always a profitable venture for those that run it.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Canuck E Stan,

Make sure government is always a profitable venture for those that run it.

This one I would change to: -make sure that no gov't corruption (such as Adscam) is ever found out about again. (did I say 'found out'? I meant 'allowed'.)

[tml12]

Dear Canuck E Stan,

Make sure government is always a profitable venture for those that run it.

This one I would change to: -make sure that no gov't corruption (such as Adscam) is ever found out about again. (did I say 'found out'? I meant 'allowed'.)

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The Canadian government is full of it in these five areas:

1) Pretending it can keep healthcare 100% public.

2) Pretending it can keep the U.S. out of our foreign policy (Trudeau failed here and if he failed, his successors will fail too).

3) Pretending Canadians are so much different than Americans.

4) Using increased taxes to make everything seem better.

5) Convincing itself that by stretching our armed forces so thin they make a 15 year old with an eating disorder seem 5000 pounds that somehow the terrorists will "like" us.

And to think I still haven't abandoned the Liberals altogether (what is wrong with me).

And I realize that comment about eating disorders isn't funny. Neither is the state of our armed forces.

[err]

Argus, Martin has decided that five is too ambitious.

I find these pre-election goody handouts quite tiresome, however, my question is where are the Conservatives? Why aren't they out there grabbing media attention with policy annoucements? Why are they letting the Liberals get all of the attention?

I don't think we'll hear the CPC party's real objectives until after they get into office....

[Biblio Bibuli]

And to think I still haven't abandoned the Liberals altogether (what is wrong with me).

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With Michael Ignatieff ready to slip in you'd better NOT abandon them.

One senior Liberal source told me today that Michael Ignatieff is "pretty much a lock", and added that efforts to find him a Toronto area riding were well under way. (Or did I read that in John Ivison's article in today's NP on page A6, I forget?)

SO ... what riding will it be? Could it be that Bill Graham has 'Toronto Centre' all Christmas gift-wrapped for him?

That's my guess, anyway.

[tml12]

And to think I still haven't abandoned the Liberals altogether (what is wrong with me).

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

With Michael Ignatieff ready to slip in you'd better NOT abandon them.

One senior Liberal source told me today that Michael Ignatieff is "pretty much a lock", and added that efforts to find him a Toronto area riding were well under way. (Or did I read that in John Ivison's article in today's NP on page A6, I forget?)

SO ... what riding will it be? Could it be that Bill Graham has 'Toronto Centre' all Christmas gift-wrapped for him?

That's my guess, anyway.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ignatieff is so much more of a modern intellectual then say Trudeau. Ignatieff understands that we NEED AN ARMY, NEED A MILITARY, NEED SUBMARINES WITH DOORS THAT CAN OPEN AND CLOSE.

Yeah I would totally vote Liberal with Ignatieff at the healm.

[shoop]

Because you don't want. Much easier for you to fight the Phantom Menace than to actually read their platform and try and dispute it. Sad, sad, sad....

I don't think we'll hear the CPC party's real objectives until after they get into office....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

[August1991]

And to think I still haven't abandoned the Liberals altogether (what is wrong with me).

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

With Michael Ignatieff ready to slip in you'd better NOT abandon them.

One senior Liberal source told me today that Michael Ignatieff is "pretty much a lock", and added that efforts to find him a Toronto area riding were well under way. (Or did I read that in John Ivison's article in today's NP on page A6, I forget?)

SO ... what riding will it be? Could it be that Bill Graham has 'Toronto Centre' all Christmas gift-wrapped for him?

That's my guess, anyway.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As to Ignatieff, I found this quote in Chantal Hebert's column interesting:

In Toronto, Michael Ignatieff has been shopping for months for a seat to make the jump from academia to politics. So far, the only vacant Liberal riding in the GTA is that of Carolyn Parrish and it is home to a significant Muslim community that is unlikely to be enamoured of a Liberal candidate such as Ignatieff, who supported the Iraq war.

Imagine that.

[Guest eureka]

Ignatieff probably does want an army. He also wants to use it. I believe that he rather fancies himself as a War Prime Minister. He missed out on Iraq but will surely be right there on any American militayr adventure if he ever becomes Prime Minister.

Ignatieff also supports Quebec's language laws even though he is supposed to be a champion of human rights and the United ations has condemned those laws.

Ignatieff is nothing but an opportunist and a fraud. His intellectualism is a pretense.

[tml12]

Ignatieff probably does want an army. He also wants to use it. I believe that he rather fancies himself as a War Prime Minister. He missed out on Iraq but will surely be right there on any American militayr adventure if he ever becomes Prime Minister.

Ignatieff also supports Quebec's language laws even though he is supposed to be a champion of human rights and the United ations has condemned those laws.

Ignatieff is nothing but an opportunist and a fraud. His intellectualism is a pretense.

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You're statements are quite intimidating. Are you saying that Ignatieff is a left-wing communist hiding under some kind of moderate centrist Liberal platform? Explain.

[err]

Ignatieff is so much more of a modern intellectual then say Trudeau.  Ignatieff understands that we NEED AN ARMY, NEED A MILITARY, NEED SUBMARINES WITH DOORS THAT CAN OPEN AND CLOSE.

Yeah I would totally vote Liberal with Ignatieff at the healm.

When you call him "intellectual", is that "George Bush" style intellectual ???

[err]

You're statements are quite intimidating.  Are you saying that Ignatieff is a left-wing communist hiding under some kind of moderate centrist Liberal platform?  Explain.

I think it is more likely that he is a right-wing (aka Conservative) looking to get elected.... under the guise of a "Liberal"... You'll note the the "left wing commies" arent the warmongers... It's the right wing ....

(I was going to answer your "left-wing commies" comment with "right-wing facists", but managed to subdue the urge)

[Biblio Bibuli]

[ignatieff is so much more of a modern intellectual then say Trudeau.  Ignatieff understands that we NEED AN ARMY, NEED A MILITARY, NEED SUBMARINES WITH DOORS THAT CAN OPEN AND CLOSE.

Yeah I would totally vote Liberal with Ignatieff at the healm.

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I bet you that if Trudeau read some quotes from Ignatieff's 2004 book, The Lesser Evil, like: ....

"When democracies fight terrorism, they are defending the proposition that their political life should be free of violence. But defeating terror requires violence. It may also require coercion, deception, secrecy and violation of rights."

or: ....

"Liberal societies cannot be defended by herbivores. We need carnivores to save us."

.... he would agree.

I don't think Ignatieff would wish to spend big bucks on a big army. Only enough that we don't look ridiculous compared to other nations our size. Like Trudeau did. I think he wants the American carnivores to protect us. Like Trudeau did.

[Biblio Bibuli]

I bet you that if Trudeau read some quotes from Ignatieff's 2004 book, The Lesser Evil, like: ....

"When democracies fight terrorism, they are defending the proposition that their political life should be free of violence. But defeating terror requires violence. It may also require coercion, deception, secrecy and violation of rights."

.... he would agree.

I bet you that if Michael Ignatieff read some of Pierre Trudeau's quotations, like: ....

"If a democratic society is to continue to exist, it must be able to root out the cancer of an armed, revolutionary movement that is bent on destroying the very basis of our freedom."

.... he would agree.

[Guest eureka]

I bet that if Ignatieff read anything he had not written himself he would not agree.