They're at it again

[Argus]

ARGUS:

Just tried a GOOGLE search on street crime occurences ratio by race.

Gotta admit, you're right on the mark there.

Pretty tough to find stats for this in Canada.

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No, they're done readily enough in the US, and most groups, ie, the NAACP support this as a way of determining problems and justifying efforts at solutions.

Here in Canada we put our heads in the sand. Problems? What problems? With a particular community? Not at aaaaaallllll! No community has any problems unique to itself! No community commits more crime than any other community. It's just not the Canadian way!

You can make a perfectly valid, rational explanation based on very obvious sociological grounds for why certain segments of the population commit much more disproportionate crime than other segments of the population, and it has nothing to do with the colour of their skin. And if you make that detrmination you can then consider options for remedying the problem (disproportionate crime) by addressing the underlying causes. That's why they keep stats in the US. We don't keep them in Canada because the politicos are terrified it will inspire racism (and why would it inspire racism, you might ask if visible minority groups weren't commiting a disproportionate amount of crime?). And so we keep no statistics - except, as I said for natives. And why do we keep statistics for natives? For exactly the reasons I cited above - to be able to recognize a problem and then address that problem.

[PocketRocket]

Banning the ownership of civilian firearms is on every policestaters wish list. It makes it a lot easier when kicking in the front door to get into those homes to do their dirty work. Show me a gun grabber and i'll show you a wanta be tyrant.

This particular tack always cracks me up. Like a tyrrany-minded government, with its virtual monopoly on sophisticated weaponry, is going to worry about a bunch of crochety duck hunters with .303's.

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Duck hunting with a .303????

Not bloody likely.

Try a 12-gauge, full choke.

[crazymf]

You know, I thought about mentioning that, but didn't, because like the people who brought the gun laws in in the first place, they don't know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle anyway. Goes in step that sometimes people who know the least say the most.

I know a couple people that can listen to someone for a few minutes, pick up some terminology, and then start debating topics they know nothing about. Is this the case?

Further to that, it's not only unlikely, but illegal to hunt migratory waterfowl using a gun that fires a single projectile.

As far as gun safety goes, although a shotgun can pretty much clear out a room at close range, like the old Ithicas that you can pump holding the trigger, they are absolutely safe if you are over 100 yards away because they're a close range firearm only, unlike a rifle or pistol.

Of course a shotgun with slugs in it is a devastating power at up to 250 yards<> in the right hands. Rhino stoppers.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Toro,

This is taken from http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2003/tst092203.htm

For more than a decade the United Nations has waged a campaign to undermine Second Amendment rights in America.  UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has called on members of the Security Council to address the “easy availability” of small arms and light weapons, by which he means all privately owned firearms. In response, the Security Council released a report calling for a comprehensive program of worldwide gun control, a report that admonishes the U.S. and praises the restrictive gun laws of Red China and France!  Meanwhile, this past June the UN held a conference with the silly title “Week of Action against Small Arms.”

While the US gun lobby would like to think that the world revolvers (sic) around them, I think the UN is more worried about the proliferation of military small arms being sold in bulk and cheaply to any third world nation with coin or resources to trade. M-16s and AK 47s are sold by the millions outside the US, at fairs and arms bazaars, to every tin-pot dictator and his dog. This is a much greater concern than anything the US does internally.

[Toro]

theloniusfleabag

That may be. And certainly, you raise interesting points about small firearms elsewhere in the world. However, as the article you link points out, there is fierce opposition to both gun control laws AND multinational organizations interfering in the internal affairs of the US. Because it is difficult for the UN to be an effective organization without the United States, policies that alienate American lawmakers makes its more challenging for the UN to be more effective in the world.

[Black Dog]

Duck hunting with a .303????

Not bloody likely.

Try a 12-gauge, full choke.

Who cares?

[B. Max]

Banning the ownership of civilian firearms is on every policestaters wish list. It makes it a lot easier when kicking in the front door to get into those homes to do their dirty work. Show me a gun grabber and i'll show you a wanta be tyrant.

This particular tack always cracks me up. Like a tyrrany-minded government, with its virtual monopoly on sophisticated weaponry, is going to worry about a bunch of crochety duck hunters with .303's.

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This country is so defenseless that five thousand well trained and outfitting men, with an easily to formulate plan could take over this country.

No matter, what really cracks me up are the references to collectors or people who just own a few guns because they like them, as arsenals. Of course this is another one of the gungrabbers scare tactics. With only a little though to see through this, anyone should be able to realize that you can only shoot one at a time.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear B. Max,

This country is so defenseless that five thousand well trained and outfitting men, with an easily to formulate plan could take over this country

Wrong. Even 5,000 'well trained' Americans would lose to 5,000 Canadians. Military exercises, in almost every field, prove the superiority of the Canadian soldier or pilot over the US. A larger invasion force probably wouldn't last 1 winter.

[Argus]

Tell it to the four mounties who got shot in Alberta.

Well, given that Jim Roszko was one of those criminal types you were talking about, I don't see how he has any bearing on the discussion of taking guns away from law-abiding citizens.

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Actually he's the perfect example. For none of his guns were legal. You can confiscate all the duck rifles and shotguns and 22s from all across Canada and the Jim Roszko's will still have their automatic rifles and the gang bangers will still have their Uzis and Glochs. You should stop worrying about chicken farmers and hunters and their rifles and start worrying about the automatic weapons and 9mm semi-automatic pistols pouring across the unpatrolled, unwatched, unprotected border.

A border which is largely unpatrolled, unwatched and unprotected because we're pouring all our money into a gun registration system for chicken farmers instead.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Argus,

You should stop worrying about chicken farmers and hunters and their rifles and start worrying about the automatic weapons and 9mm semi-automatic pistols pouring across the unpatrolled, unwatched, unprotected border.

A border which is largely unpatrolled, unwatched and unprotected because we're pouring all our money into a gun registration system for chicken farmers instead.

Well said. The gun registry in a country such as ours really isn't going to stop anything. It is the importation of American culture and values (or lack of them) that is hurting Canada most of all.

For people such as B. Max and the other US-worshippers, they should be happy with all the extra guns and killing. We are getting to be just like the US!

[B. Max]

Dear Argus,

You should stop worrying about chicken farmers and hunters and their rifles and start worrying about the automatic weapons and 9mm semi-automatic pistols pouring across the unpatrolled, unwatched, unprotected border.

A border which is largely unpatrolled, unwatched and unprotected because we're pouring all our money into a gun registration system for chicken farmers instead.

Well said. The gun registry in a country such as ours really isn't going to stop anything. It is the importation of American culture and values (or lack of them) that is hurting Canada most of all.

For people such as B. Max and the other US-worshippers, they should be happy with all the extra guns and killing. We are getting to be just like the US!

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Wrong, for people like yourself who worship at the alter of cultural marxism, should now sleep in the bed they have made. We are becoming a dysfuctional country, complete with, and with full credit given to the dysfuctional and incompatible cultures of crime liberals have imported into the country. They should now stand up and take responsibility and stop blaming america first for all their failures.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear B. Max,

They should now stand up and take responsibility and stop blaming america first for all their failures

Now, are you saying that becoming like the US is a failure? Or that Canada is a failure on it's own for willingly becoming like the US?

complete with, and with full credit given to the dysfuctional and incompatible cultures of crime liberals have imported into the country.

I should love to ask our gov't to stop importing anything from the US. We have the resources to be self-sufficient, and we trade valuable resources such as energy and water, and in return get the perverted values of television, glorifying crime and base morality (if any), and Idol worship.

[B. Max]

Dear B. Max,

They should now stand up and take responsibility and stop blaming america first for all their failures

Now, are you saying that becoming like the US is a failure? Or that Canada is a failure on it's own for willingly becoming like the US?

complete with, and with full credit given to the dysfuctional and incompatible cultures of crime liberals have imported into the country.

I should love to ask our gov't to stop importing anything from the US. We have the resources to be self-sufficient, and we trade valuable resources such as energy and water, and in return get the perverted values of television, glorifying crime and base morality (if any), and Idol worship.

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Actually we are becoming like the US in the same way the left in america hates america. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=814

The left in this country starting with trudeau and even before, have been steadily destroying what was once a good country.

and in return get the perverted values

I can't remember, did we import SSM, did we export it, or was it a joint effort.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear B. Max,

Actually we are becoming like the US in the same way the left in america hates america. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=814

The left in this country starting with trudeau and even before, have been steadily destroying what was once a good country.

Thanks, that website is hilarious. Some insulated old fart saying "If we hear the slightest criticism of our right to bayonetting babies for oil (or lying and saying our 'enemy did it), you must be with the 'terrorists".

Canada is a very 'centrist' country, and it is being destroyed by both the extreme left and right.

[PocketRocket]

I can only partially agree with the humor value of that cited website.

It is funny, but also sad.

It's more of the same "with us or agin' us" mentality.

I guess freedom of speech/thought/opinion is only valid when the opinions being expressed match those put forth by the extreme right

[B. Max]

Dear B. Max,

Actually we are becoming like the US in the same way the left in america hates america. http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=814

The left in this country starting with trudeau and even before, have been steadily destroying what was once a good country.

Thanks, that website is hilarious. Some insulated old fart saying "If we hear the slightest criticism of our right to bayonetting babies for oil (or lying and saying our 'enemy did it), you must be with the 'terrorists".

Canada is a very 'centrist' country, and it is being destroyed by both the extreme left and right.

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Nonsense.

[Argus]

Dear Argus,

You should stop worrying about chicken farmers and hunters and their rifles and start worrying about the automatic weapons and 9mm semi-automatic pistols pouring across the unpatrolled, unwatched, unprotected border.

A border which is largely unpatrolled, unwatched and unprotected because we're pouring all our money into a gun registration system for chicken farmers instead.

Well said. The gun registry in a country such as ours really isn't going to stop anything. It is the importation of American culture and values (or lack of them) that is hurting Canada most of all.

What culture and values are you referring to? The only ones I can think of given the current topic would be the romantacising of the street gang culture and mentality by rap artists, and that seems to largely be influencing only the Black community.

Which is absurd, because our Blacks don't have the same historical problems of US Blacks and are not subjected to racism to the same degree. Blacks in Canada have different origins and the problem of societal exclusion has not developed here as it has in the US. There are remedies available to address the sociotal problems which are causing Black violence. And those remedies have to go well beyond having cops play basketball with black teenagers. But until someone actually admits there is a problem with the Black community(s) those problems can hardly be addressed.

And exclusion is the inevitable result of a reputation for violence - for individuals or groups. if Blacks continue to develop a community reputation for crime and violence it will be increasingly excluded from the mainstream, which, inevitably, results in more resentment and anger, poorer economic outlooks, and more crime.

[Argus]

I should love to ask our gov't to stop importing anything from the US. We have the resources to be self-sufficient, and we trade valuable resources such as energy and water, and in return get the perverted values of television, glorifying crime and base morality (if any), and Idol worship.

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What television glorifies crime? It seems to me that American television has always been stuck in a 50s morality play, where lies are always discovered, cheating is always spotted, and the bad guy is always overcome and punished.

As for base morality, hey, thongs are here to stay. Get used to them.

[B. Max]

I can only partially agree with the humor value of that cited website.

It is funny, but also sad.

It's more of the same "with us or agin' us" mentality.

I guess freedom of speech/thought/opinion is only valid when the opinions being expressed match those put forth by the extreme right 

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Yes but the left finds the constitution extreme, and a road block to good government. When in reality it is a road block to tyrants, history revisionists or any other undesirable collection of rabble from the outer edge of the lunatic fringe.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Argus,

As for base morality, hey, thongs are here to stay. Get used to them. 

It isn't the thongs that are so bad, its the wrongful application of them. 'Bum floss' should not be worn by 60 yr. old obese German male tourists.

What culture and values are you referring to? The only ones I can think of given the current topic would be the romantacising of the street gang culture and mentality by rap artists, and that seems to largely be influencing only the Black community.

Nonsense. I see kids, teens and young adults of every culture trying to be or dress 'just like 50 Cent' or Eminem'. Gang culture is a US export, glorified there through the media, so it becomes the writing on the 'tabula rasa'.

What television glorifies crime? It seems to me that American television has always been stuck in a 50s morality play, where lies are always discovered, cheating is always spotted, and the bad guy is always overcome and punished.

Gotta stop watching TBS, man. Sex and violence sells, so it becomes a selling point to reinforce that which produces profit.

[moderateamericain]

Being an American gunowner myself, i would fight to keep my guns. In the bill of rights it clearly states that private citizens have the right to own weapons, and more to the point to form militias in time of need. If the United Nations wants to send weapon inspectors here to see the disarming of America i hope he is wearing body Armor because every single freedom loving American will be trying to blow him off his/her door step. If you ever wanna see America internally implode, take away are right to weapons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_guns i like wikipedia because it attempts to be neutral.

[Guest eureka]

Every nation on earth had the same provision as the US 2nd. Amendment in the past. Most of the advanced nations have now grown up and done away with the archaic right to commit mayhem.

[Black Dog]

Being an American gunowner myself, i would fight to keep my guns. In the bill of rights it clearly states that private citizens have the right to own weapons, and more to the point to form militias in time of need.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Accepting the Second Amendment doesn't mean you can't regulate gun ownership. Legal precedent would seem to indicate the right to bear arms etc. under the Second Amendment is only a right held by the states against the federal government.

[B. Max]

Accepting the Second Amendment doesn't mean you can't regulate gun ownership. Legal precedent would seem to indicate the right to bear arms etc. under the Second Amendment is only a right held by the states against the federal government.

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No that's not true.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/consti11.html

[Guest eureka]

It is true, BMax. The States as the representative of the people on the misguided ideals of the Framers of the Constitution were to have an armed citizenry to prevent "tyranny" of the central government.

All the Amendments apply only to citizens against the federal government: none to citizens against the States which had an entirely free hand with no protection for the rights of citizrns against the States.

The whole Constitution was based on false premises like the idea that the interests of the individual states and their citizens were identical.

Most of the Amendments have now been "naturalized" and apply against the states also.

The Right to Bear Arms is an outmoded concept that considered the whole world as a dangerous place; the natural world and the world of government.

How is the "peace, security, and happiness of the citizenry" ensured by a "Right" that leads to more than 10,000 deaths annually by firearms?