Canada: Blame America

[Montgomery Burns]

Canadian Press: Security analyst says gangs not guns, to blame for Canada's murder problem:

John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, agreed [with Condi Rice] that Americans are doing a lot to combat gun-running. But he said Canada has a gang problem, not a gun problem, and needed to stop pointing the finger at Americans.  Thompson said it's politically expedient for politicians to blame "those crazy, wacky Americans with their mad gun culture."

"It's playing to a Canadian prejudice and it's playing to their standard political supporters," he said.  By blaming the Americans, he added, politicians "don't have to talk about street gangs."

I agree. It's embarrassing that Canada seems to constantly blame its crime woes on the USA.

There's gangs freely strutting around in my city--with usually not a cop in sight.

Thank you NDP for lying when you said that you were going to hire 200 more cops for the province. Typical pantywaist appeasers when it comes to enforcing society's laws. :angry:

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Canadian Press:  Security analyst says gangs not guns, to blame for Canada's murder problem:

John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, agreed [with Condi Rice] that Americans are doing a lot to combat gun-running. But he said Canada has a gang problem, not a gun problem, and needed to stop pointing the finger at Americans.  Thompson said it's politically expedient for politicians to blame "those crazy, wacky Americans with their mad gun culture."

"It's playing to a Canadian prejudice and it's playing to their standard political supporters," he said.  By blaming the Americans, he added, politicians "don't have to talk about street gangs."

I agree. It's embarrassing that Canada seems to constantly blame its crime woes on the USA.

There's gangs freely strutting around in my city--with usually not a cop in sight.

Thank you NDP for lying when you said that you were going to hire 200 more cops for the province. Typical pantywaist appeasers when it comes to enforcing society's laws. :angry:

Well Montgomery... if we had elected an NDP government, maybe we could hold them accountable... but seeing as that is not the case, maybe we pick some other arbitrary target to blame...

I wonder if Montgomery has a theory on whether gangs with guns shoot people more often than gangs that don't have guns.

You'll always hear these pro-gun nutbars saying that guns don't kill people... people do... Well Montgomery, I'll take you out of suspense... People who have guns shoot people way more often than people who don't have guns shoot people..

But where do they get the handguns... They're rather hard to buy over the counter in Canada... But it's just a skip over the bridge to an American Wal-mart, isn't it...

[apollo19]

But where do they get the handguns... They're rather hard to buy over the counter in Canada... But it's just a skip over the bridge to an American Wal-mart, isn't it...

Most of the guns come by the way of organized crime, and then they are siphoned down to the your average joe street gang. This is heavily intertwined with the drug trade, and unless the government takes a stand against that, the gun violence will continue to rise as drug use/smuggling continues to rise.

[Montgomery Burns]

Err:

Well Montgomery... if we had elected an NDP government, maybe we could hold them accountable... but seeing as that is not the case, maybe we pick some other arbitrary target to blame...

I was talking about my province voting the NDP into power(which used every dirty unethical trick to win).

I wonder if Montgomery has a theory on whether gangs with guns shoot people more often than gangs that don't have guns.

It's only gang on gang!

If only we banned all the handguns.... Oh wait. They did that in the UK and their robbery rate went up 92% in 4 yrs.

You'll always hear these pro-gun nutbars saying that guns don't kill people... people do... Well Montgomery, I'll take you out of suspense... People who have guns shoot people way more often than people who don't have guns shoot people..

Kumbaya, My Lord....Kumbaya. Let's all hold hands together in solidarity and sing.

But where do they get the handguns... They're rather hard to buy over the counter in Canada... But it's just a skip over the bridge to an American Wal-mart, isn't it...

The Walmart Reference™: Evil Corporation®.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Montgomery Burns,

If only we banned all the handguns.... Oh wait. They did that in the UK and their robbery rate went up 92% in 4 yrs.

I know how to lower that rate...bulk all charges together when a person commits a B&E, and report them as one incident, instead of; b&e, trespassing, robbery, robbery with a gun, possession of an illegal weapon, etc. I'll bet you find the number of crimes drops to almost where it was 4 years ago....when they separated those crime incident reports.

The Walmart Reference™: Evil Corporation®.

Don't play the 'nonsense card'. How about 'Peavy Mart', instead? The three biggest commodities you'll have no trouble finding in the US are: guns (and ammo), booze, and porn. The order varies from state to state.

[August1991]

What a topic! First things first.

Well Montgomery... if we had elected an NDP government, maybe we could hold them accountable... but seeing as that is not the case, maybe we pick some other arbitrary target to blame...

NDP government, right.

Well, the police would have instructions not to profile but guns would be illegal. So the NDP Solicitor-General would have to state that police do stop 67 year old grandmothers and check their purses, and there is no instructions or data-collection about racial profiles.

Then, the NDP Revenue Minister would send out clear instructions to border guards to check incoming vehicles from the US. The minister would then fumble during the ensuing press scrum about three hour border waits for returning Canadians.

Then, the NDP Justice Minister would say that the American citizen, arrested in Canada for a gun crime, will not be extradited to Texas because there is the possibility of capital punishment.

When the NDP government is humiliated in its re-election bid, Canadian Leftists will blame the exiting NDP PM and cabinet for not being "true" Leftists.

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North America is an entity.

If we want to have fewer gun crimes in Canada, we should punish people more severely for crimes involving guns.

Arguably, Canada is no more dangerous than the US. The last time I checked, a Caucasian (white person) in California has less chance to be murdered than a person in Canada.

[newbie]

Arguably, Canada is no more dangerous than the US.  The last time I checked, a Caucasian (white person) in California has less chance to be murdered than a person in Canada.

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You're comparing a U.S. state to an entire country. Let's try U.S. vs. Canada. In the year 2000, there were 12,658 murders in US. Canada had 489. And oh, that same year California had 2079 murders. Even if 50% of them were black, your comparison is out of whack.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur

[August1991]

Arguably, Canada is no more dangerous than the US.  The last time I checked, a Caucasian (white person) in California has less chance to be murdered than a person in Canada.

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You're comparing a U.S. state to an entire country. Let's try U.S. vs. Canada. In the year 2000, there were 12,658 murders in US. Canada had 489. And oh, that same year California had 2079 murders. Even if 50% of them were black, your comparison is out of whack.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur

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California has about the same population as Canada, around 30 million.

In 2000, 421 "white" people were murdered in California. Attorney-General California.

You state that in 2000, 489 Canadians were murdered.

(I don't think murder victim stats would be wrong.)

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newbie (err?), your error is in understanding North America, the continent I presume you inhabit.

(I suspect Africans and Latinos understand better their continents than Canadians understand North America. How sad.)

[newbie]

August, you said Arguably, Canada is no more dangerous than the US and then went on to isolate one State in America for comparison. And then you set the parameter for white murders only. I would consider this a total manipulation of the stats.

[August1991]

August, you said Arguably, Canada is no more dangerous than the US and then went on to isolate one State in America for comparison. And then you set the parameter for white murders only. I would consider this a total manipulation of the stats.

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Newbie, if you want to call this manipulation, fine. But you are missing the point. (God, is the Left clueless... )

I merely wanted to point out that in two North American jurisdictions of similar size (Canada and California), fewer "white people" were killed in one than "all people" in another. (Think about that... )

Let me be more plain. In North America, white people get killed more or less in similar fashion whether they are in Canada or the US. In North America, Black and Hispanic people get killed more often.

This is a continent problem, not a country problem. When White Canadians smugly pretend they are superior to Americans, they are being simply foolish.

This violence is tragic; ordinary people suffer whatever the skin colour.

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What a topic!  First things first.

Well Montgomery... if we had elected an NDP government, maybe we could hold them accountable... but seeing as that is not the case, maybe we pick some other arbitrary target to blame...

NDP government, right.

Well, the police would have instructions ... blah, blah, blah... no instructions or data-collection about racial profiles.

Then, the NDP Revenue Minister would blah, blah, blah... waits for returning Canadians.

Then, the NDP Justice Minister would ... blah, blah, blah... be extradited to Texas because there is the possibility of capital punishment.

When the NDP government is ... blah, blah, blah... being "true" Leftists.

What was that about ??? Have you been to Mark Emery's web site ???

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If we want to have fewer gun crimes in Canada, we should punish people more severely for crimes involving guns.

Do you know the best way to prevent pyromaniac children from burning your house down... You can punish them, you can yell at them, you can bring them to therapy, but if you don't want a fire, the best way is to keep the matches away from them....

Arguably, Canada is no more dangerous than the US.  The last time I checked, a Caucasian (white person) in California has less chance to be murdered than a person in Canada.

Your deceptive use of statistics (excellently demonstrated by newbie) has shown you for what you... and your arguments are...

[August1991]

Arguably, Canada is no more dangerous than the US.  The last time I checked, a Caucasian (white person) in California has less chance to be murdered than a person in Canada.

Your deceptive use of statistics (excellently demonstrated by newbie) has shown you for what you... and your arguments are...

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As I noted:

California has about the same population as Canada, around 30 million. You state that in 2000, 489 Canadians were murdered.

In 2000, 421 "white" people were murdered in California. Attorney-General California

err and newbie, I'll indulge myself with the following comment.

The Clueless Left: Confusing Symbol for Reality, Money for Wealth and deciding for Society by comparing an Ideal to Life itself.

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The Clueless Left: Confusing Symbol for Reality, Money for Wealth and deciding for Society by comparing an Ideal to Life itself.

Clueless self-important chick: Confusing delusions for reality, speaking for sense, deciding she is smarter than everyone, even when she is proven wrong...

[August1991]

The Clueless Left: Confusing Symbol for Reality, Money for Wealth and deciding for Society by comparing an Ideal to Life itself.

Clueless self-important chick: Confusing delusions for reality, speaking for sense, deciding she is smarter than everyone, even when she is proven wrong...

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Pas pire...

[PocketRocket]

*SIGH* Yet another thread has turned into a "gun" thread.

And I just posted a reply in the other one including sites and stats, etc.

But, to get back to the root and title of this thread.....

Canada: Blame America, It's always Bush's/America's fault!

.....what's up, MONTGOMERY???

You have started more threads about Canada pointing fingers at the USA than anyone else I can think of.

Do you really love them so much???

Yeah, politicians do that. They point fingers. It's what they do. Even American politicians.

In Canada's case, we may do it a bit more (probably because the USA is such a big target), but there's plenty of it going on from the USA as well.

Softwood lumber; we're to blame for low prices, so we get penalized with tariffs.

Marijuana; we're to blame for SO much pot that gets smuggled in to the USA, but hey, their lax gun laws have NOTHING to do with the ease of carrying a handgun across the border into Canada.

Mad Cow; One Canadian cow tests positive, so all our beef is banned from the USA, yet when an American cow tests positive, it's "an isolated incident", and "probably from a Canadian herd". Strange, that.

And my personal favorite, from a couple years ago when we had the big blackout in eastern Canada/USA......"It's Canada's fault......thay screwed something up"....or something to that effect.

Stateside politicians screamed for weeks that Canada was responsible for the blackout.

It wasn't until it had all blown over, and both political and domestic tempers had cooled before the USA admitted that the whole blackout was caused by a Michigan utility company and exacerbated by some other technical problems in the USA's side of the grid.

So, in a nutshell, try to balance your views and postings by showing that American politicians also blame (unjustly) Canada whenever it is convenient for them to do so.

[Guest eureka]

How many "white" people were killed in Canada, August. Don't you think you might have this comparison backwards?

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So, in a nutshell, try to balance your views and postings by showing that American politicians also blame (unjustly) Canada whenever it is convenient for them to do so.

AMEN !!!

[August1991]

How many "white" people were killed in Canada, August. Don't you think you might have this comparison backwards?

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You're right, eureka. But that's kind of the point too.

The issue of violence in North America does not neatly divide along the Canada/US border. It is simply wrong to say Canada=safe and US=dangerous.

So, in a nutshell, try to balance your views and postings by showing that American politicians also blame (unjustly) Canada whenever it is convenient for them to do so.

WTF? PocketRocket, American politicians think about Canada about as often as Ontario politicians think about Labrador.

The US is a society of 300 million people. They do many things, frequently involving some of the 30 million people in Canada.

Your "us vs. them" list is artifical and meaningless in the context of the dealings between the 330 million people in northern North America.

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The issue of violence in North America does not neatly divide along the Canada/US border.  It is simply wrong to say Canada=safe and US=dangerous.

I suppose that's a relative matter.... depending on what you make your comparisons to.

Relative to the US, Canada is safe.

conversely,

Relative to Canada, the USA is Dangerous....

My justification follows:

Using the statistics provided by Newbie, we see that in California, with roughly the same population as Canada, the murder rate is approximately 4.25 times higher. (note, this is the state where you tried to show that it was safer than Canada, demonstrating your regular practice of deception). If you are to compare the USA to Canada overall, there were 26 times as many murders in the USA as in Canada, or 2.6 times as many per capita....

So, in a nutshell, try to balance your views and postings by showing that American politicians also blame (unjustly) Canada whenever it is convenient for them to do so.

WTF? PocketRocket, American politicians think about Canada about as often as Ontario politicians think about Labrador.

The real problem isn't Americans here, it's redneck Tories going overboard, trying to paint Canada as the worst place in the world to live because the people of this contry reject his redneck party, its leader, and its policies....