cavemon44

lol i know thass why i put it there they had the right to do the same with my logic. im not disputing that fact.

The point is that todd was over the edge at this point he didnt distinguish the difference between someone that beat the crap outta him, someone who teased him, and/or someone who did absolutely nothing. It was partially someone else's fault. If you think this was a clear and conscious decision made by todd your an idiot. Hell no it wasnt someone elses fault that i did armed robberies i wanted money and most of society was to pussy to stop me from gettin it the easy way. There is no selfish sense of entitlement its just selfish we want... we take who is to stop us? Noone said that we think we deserve a perfect life if we thought we deserved a perfect life then we wouldnt do stuff like that because clearly it didnt make our lives perfect and we knew it wouldnt. Your an idiot especially because in todd's case he didnt think he was entitled to even life nevermind a perfect one... he wanted to die. Damn right life doesnt work that way or we wouldnt have killed or robbed. I dont believe i have the right to kill someone for being a pain in the ass i believe i have the right to kill someone for being an exsessive pain in the ass (e.x. stealing something "big" from me). If someone robbed me for something i cherished or was worth a lot of money i believe i have the right to kill them. or killing or raping someone i loved. DEAD.

He actually spent closer to six years in secure custody. Plus he went back for i think 2 months after he escaped from the halfway house. LMAO "escaped" more like left the doors are always open...

I would just like to add to the death penalty wanters (lol nice word i know) I am in highschool and for grade 11 english we had to do a unit on crime and punishment and stuff like that. It is a proven fact that those that approve of the death penalty are already predisposed to think the defendant of a murder charge is guilty and give a verdict of guilty (if on the jury). Also those that dissaprove of the death penalty won't want to give a guilty verdict (if on the jury) because of the guilt they would feel if he was innocent and the guilt they would feel regardless just for taking a life. Also obviously not having the death penalty is working in some way because our whole country probably has close to as many murders maybe a little bit more than that of one U.S. state that has the death penalty.

Hell yes we can go kill the perceived abuser its just that some of us have bot been pushed far enough to the point where we feel killing is needed. Example: if i raped and killed your daughter or mother or sister and made you watch and you seen a gun 10 feet away after i was done and leaving (notice i am not a threat to anyone anymore i have no weapon) would you not kill me? I would and so would most people!!! :angry: Not the same situation as Toddy but i bet you he felt that his character was raped and killed. Think about it.

Columbine just made toddy realize that he could actually do something about what those kids did to him and you're right Toddy didnt know them to talk to them but the one he killed had bullied him (not physically) at one point. I know this because he told me. No he wasnt going to school with them but he lived in a small town how would it feel to go out and see these people all the time pretty backed into a corner if you ask me. I would feel like SHIT and i would hate you and want to kill you. Does that make it right? Hell no. But would i want it and do it if i had the chance? YUPPP best believe i would.

I disagree. I think the amount of time youth from todd's day could do (10 years at sentencing without including dead time so for todd that turned out to be 12ish) was a rightful punishment for them to be rehabilitated. Damn right we should get tough on bullies if there wasnt the problem of bullies we wouldnt have some of the murderers we do (i.e. todd) to get tough on.

Completely and totally agree. (I have never agreed more with someone in my whole life lol.) And just to add some personal experience: Todd is still damaged he has an obsession with violence in movies, songs, and video games. He is also still bullied profusely by the staff and other residents. If he is hit or bullied he doesn't fight back he takes his anger out by punching objects. Also he thinks he was meant to die the day that he killed the kid. I still think he should be let out, but thass juss cuz i aint scared of that typa person. If anything the average person should want think the government to find a way that he be monitored so he can't get a weapon which is pretty much impossible. I think it is wrong to keep a person locked up forever and i think it is wrong to kill as a punishment for killin as i have said before. It makes no sense point blank period. I don't feel that you can put somone to death for biting back. Just because he bit back with 20 times more than he was bit by each individual does not make a difference. Also i think that if you support the death penalty for killers you support killing as punishment. This relates to the situation because todd was killing as punishment not in the same context i know but... think about it. Im sure the bullies killed a part of him. Im not saying i dont support the death penalty because i do just not for murder charges. I think the crimes that should be punishable by death are: Rape, molesting, or disgusting torture situations. There are probably a couple more but im drawing a blank so....

I completely agree with you here.

YES it does.

No not necessarily by killing people, but if everyone was getting in my way for most of my life then yea by killing people. How do you think we got to where we are today by standing there and letting everyone keep what they had? NOPE! We killed them and took what they had. I'm not saying it was right just saying it was done. I'm not saying what Toddy did was right either or what i would do in the same situation, but you better believe its what a fair majority of people do when they want something. Take it. Some people do it by killing. He was scared and backed into a corner. Damn right i am inclined to violent behavior i know how to protect myself and what is mine. I dont like people getting in my way im sorry im not a pussy. I dont hurt people for no reason though and i definetly dont hurt innocent people. But in my opinion if you dont want to get hurt don't get in people's way. When did the judge do that about six years ago?? Exactly so he has served what the judge thought appropriate for him back then. Noone has showed anything new about him from anyone that says he is still crazy and yet you all still make accuzations. You have no proof not even an ounce that todd is still the same way so you should all just shutup. I'm not saying how he is or isnt. I know how he is i just think that you and other people should get new facts b4 you start talking about something you have no clue about. As for the lighter incident that was just one time think about all the other stuff that has happened to him. Get over myself??... that doesnt even make sense to what were talking about..... I got sent away for armed robberies and an assault with a weapon. I hurt a drug dealer who tried to f*** with me. I stabbed him in the head. I have no rewmorse for it either and so a lot of people think ill do it again. I wont because i wont put myself in the situation that i would be drug dealing again. But if someone else in a different situation trys to fuck with my money i would do the same thing not because its morally right because its not but because thats just the way i feel it should be dealt with.

HAHA!! A couple of years?!?!?! He has done 10 and counting get your facts straight.Do ten years of your life and then call it a couple i hope someone spits in your face for saying that. I did 2 years and ill tell you right now it was the longest and most boring 2 years of my life long and boring. Damn straight i think thats a good enough punishment for what he has done. Apparently people still haven't learned to stop bullying him "douchebag" maybe thats why he's being let out in a year or so to teach the real douchebags (i.e. you) a lesson. Give me any quote from any person (i want the name of the person and quote) in the last year who has said toddy is still dangerous. I will know if ur lying i did live with him for almost a year so i know his current shrinks and councellors. Show me the year on this psychological assessment that says he is a monster. When was it 2000? "Peace joy and comfort." Wow i hope somebody douses you in lighter fluid like they did to him and then i want you to tell me how peaceful joyful and comfortable it was. As for that kid thats workin 10 hours a day and all that damn right he would have rather had todd's life but i gaurantee you that if you put a gun in that kids hands he would shoot the mother******s that were makin him do all the work. As for if he was to actually take todd's position he would have done the same thing todd did. Why? Because he would have been through the same experiences todd was and would have thought the same as todd. By the way we don't care how good we have it we want it better. Why? Because it can be better if everyone thought like you nothing would ever change. It's not a narcissist belief that "we are entitled to a fun and happy life without any assholes getting in our way" thats the way things should be in a perfect world. Besides the fact that we dont believe that we just believe that if they do get in our way we are entitled to run them over. This comparison that you have that we dont know how good we have it compared to a lot of the world is STUPID because we do know how good we have it compared to the rest of the world. Just because we have it better that a lot of the world doesnt mean we should just sit back and accept it the way it is. No! We should better it.

My name is Mike And i was in a halfway house with Todd Cameron Smith from january of 2008 until october 2008 so he was not allowed to just walk away from a halfway house, he was put back in and is still in right now. I understand your anger towards canada's justice system. I say we kill all the rapists and child molester's and people who have comitted disgusting crimes but... I find it hilarious how you think Todd killing a kid should be punishable by death. He had a terrible life and i will tell you that it is no better for him in the halfway house the punishment he has received is enough for what he has done. Maybe if you worried more about getting kids to stop bullying and poverty we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.... and for heaven's sake stop talking about killing as an option for punshment of killing. Now if that isn't the oxymoron of the century... "let's kill to get people to stop killing". Haha wow you have a lot to learn. (not to say that everyone else doesn't too including myself). Todd is a nice guy and if people would learn to accept him and stop being... well im not going to say what. Then maybe he could learn to accept himself and not think himself a monster. Yes, he does see himself as a monster. I would too if i had people talking about how i should be killed all the time. Walk a mile in Toddy's shoes before you speak ill of his actions. People bullied that kid to the point of temporary insanity because they thought he was different and weird. If what happened to him happened to me i would have done the SAME THING!! :angry: Not to say it's right but if society creates a monster they better be ready when it decides to bite! And Toddy bit back hard. I find it funny how it is ok to most people to kill in a war, because people cant walk all over you, but Toddy was walked all over throughout his whole life and he kills one person and people are "going wild in the streets". I hope you see this one day Toddy and see that there are people who care. There not all assholes like we think. HAHAHA remember our late night funny *** conversations. See this and smile for me Toddy. HAHA i remember how u liked ur smiley stickers. I'm using my brain now that i've gotten out and im stayin outta trouble.