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I don't know if I'm alone here but I've lived in saskatoon all my life and I have never been afraid of gangs jumping me or anything like that. I also can't remember a time I have seen gang activity in saskatoon. Closest thing was when a few of my friends and I were in a park drinking and some natives came up to us asking us to "call the crips" because they wanted to fight them, then one of them went running after a car yelling "where are you crips going I'm right here".

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NATIVECHARM: A good point, and well articulated. I agree wholeheartedly. We need more police from every ethnic group, not only native, but a more visible native populace among the police forces would definitely be an asset in dealing with young natives.

TATTOODTREECEE: LOL. I can see your point, though personally I have never related pink hair and piercings with gang activity. Tattoos perhaps, but I cannot recall any threatening person who was into the more outrageous type of hairstyles, shaven-heads aside.

If I see someone wearing gang colours, I tread carefully, but otherwise I simply consider all the things you've listed as personal fashion statements.

SHRELLO: As Trecee so astutely pointed out, many people confuse appearance with intent. Those type of people coming upon a group of teenagers dressed in skateboard-chic style would probably feel threatened.

Too bad, really, but that is simply the world in which we live.

I need another coffee

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I just wanted to share something for consideration> I have several friends in the police force. One of which waited FOREVER to get into the Edmonton Police Department, eventually denied, Racism too intense. This is the same with my other officer friends who want to work in the cities. They are often told to be Tribal cops and thats it.

There are many of our Native people that want to be municipal officers, so that they can help manage the situations such as gang violence, crimes etc etc. and perform as a liasion with these troubled youth. The youth are more likely to respond to an Aboriginal officer than one of another race that has shown hatred and contempt for their people in the past.

We could enforce positive direction with this by encouraging our government to "allow" more Native officers.

Are you kidding me? Do you know how much lower the standards are now for Indians trying to get into the RCMP? It's ridiculous that we have underqualifed officers just to satisify a minority group.

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Mah Dearest Bean Counting Geof:

Seriously..has cowtown gone to your head..or are you just one of those red neckish types that always sticks their head in the sands just long enough to figure that you can't hold your breath for too long with a mouth full of $#!t ???????????????????

Dare to engage in a full discussion of 'qualified' officers in this country's nations?

Go lay by your dish and think about what you just said.

LOL " pro--majority- crap" at it's not so finest!

It's a shame that stupidity isn't painful.

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Seriously..has cowtown gone to your head..or are you just one of those red neckish types that always sticks their head in the sands just long enough to figure that you can't hold your breath for too long with a mouth full of $#!t ???????????????????

So I make a completely valid statement, and you launch a personal attack. It reflects your intelligence.

Dare to engage in a full discussion of 'qualified' officers in this country's nations?

Absolutely. Many white and other visible ethnicities are cut from the recruiting quotas to make way for significantly lesser scoring Indians. End of story, we are selling out our police to political correctness. Personally, I want the most qualified cops, what you want, who knows.

Go lay by your dish and think about what you just said.

Need I say more about your intelligence?

LOL " pro--majority- crap" at it's not so finest!

It's not pro-majority, it's a matter of dealing with people equally despite their ethnicity.

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whats VALID about you ASSUMING our Native officers are UNDERQUALIFIED? Perhaps youre racial and personal attacks are more slyly hidden in your statements than my foward attitude.

I have noticed throughout all your postings you have an underlying, yet identifiable discriminatory attitude towards Native people. Yes I have come to accept that it is very common in this entire forum and I have also learned not to take of it personally. I know you're type and I won't respond to a person that cowers behind a desk and does nothing to make this country a better place.

I can only hope that you and your 'types' will get on the path to positive human evolution, instead of getting left behind with the rest of the narrowminded peeps that can't see past their own noses.

It's a shame that stupidity isn't painful.

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Oh no another charge of Racism. :blink:

Not on these boards. :o

And yet setting a minimum quota for non-caucasians, is perfectly OK and in no way discriminatory. :rolleyes:

Why is it that most people seem to think you have to be white to be a racist?

Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns.

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"You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

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Absolutely. Many white and other visible ethnicity are cut from the recruiting quotas to make way for significantly lesser scoring Indians. End of story, we are selling out our police to political correctness. Personally, I want the most qualified cops, what you want, who knows.
Geoffrey, police recruitment is one of the few areas where I feel race based quotas are necessary to ensure the police force can do its job effectively. Whether a cop is working the beat rousting drunks or is a detective is working on a murder case that cop's ability to do his or her job depends on a good relationship with the community. We have many communities in this country which have a large concentration of a single ethnic group which means cops from that ethnic group are in the best position to develop a good working relationship with that community - even if they are less qualified based on standardized tests.

To put it another way: if you want to be a cop in the north end of Winnipeg or Saskatoon then being native is one of the qualifications for the job.

That said, minority recruitment should never be an reason to accept incompetent cops - however, I don't believe that is the issue here. The issue is there are too many potentially competent cops and some are getting turned away because of their race.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

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My my my! Lively little place! I was actually looking for something else when I found this place. I thought there was a few things of relevance I could say. But first up, introduction.

Unlike many who like hide their identity I do not indulge in such on cowardice on the web. So my real identity is Charlie Belhumeur. I am Metis and live in Regina Saskatchewan. Tansi and Hello to everyone!

Somebody mentioned that tired old saw "hiring quotas" for aboriginals. Thats a myth. No employer anywhere in Canada has hiring quotas for aboriginals or First Nations if you prefer. All we have is Employment Equity which is really only a standard for reporting ratios of mainstream, First Nations, women, the disabled (or challenged, again if you prefer) and visible minorities. And its only enforceable to the degree that it is for government and Crown corporations, which I imagine includes at least the Federal police, but, not municipal police. There is absolutley no requirement for the private sector to report equity ratios, much less hire a given number of aboriginals. Look it up! The truth about employment equity can be found at a number of gov't websites on the topic. Some non-required sectors report EE numbers according to the standard as a public relations exercise. But, there is absolutely not any employer in Canada who is compelled by law to meet representative workforce numbers. Some try for it as the ideal, but, to date no one is even close to a representative number of aboriginal employees.

Also, there are many aboriginals who are interested in police work. In any given year, they apply for police force work on a per captia basis that is far higher than any other group. And they also get turned away on a per capitia basis that is far higher than any group.

Now on to the comments about racism. Being Metis, we get from both sides here. We're white to the Treaty abos and Indian to the whites. Its gives a person a unique position to access the various claims of racism.

First off I'd like to look at the basis each group has for animosity toward the other. White people stole everything from aboriginals at gunpoint in a homicidal robbery. Sure, sure, we have the Treaties, but, abos were more or less forced into signing them at gunpoint. Northwest Rebellion ring a bell for anyone? Then white people rounded up all the abos onto reserves that weren't a whole lot different from the the camps Nazies rounded up Jews onto. The only thing different was really a lack of ovens to dispose of the corpses. And still this was not enough. They then kidnapped the children at gunpoint and sent them off to residential schools were they were beaten, abused and sexually molested. Its not surprising Treaty Indians feel a little animosity toward whites given these experiences.

What have aborginals done to whites to desevere the animosity directed towards them? Did aboriginals steal any land from whites/ Did aboriginals kidnap and torture any white children? As far as I can tell the only basis white people have for the derision they direct at aboriginals is an idea people with white skin are better people. Without regard for personal ability, endeavour or achievement, the single mere fact of white skin makes you better than anyone else who doesn't have white skin. If you pay attention, you will find this notion of unfounded race-based superiority conspicously absent from the animosity Indians direct toward to whites. All you get from abos is the kind of utterance born out of historic crimes like the one cited above in another post "This is our Land!".

Regina, is just as bad as Saskatoon. Their inner cites would rival one another for the title of recent Maclean's article "Canada's Worst Neighborhood"! Because of the way I look and act I can walk around in the inner city with an impunity most people don't possess, but, the gangs scare the hell out of me to. However, I don't view as a race based thing. You find the odd honky thats tight with the bros. The gangs are a modern urban North American social phenomae and are no way related to aboriginal culture or First Nations as a "race" of people. Indeed, the aboriginal gangs are a result of the deliberate destruction of aboriginal culture. The gangs are a culture born out of poverty in every urban setting on the continent. Here in the northern prairies its predominantly Indians. with a few Asian and mostly white Biker types. In large cites it the south its blacks (African Americans if you prefer) and hispanics. Its in no way the defining feature or even associated with most "Indians" in Saskatchewan. Gang culture is not aboriginal culture! Gang culture is mainstream culture! Our youth learned this organizational structure and behavior from mainstream media as the only hope in hell they'll ever have at even a small slice of the pie.

As well I find no consistency in the derision directed toward aboriginals. One day a "redneck" will complain aboriginals are lazy deadbeats and only want to collect welfare. The next day this same redneck will be found complaining aboriginals are taking jobs away from whites. Some of this can be found in this thread in other posts. Whites will claim they are prosperous because of all their hard work and education and that it has little to do with the resources they stole from those lazy deadbeat aboriginals who just don't want to work. Yet at the same time look at all the screaming whites do whenever aboriginals gain back any access to natural resources. Nobody was calling that Indian guy on Pike Lake who had his fishing nets burned by whites a lazy Indian bum! They weren't accusing the aborginal lobster fisherman of Mirmachi Bay (Burnt Church) of being deadbeats who only wanted to collect welfare! Hell no! The big fear and complaint was that these abos would be too industrious and competent at their work!

All the abos have pretty much the same consistent complaints and grievances behind the derision they direct toward whites.

So their you have it, a brief introduction to a couple of observational tools that are handy for sorting out just who is who isn't really a racist. I could go on all night at what a lifetime in Saskatchewan has taught about this issue. Hopefully this is enough to give everyone a start at a rational assessment of the issue.

Good Night All!

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Somebody mentioned that tired old saw "hiring quotas" for aboriginals. Thats a myth.

The RCMP has different minimum test scores for people with Indian status.

I'd need to score about 10 percentiles higher than an Indian to qualify. What up?

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Has it ever occurred to you that, because RCMP often have to deal with Aboriginals, an Aboriginal officer has qualifications that a person from another race will never have? Perhaps then we're giving in to political correctness by hiring white officers, just to satisfy people like you and your quotas.

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