Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Why does Canada fail to protect it's citizens time after time against rejects like this? Tougher penalties don't always mean less crime. We need to get at the root of crime. In the meantime, it's done on a case by case basis, though psychiatrists don't always get it right. I remember reading a story about a man who had brutally raped many women. He was on probation and one of the terms was regualar visits with his shrink. After one such visit the doctor filled out his report and said "I think George is finally cured." Meanwhile, poor George had parked illegally and his car was towed away. While in the compound they noticed a strange smell coming from the trunk and lo an behold on the day that the shrink said he was cured, a warrant discovered five human heads in the trunk of his car. Doesn't really have much to do with this story but does prove a point. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 While my initial reaction to your post was...well ... nervous laughter, I re read it and am inclined to an extent to agree with you. People are fallible and and the fact that this kid duped some well meaning corrections staff into letting him go to a halfway house is well, unfortunate, especially if he decides to go on some sort of rampage.However, our corrections system is still based upon rehabilitation and reintorduction into society and not soley punishment. The problem with the Death Penalty is that it is so final... no second chances... ever. How many stories do we hear of people later found innocent having been put to death? How low of an accidental death percentage of innocents is allowable? 1%? 2%? Will we do need to stiffen up our Pimp Hands a bit in regards to the type of situation that you bring up, there has to be some limit to our anger and need for vengence. Very well put. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 I agree with those who don't believe this boy can be rehabilitated, because he has a mental illness, preventing him from feeling empathy for others. This is not a curable illness. As a sociopath, you can't suddenly start caring for others. I don't know what the right solution is, but then I don't get paid to figure that out either, thank God. I only know that he doesn't belong on the streets because he is still a menace to the public, and I also know that killing him for a crime he committed as an adolescent is not the answer either.Liz Thank you Liz. That must have been horrible for you. I can't even imagine. You should be proud that it hasn't made you vengeful, but you better than all of here know that he should not be allowed to go free. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Why is the pig farmer from BC still around? Rehab? Clifford Olson, Harvy Andres, Paul Bernardo, all upstanding citizens that can be rehabbed and brought to some sort of productive lifestyle living next door to you. There is a use for the death penalty. These guys are not the norm, and the price we pay for living in a civilized society. Once we bring the death penalty back for this handful of animals, we open the door. I want it to stay closed. They can't be rehabilitated and have to remian behind bars. Countries with a death penalty do not experience less brutality. It also makes it harder for juries who now need 'rock solid' proof to convict if the death penalty is at play. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 so your logic is flawed if you think doing away with the death sentance has helped reduce innocent death You just pled my case for not going to war. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 I wanna be a left winger for a minute and this is how they sound. Give me a break. Are you implying that all Conservatives want the death penalty and all Liberals don't want criminals punished? This isn't a partisan issue, it's a human one, and Canadians agree. Conservatives find slim support for death penalty Issue takes centre stage after Day says Canada won't seek clemency for citizens sentenced in U.S. OTTAWA–The Conservative government found that just one in five Canadians supported the death penalty as a criminal deterrent in a survey it commissioned this summer in support of its justice policies. Support for the death penalty was highest in Alberta, where almost one-third supported the idea of capital punishment, and lowest in Newfoundland with 17 per cent support. In Ontario, 21 per cent thought some convicted prisoners should be put to death, according to the poll of 4,005 people. The issue has taken centre-stage in Ottawa after Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day announced last week that Canada would no longer seek clemency for its citizens who are sentenced to death in democratic countries like the United States. Even Alberta where it had the most support, was less a 1/3. No politician will bring this up again, so the death penalty, thank heavens, is off the table. No whiney Liberals here unless you're suggesting that 4 out of every 5 Canadians are Liberal. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 All you liberal people please hand over your addresses to the corrections office so they can set up halfway houses and parolle stations in your neighborhood. You obviously feel no danger from these people. Maybe you can hold their hands while they're waiting for the bus to go to work too. Again with the Liberal nonsense. The death penalty issue went to a referendum. A recent poll conducted by the Conservatives showed that only 1 in 5 Canadians want it brought back. Has to be a few Conservatives in there because more than 1 in 5 Canadians support the Party. Conservatives find slim support for death penalty Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Argus Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 My name is Mike And i was in a halfway house with Todd Cameron Smith from january of 2008 until october 2008 so he was not allowed to just walk away from a halfway house, he was put back in and is still in right now. I understand your anger towards canada's justice system. I say we kill all the rapists and child molester's and people who have comitted disgusting crimes but... I find it hilarious how you think Todd killing a kid should be punishable by death. He had a terrible life and i will tell you that it is no better for him in the halfway house the punishment he has received is enough for what he has done. You think a couple of years is the right thing for someone who cold-bloodedly takes a gun into a school and commits murder? I think most of us disagree. And from all acounts the little douchebag is still as dangerous now as he was then, and should not be on the streets again. Todd is a nice guy and if people would learn to accept him and stop being... well im not going to say what. Then maybe he could learn to accept himself and not think himself a monster. According to his actions, and the psychological assesment of him he IS a monster. That you like monsters is your problem, not societies. Walk a mile in Toddy's shoes before you speak ill of his actions. People bullied that kid to the point of temporary insanity because they thought he was different and weird. If what happened to him happened to me i would have done the SAME THING!! :angry: What do we call this, the narcisicist belief of today's youth that they are entitled to a fun and happy life without any assholes getting in their way? Guess what, life doesn't work that way. And if you or he or anyone else thinks the appropriate response to someone "bullying" you is to start blazing away with a firearm then you're mental defectives who ought to be locked away permanently. Not to say it's right but if society creates a monster they better be ready when it decides to bite! And Toddy bit back hard. I find it funny how it is ok to most people to kill in a war, because people cant walk all over you, but Toddy was walked all over throughout his whole life and he kills one person and people are "going wild in the streets". Walked all over, eh? You know, I bet that 3/4s of the people on this planet would probably look at his life and wish theirs had been so blessed with peace, joy and comfort. You compare this guy to say, some Indian kid who is pushed into making carpets for 10 hours a day as soon as he's six years old, half starved and beaten for the rest of his "childhood" if you can call it that, picking through garbage dumps for food and scraps of construction material to patch his rickety tin shack roof - then when he's grown doing back-breaking work in a quarry for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for overseers who still beat you when you lag behind... you want to try and compare that to poor lil Todd's life? You and he don't have the faintest idea just how good you have it compared to most of the rest of this planet. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Thank you. I've actually had the opportunity to get to know Dale Lang and his wife, Diane, a little bit, and they are admirable people. They were a large part of the reason that I was able to forgive Todd, because they immediately and publicly forgave him, even as they were grieving for their son. I'm a little insulted by people that want to condemn others to death when they don't even know exactly what happened. The way I began viewing the situation after Jason's parents publicly forgave their son's killer, was that if his own parents can forgive, then surely I should be able to. Dale and Diane Lang have now opened a drop-in shelter in Taber in Jason's name. Again, thank you for your understanding. I wish others were as slow to judge.Liz You are such an inspiration. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Argus Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 You just pled my case for not going to war. Iggy seems to disagree with you. Does that mean you'll be taking his poster down from your wall? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 My name is Mike Maybe if you worried more about getting kids to stop bullying and poverty we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.... and for heaven's sake stop talking about killing as an option for punshment of killing. I'm so blown away that we're hearing from people close to the story. Incredible insight. It's very easy to allow our anger to override our humanity. When my uncle murdered my aunt (and got away with it... he was drunk... cleaning shotgun story, blah, blah, blah), for years I just wanted him dead. Then when he got cancer, guess who visited him in the hospital? Revenge is too easy and fueled by emotion. It has no place in our justice system. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Quite right, Molly. I was the 'new kid' at a country school and was repeatedly bullied. I found it incomprehensible how so many teachers and other adults blew it off as just "kids stuff". I knew that I had done nothing to deserve it. The message was clear. Teachers not only won't protect you, they didn't even consider it worth doing!Becoming an adult gives you a better perspective but to this day I cannot abide some of those who had bullied me so long ago. To use a crude expression "I wouldn't walk across the street to urinate on them if they were on fire!" It made me fiercely defensive for my own children when they began school and unable to watch other kids being bullied in the school yard. Teachers supposedly on playground supervision seemed oblivious. I finally got one of them to stop and incident only by threatening to call the police myself. My experiences were mild compared to what unfortunates like Todd Smith endured but I can understand how such experiences can shape a young mind. I was blessed with some innate intelligence that kept me from any extreme over-reaction but that was merely the luck of my draw. Others like Todd obviously weren't so lucky. Incredible stories today. I'm typing through tears. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
noahbody Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 The death penalty issue went to a referendum. Really? Citation? Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 According to his actions, and the psychological assesment of him he IS a monster. That you like monsters is your problem, not societies.What do we call this, the narcisicist belief of today's youth that they are entitled to a fun and happy life without any assholes getting in their way? Guess what, life doesn't work that way. And if you or he or anyone else thinks the appropriate response to someone "bullying" you is to start blazing away with a firearm then you're mental defectives who ought to be locked away permanently. Perhaps you're not seeing the entire picture. If you yourself haven't been bullied you may not have the perspective. I don't know your history so I can't say. However, I don't think anyone is saying that murder is an appropriate response but you have to remember that we are talking about children, not mature minds. It sounds to me like often an individual or group can bully a child until he BECOMES a monster, and then react in horror when he goes postal in fighting back! From what I remember and what is often chronicled, schoolyard bullying is rarely just a case of two 8 year olds having a quick tussle and then becoming friends. That may have been true long ago but today it is just a storybook account. Bullies usually attack those who are much smaller and totally outclassed, without any hope of successfully fighting back. Making an attempt does not at least command some respect but rather more pain and derision. Do you have any idea what goes through a child's mind when he is bullied in such a manner? Or what he starts to think when he discovers that the 'system' will not protect him or worse yet, will just tell him to "buck up!" and stand up to that lout who has 50 pounds and 18" of height on him? Keep poking an animal in a cage with a stick and eventually you will have a crazy animal. That being said, once a victim like Todd breaks I doubt if he can ever be rehabilitated enough to be allowed freedom. It doesn't matter who is responsible. The damage has been done. There can be no guarantee that at some point a Todd Smith may run into another who will bully him, perhaps a neighbour, another patron in a bar, or an ogre of a boss. What has been broken once is often for ever weak and likely to snap again. It many not be fair to keep him locked up but what else can be done to ensure he's not a danger to the community? It's just a shame we couldn't lock up some of his tormentors with him! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cavemon44 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 You think a couple of years is the right thing for someone who cold-bloodedly takes a gun into a school and commits murder? I think most of us disagree. And from all acounts the little douchebag is still as dangerous now as he was then, and should not be on the streets again.According to his actions, and the psychological assesment of him he IS a monster. That you like monsters is your problem, not societies. What do we call this, the narcisicist belief of today's youth that they are entitled to a fun and happy life without any assholes getting in their way? Guess what, life doesn't work that way. And if you or he or anyone else thinks the appropriate response to someone "bullying" you is to start blazing away with a firearm then you're mental defectives who ought to be locked away permanently. Walked all over, eh? You know, I bet that 3/4s of the people on this planet would probably look at his life and wish theirs had been so blessed with peace, joy and comfort. You compare this guy to say, some Indian kid who is pushed into making carpets for 10 hours a day as soon as he's six years old, half starved and beaten for the rest of his "childhood" if you can call it that, picking through garbage dumps for food and scraps of construction material to patch his rickety tin shack roof - then when he's grown doing back-breaking work in a quarry for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for overseers who still beat you when you lag behind... you want to try and compare that to poor lil Todd's life? You and he don't have the faintest idea just how good you have it compared to most of the rest of this planet. HAHA!! A couple of years?!?!?! He has done 10 and counting get your facts straight.Do ten years of your life and then call it a couple i hope someone spits in your face for saying that. I did 2 years and ill tell you right now it was the longest and most boring 2 years of my life long and boring. Damn straight i think thats a good enough punishment for what he has done. Apparently people still haven't learned to stop bullying him "douchebag" maybe thats why he's being let out in a year or so to teach the real douchebags (i.e. you) a lesson. Give me any quote from any person (i want the name of the person and quote) in the last year who has said toddy is still dangerous. I will know if ur lying i did live with him for almost a year so i know his current shrinks and councellors. Show me the year on this psychological assessment that says he is a monster. When was it 2000? "Peace joy and comfort." Wow i hope somebody douses you in lighter fluid like they did to him and then i want you to tell me how peaceful joyful and comfortable it was. As for that kid thats workin 10 hours a day and all that damn right he would have rather had todd's life but i gaurantee you that if you put a gun in that kids hands he would shoot the mother******s that were makin him do all the work. As for if he was to actually take todd's position he would have done the same thing todd did. Why? Because he would have been through the same experiences todd was and would have thought the same as todd. By the way we don't care how good we have it we want it better. Why? Because it can be better if everyone thought like you nothing would ever change. It's not a narcissist belief that "we are entitled to a fun and happy life without any assholes getting in our way" thats the way things should be in a perfect world. Besides the fact that we dont believe that we just believe that if they do get in our way we are entitled to run them over. This comparison that you have that we dont know how good we have it compared to a lot of the world is STUPID because we do know how good we have it compared to the rest of the world. Just because we have it better that a lot of the world doesnt mean we should just sit back and accept it the way it is. No! We should better it. Quote
Argus Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 By the way we don't care how good we have it we want it better. Why? Because it can be better if everyone thought like you nothing would ever change. It's not a narcissist belief that "we are entitled to a fun and happy life without any assholes getting in our way" thats the way things should be in a perfect world. Besides the fact that we dont believe that we just believe that if they do get in our way we are entitled to run them over. This comparison that you have that we dont know how good we have it compared to a lot of the world is STUPID because we do know how good we have it compared to the rest of the world. Just because we have it better that a lot of the world doesnt mean we should just sit back and accept it the way it is. No! We should better it. By killing people? It's obvious that YOU, at least, are still inclined towards violently anti-social behaviour. Dunno about this other nut, but the fact he served his 3 year max, and then the judge ordered he spend another 7 under supervision doesn't indicate any great confidence the little killer had rehabilitated himself. Someone dosed him with lighter fluid when he was about 8, but didn't set him on fire. I don't see that as an excuse to go on a shooting spree six years later. Lots of kids get bullied. Get over yourself. And what exactly did you do to get sent away, I wonder? Who did you hurt? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Molly Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) "It's just a shame we couldn't lock up some of his tormentors with him." Hear, hear. Edited March 25, 2009 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
cavemon44 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 By killing people? It's obvious that YOU, at least, are still inclined towards violently anti-social behaviour. Dunno about this other nut, but the fact he served his 3 year max, and then the judge ordered he spend another 7 under supervision doesn't indicate any great confidence the little killer had rehabilitated himself. Someone dosed him with lighter fluid when he was about 8, but didn't set him on fire. I don't see that as an excuse to go on a shooting spree six years later. Lots of kids get bullied. Get over yourself.And what exactly did you do to get sent away, I wonder? Who did you hurt? No not necessarily by killing people, but if everyone was getting in my way for most of my life then yea by killing people. How do you think we got to where we are today by standing there and letting everyone keep what they had? NOPE! We killed them and took what they had. I'm not saying it was right just saying it was done. I'm not saying what Toddy did was right either or what i would do in the same situation, but you better believe its what a fair majority of people do when they want something. Take it. Some people do it by killing. He was scared and backed into a corner. Damn right i am inclined to violent behavior i know how to protect myself and what is mine. I dont like people getting in my way im sorry im not a pussy. I dont hurt people for no reason though and i definetly dont hurt innocent people. But in my opinion if you dont want to get hurt don't get in people's way. When did the judge do that about six years ago?? Exactly so he has served what the judge thought appropriate for him back then. Noone has showed anything new about him from anyone that says he is still crazy and yet you all still make accuzations. You have no proof not even an ounce that todd is still the same way so you should all just shutup. I'm not saying how he is or isnt. I know how he is i just think that you and other people should get new facts b4 you start talking about something you have no clue about. As for the lighter incident that was just one time think about all the other stuff that has happened to him. Get over myself??... that doesnt even make sense to what were talking about..... I got sent away for armed robberies and an assault with a weapon. I hurt a drug dealer who tried to f*** with me. I stabbed him in the head. I have no rewmorse for it either and so a lot of people think ill do it again. I wont because i wont put myself in the situation that i would be drug dealing again. But if someone else in a different situation trys to fuck with my money i would do the same thing not because its morally right because its not but because thats just the way i feel it should be dealt with. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 Those that control the courts get a gleeful kick out of releasing demons regularly - they hold society in contempt and play some sort of game - of social harrassment..a harrassed society is easily controlled and unable to focus and think - I swear they release young men caught with guns so they can go out and kill more young men with guns...This I believe is to destablize the populace - it must be on purpose...WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE _ our judicary and those that appoint them are not stupid - they know exactly what they are doing ...I know of at least three potential killers that wander the streets - the authorities are well aware of them and seem to enjoy experimentation - ON US! Quote
noahbody Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 He was scared and backed into a corner. I'm sure he was angry and full of hate, but since he was no longer attending school he wasn't in a corner. With the killing occurring a week after Columbine, revenge was clearly the motivation. It wasn't done out of fear. I dont hurt people for no reason though and i definetly dont hurt innocent people. But Todd did. He didn't know the people he shot. How would you feel if society treated me like crap, so out of anger I killed one of your family members who I didn't know to make a statement against society? Would you be on my side? I wont because i wont put myself in the situation If you're allowed to, you should volunteer your time to a charity. It would give you exposure to the good of society. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 There is great good in society - and usually within the average population - But there are very wicked men in high positions who are not good - who make the decisions to release killers onto the poplution - I really can't imagine this happening unless it is done with intent to harrass and harm those that are considered lower socially than say a judge or legislator - we just might have people running the show who are full of hate with an uncontrolable sadistic streak. If they did not get a kick out of their judical rulings that harm - they would not do them...I say that some judges and legislators and their handlers are simply bad people..BUT we assume that all those in authority are of sound mind and spirit - This is untrue. Quote
Argus Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 "It's just a shame we couldn't lock up some of his tormentors with him."Hear, hear. Why? for being mean? Even if they acted like jerks that does not in any way, shape or form make them responsible for what this nutjob decided to do. That's on HIM. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wild Bill Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 Why? for being mean? Even if they acted like jerks that does not in any way, shape or form make them responsible for what this nutjob decided to do. That's on HIM. I disagree! If they bullied an immature mind to an excessive degree they would have been guilty of creating a monster. You seem to be constantly dodging this point. I would think that the responsibity for creating the problem is as obvious as training a dog to be excessively vicious. Frankly, if you cannot accept this point I have to wonder if perhaps you don't want to, for some reason as yet undisclosed. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Argus Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 I disagree! If they bullied an immature mind to an excessive degree they would have been guilty of creating a monster. You seem to be constantly dodging this point. I would think that the responsibity for creating the problem is as obvious as training a dog to be excessively vicious.Frankly, if you cannot accept this point I have to wonder if perhaps you don't want to, for some reason as yet undisclosed. It's called personal responsibility. If he was weak-minded, then that's on him too, or basic genetics. I'm not saying some kids might not have been jerks, but that's completely irrelevent. In our society you don't get to murder people and then try to justify it because people were mean to you. Is there a paedophile who can't honestly claim to have been mistread or molested when younger? Aren't most of the nastier rapists striking back at some kind of real or perceived mistreatement by their mother, or women in general. Should we excuse Marc Lepine for killing all those women because they wouldn't date him? Tough noogies to all of them. What happened to you - hey, we can sympathise - but that in NO WAY absolves you of complete and total blame for the actions you take which hurt others. If you think otherwise you're on the road to Somalia or Liberia or other failed states. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Oleg Bach Posted March 25, 2009 Report Posted March 25, 2009 We could all feel unjustly and cruely treated if we wanted to. The world can be a rough place. No matter how hard done by we feel, one can not go and kill the percieved abuser - If we had one day a year where vengence for every injustice was permitted - the streets would be littered with thousands of corpses. There is no reason to murder or kill unless it is a retaliation and a warding off of injury about to cause death..self defence> The best protection is to turn and walk away - and not let rage control you - anger clouds the mind...and a great injustice might occur - You might just off the wrong person - The state of Texas does it all the time. Quote
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