Toyota creates more problems for Conservatives

[stubblejumper]

The United States doesn't have a two-tier system.

Then what is MedicAid then ?

State run health insurance for the poor. sounds like 2 tier to me.

[Guest eureka]

The United States also does not have sufficient doctors for its needs. It is somewhat better than Canada in that respect but a long way behind many countries. It deals with the problem by not providing care for a large group of its population: providing adequate care only for those who can pay.

That means that those Canadians who can pay and who go to the US for treatment are contributing to the delays in the US and for the non-care for the many who can not afford to pay.

Think about that when you talk of relatives who go across the border for faster treatment. You may be contributing to the higher death rate of Americans.

[Renegade]

You may be contributing to the higher death rate of Americans.

yes, and if your sick or injured, don't go to the hospital in Canada either, you'd just be contributing to longer wait times for eveyone else.

[cybercoma]

The United States also does not have sufficient doctors for its needs. It is somewhat better than Canada in that respect but a long way behind many countries. It deals with the problem by not providing care for a large group of its population: providing adequate care only for those who can pay.

That means that those Canadians who can pay and who go to the US for treatment are contributing to the delays in the US and for the non-care for the many who can not afford to pay.

Think about that when you talk of relatives who go across the border for faster treatment. You may be contributing to the higher death rate of Americans.

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Hey eureka, try reading the posts you're referring to next time.

The PUBLIC CANADIAN HOSPITAL sent him to a PRIVATE AMERICAN HOSPITAL for care because we didn't have the services he needed. He would have died if they didn't send him to Macomb's cardiac center.

OHIP covered the cost, not the patient.

[err]

No one is comparing systems.  For the six billionth time, a two-tiered system doen't mean American style healthcare.  The United States doesn't have a two-tier system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.....

[cybercoma]

No one is comparing systems.  For the six billionth time, a two-tiered system doen't mean American style healthcare.  The United States doesn't have a two-tier system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ok, maybe it was closer to 3 billion, but you get my point.

[err]

No one is comparing systems.  For the six billionth time, a two-tiered system doen't mean American style healthcare.  The United States doesn't have a two-tier system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't know if you are familiar with people who quit smoking, but if you are, you might appreciate this analogy....

Saying that a two-tiered system will not hurt the public system is like saying that you're having "just one cigarette"....

[cybercoma]

No one is comparing systems.  For the six billionth time, a two-tiered system doen't mean American style healthcare.  The United States doesn't have a two-tier system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't know if you are familiar with people who quit smoking, but if you are, you might appreciate this analogy....

Saying that a two-tiered system will not hurt the public system is like saying that you're having "just one cigarette"....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm sorry, maybe I'm slow...but you'll have to explain to me how giving the public options for medical treatment (with the added benefit of public insurance and facilities to fall back on) is ANYTHING like nicotine addiction.

[mirror]

I don't know if you are familiar with people who quit smoking, but if you are, you might appreciate this analogy....

Saying that a two-tiered system will not hurt the public system is like saying that you're having "just one cigarette"....

Err

That is a great analogy.

Thanks

[stubblejumper]

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The United States doesn't have a two-tier system.

Then what is MedicAid then ?

State run health insurance for the poor. sounds like 2 tier to me.

Once again ,yes,they do or really 3 tiered.

The absolute poor and elderly get MedicAid, a state run health insurance plan.

The employed and wealthy can afford private health insurance but the one's in the middle part timer,contracts,etc. Do not have any coverage.

Australia has a large shortage of medical practioners in the public sector and some areas have no representation.Why?

30% of medical employees serve 10% of the population in the private sector. Causing massive shortages in the public.

Is this what is called choice for all or just the rich ?

[Guest eureka]

I know that, Cybercoms, but I am not referring to that one instance. I am talking of the choice to go to the US for treatment.

In that case, well and good: It is what should happen and should happen in reverse when the occasion warrants.

But that does not affect the argument. It does, though, participate in the weakness of the American system in that many Americans can not get that care because they cannot pay for it. Only in serious cases of that nature are they able to seek care. Many die because something that is serious does not appear to be so until it is too late for preventative diagnosis.

[Argus]

Australia has a large shortage of medical practioners in the public sector and some areas have no representation.Why?

Canada has a large shortage of medical practitioners in the public sector and some areas have no representation. Why?

30% of medical employees serve 10% of the population in the private sector. Causing massive shortages in the public.

Is this what is called choice for all or just the rich ?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So their problems are due to the private sector? And yet we have the same problems.

[stubblejumper]

So their problems are due to the private sector? And yet we have the same problems.

We do not have no public surgery(IE Hip replacement). In Australia you can not get certain types of procedures because there are no Dr.s in the public sector that perform them,NONE. We don't have quite this issue,yet, but 2 tier will go a long way to insuring we get there.

[Argus]

So their problems are due to the private sector? And yet we have the same problems.

We do not have no public surgery(IE Hip replacement). In Australia you can not get certain types of procedures because there are no Dr.s in the public sector that perform them,NONE. We don't have quite this issue,yet, but 2 tier will go a long way to insuring we get there.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What can't you get in Australia?

[stubblejumper]

Try searching "lack of specialists in Australian public healthcare", one can do this by going to a website called google (Click Me), go ahead click on it.

Then you will get a list of relevant articles. I can not stress enough, you need to read them. They will give you the information you need because I am not doing your research for you.

[cybercoma]

I know that, Cybercoms, but I am not referring to that one instance. I am talking of the choice to go to the US for treatment.

In that case, well and good: It is what should happen and should happen in reverse when the occasion warrants.

But that does not affect the argument. It does, though, participate in the weakness of the American system in that many Americans can not get that care because they cannot pay for it. Only in serious cases of that nature are they able to seek care. Many die because something that is serious does not appear to be so until it is too late for preventative diagnosis.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah, the American system is terrible because it doesn't have a public system for those who can't afford it. The United States should have a two-tiered system as well for just that reason. And we should stop denying Canadians the option of two-tiers as well.

[stubblejumper]

Hey cyber- What is MedicAid then ?

[mirror]

It sure sounds like Australia is a very good example why Canada needs to have one public medical system only, otherwise with two tier the private system will drain off the resources from the public system.

[stubblejumper]

It sure sounds like Australia is a very good example why Canada needs to have one public medical system only, otherwise with two tier the private system will drain off the resources from the public system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My point exactly. Round of applause.

[Argus]

Try searching "lack of specialists in Australian public healthcare", one can do this by going to a website called google (Click Me), go ahead click on it.

Then you will get a list of relevant articles. I can not stress enough, you need to read them. They will give you the information you need because I am not doing your research for you.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I can do the same search about lack of specialits in Canadian public health care and get lots of articles. So?

[Argus]

It sure sounds like Australia is a very good example why Canada needs to have one public medical system only, otherwise with two tier the private system will drain off the resources from the public system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My point exactly. Round of applause.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah, it was real hard to convince mirror that two tier is bad.

Your point would be better made if all the things you didn't say were bad about Australia's "two tier" system weren't just as bad with our "one tier" system.

[Hawk]

I find it hilarious how the left-wing can't grasp the difference between private and public, they think a private system will 'drain' funding from the public. Sorry to completely dissapoint you but that is the great thing about private anything, TAX DOLLARS DONT PAY FOR IT.

Thats right, it is NOT run by the government (yes you may stop gasping now lefties) so it isn't funded by us. Isn't that a grand idea? I thought so too

[mirror]

Right - just like our two tier school systems.

Absurd!

PM Martin has a problem with bafflegab, but I see it is catching.

[mirror]

It sure sounds like Australia is a very good example why Canada needs to have one public medical system only, otherwise with two tier the private system will drain off the resources from the public system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My point exactly. Round of applause.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah, it was real hard to convince mirror that two tier is bad.

Your point would be better made if all the things you didn't say were bad about Australia's "two tier" system weren't just as bad with our "one tier" system.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

We actually already have a two tier system in Canada by creep. All we are trying to do is roll it back before it completely destroys our public system.

[err]

Yeah, the American system is terrible because it doesn't have a public system for those who can't afford it.  The United States should have a two-tiered system as well for just that reason.  And we should stop denying Canadians the option of two-tiers as well.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The American system has two tiers, where the poor are covered by medicaid....

So if you are one of the richer folk making more that $8/hour, you can pay for your own hip replacement..... ( and stop being a parasite on the hardworking taxpayers, right cybercoma ???)