Doesn't everyone feel safer now?

[Argus]

Egypt has just been bombed, perhaps they too should pull out of Iraq to avoid further bombings. 

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Everything is so simple, so black and white, eh! And Egypt is allied with who? Speak up I can't hear you. And Egypt is holding what prisoners?

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So everyone who is allied with the US should do what? Run away and hide? Throw themselves at the feet of crazed religious wackos and beg for mercy? Stop snivelling and come up with a viable suggestion.

[cybercoma]

We're doomed to turn into another Israel, not only are we allied with the United States but we're one of the G8 nations. I'll be back later, I have to run around outside screaming with my hands flailing in the air.

[Argus]

Lancet is a scientific medical journal, but you know better, I'm sure.

I think you can take that as a given on almost any topic you care to discuss.

Lancet is a medical journal which published unchecked rubbish by people who were clearly partisan, and who insisted their findings come out just before the American election because they wanted to influence that election.

[Argus]

Argus

It is too bad you have such a low opinion of Canada, and Canadians.

Well, I certainly have a low opinion of YOU.

What is keeping you from living somewhere else?

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I find myself even more discontented with people who eat each other, burn witches at the stake, and hang young women for being seen talking with a boy.

[mirror]

[GostHacked]

The Saudis have been funding, among other things, the takeover of mosques by their wacko wahabi sect members all across the western world. An enormous number of mosques in Canada and the US are now controlled by Wahabi immams. This is helping to inspire more fundamentalist Muslim followers in the west.

Looks like you are wrong about the immams, unless this is a clever ruse to fool us all.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Art...National/Canada

[mirror]

The main thing, at least for the folks in the UK is that the police have arrested what is reported to be one of yesterday's attempted bombers. This is significant and great news if it is true, and hopefully the UK police will be able to glean a lot of information from him.

[Argus]

The Saudis have been funding, among other things, the takeover of mosques by their wacko wahabi sect members all across the western world. An enormous number of mosques in Canada and the US are now controlled by Wahabi immams. This is helping to inspire more fundamentalist Muslim followers in the west.

Looks like you are wrong about the immams, unless this is a clever ruse to fool us all.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Art...National/Canada

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"Last autumn, Hindy dropped something of a bombshell when he told CanWest New Service that Saudi Arabia usually funds the building of mosques and helps pay the salaries of most clerics in Canada through the Saudi-run World Muslim League.

"That seemed to fit with a report issued in September that said Saudi Arabia's funding of mosques and Islamic schools is making Canada's Muslims vulnerable to "extremist influences" that could threaten the country's national security.

"The study for the Canadian Foreign Policy Journal by national security expert Martin Rudner of Carleton University said Saudi money is being used to extend its brand of militant Islam to Canada and foster the spread of terrorism.

360 vision

"Many, if not most, Arab and Muslim religious and education institutions in this country are still financed largely by Islamic charitable organizations based in Saudi Arabia. Saudi funding brought with it teachers, clerics and materials that infused Diaspora mosques, schools, publications and other communal institutions with an extremist and militant Islamic purview, characteristic of the Wahhabi creed," Mr. Rudner writes.

"The wahhabi outreach goes beyond the Muslim world. In March 2002 Ain al-Yaqeen, an official Saudi magazine, wrote that the royal family wholly or partly funded some 210 Islamic centers, 1,500 mosques, 202 colleges and 2,000 schools in countries without Muslim majorities. Cambodia is one such place. After the fall of the Khmer Rouge in 1979, Cambodia's Muslims, who make up 5% of the population, turned to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to help rebuild their mosques and schools. Accompanying the aid were teachers from those countries, with the result that today 10% to 15% of Cambodian Muslims are Wahhabis. Many go to Saudi Arabia to study. "They come back and are filled with fire and want to change the way we do things," says Soi Ponyamin, a commune chief in the village of Svay Khleang.

"Saudi proselytizers are also interested in Muslims in the U.S. and other Western countries. Says Antoine Sfeir, the Lebanese-born editor of the Parisian quarterly Notebooks of the East: "Their message to Muslims in Europe and America is so extreme and intolerant: 'Do not accept their ways, and do not consider yourself as one of them. You only exist as a Muslim, respecting Muslim values alone.'" Abdulaziz Sachedina, a professor of religious studies at the University of Virginia who spent much of his career in Canada, says that most Sunni community centers in Canada receive Saudi funding. Carl Sharif El-Tobgui, a Ph.D. student at McGill University's Institute for Islamic Studies, which specializes in the worldwide spread of Islamic culture, estimates that 10% to 20% of Canada's 580,000 Muslims adhere to Wahhabism.

Saudi money spreading Whabism

Spreading Religious Extremism in America

Saudi funding of Muslims around the world

Worldnet Daily on Saudi religious funding

Spain to control funding for mosques

Saudi double dealing

[Guest eureka]

"The left wing, extremist, Democrat, dictator lovers." A rag that starts an editorial with this eloquence is a reliable critic of Lancet!

Nothing is published in Lancet that is not reviewed first. The 8000 to 194,000 is merely a statistical caveat on the methodology. The 100,000 figure is with a fair degree of certainty accurate as the authors have maintained in response to the violent opposition of the apologists for murder.

[mirror]

More Londoners Ride Bikes to Work

Londoners are climbing onto bikes and scooters in growing numbers, choosing to brave snarled traffic with little more than a helmet rather than ride Underground trains and buses after two rounds of attacks.

The Brits are going to a lot healthier soon with all this bicylce riding. Maybe they will start doing better in the Olympics from now on becuase of it.

[Argus]

"The left wing, extremist, Democrat, dictator lovers." A rag that starts an editorial with this eloquence is a reliable critic of Lancet!

I'd have my doubts, as well. However, that was not an editorial from the Herald Sun, it was something else written on a web site which also happened to be carrying a column from Harold Bolt of the Herald Sun. In any event, the substance of his argument does not depend on other political views and I have read it elsewhere. Namely, that the Lancet's authors got the rates wrong when it comes to pre-war deaths. They do not match what the UN has on hand. This is fairly easy to verify. So if they got the pre-war rates wrong - by a wide margin - then the entire substance of their claim, which is that the rates have risen by X% is in the garbage.

Nothing is published in Lancet that is not reviewed first. The 8000 to 194,000 is merely a statistical caveat on the methodology.

Yes, it shows that their methodology was so poor - even without taking into account that they got the pre-war rates wrong - that their statistics are virtually meaningless. It's like doing a poll on voting attitudes in Canada and telling us that somewhere between 8% and 82% of voters plan to vote Liberal. Whoopee.

The 100,000 figure is with a fair degree of certainty accurate as the authors have maintained in response to the violent opposition of the apologists for murder.

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Yes, zealots tend to cling to their version of truth, no matter what others say.

That does not make them true. The mere fact that the authors openly boasted that they were opposed to the war and looking for evidence of increased deaths to civilians, and that they insisted that the study be published close to the US election in hopes of influencing it discredits them and their study as biased

[Guest eureka]

Bloody Murder

This a page of links to the Lancet study.

For those who are impressed with the wide range of possibility in the nymbers, it might be noted that there is no faulty methodology in that. It is simply the use of a "Bell Curve" and normal distribution in rhat.

The probabliity of the lower figure in that method is 2.5% and the probability of the higher figure is the same. Overwhelmingly, the probability lies somewhere in the middle; i.e. around 100,000.

Also, as I posted somewhere earlier, this figure is of violent deaths. It does not answer to the death rates increase due to deteriorating conditions.

[Guest eureka]

Bloody Murder

This a page of links to the Lancet study.

For those who are impressed with the wide range of possibility in the nymbers, it might be noted that there is no faulty methodology in that. It is simply the use of a "Bell Curve" and normal distribution in rhat.

The probabliity of the lower figure in that method is 2.5% and the probability of the higher figure is the same. Overwhelmingly, the probability lies somewhere in the middle; i.e. around 100,000.

Also, as I posted somewhere earlier, this figure is of violent deaths. It does not answer to the death rates increase due to deteriorating conditions.

[Guest eureka]

It didn't work. I will give it again later.

[Guest eureka]

Bloody Murder

Again.

[Guest eureka]

Still doesn't!

[kimmy]

Still doesn't!

eureka, try going to http://www.tinyurl.com which is a service that should let you generate a smaller link to the page you're trying to send us to. That should work better.

-k

[mirror]

Shot man not connected to bombing

Jeez, I hope the police have not gunned down an innocent man. I mean some people's behaviour is different than the norm. This man apparently was wearing a heavy oversoat in warm weather which would be considered unusual. Why didn't the guy stop though when told to by the police?

[Melanie_]

My understanding is the police were undercover, not in uniform. If I were a Muslim man in London, and three men started yelling and chasing me, I might just run away too, rather than stick around for what might be vigilante justice.

[mirror]

My understanding is the police were undercover, not in uniform. If I were a Muslim man in London, and three men started yelling and chasing me, I might just run away too, rather than stick around for what might be vigilante justice.

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Melanie

Good point, I didn't think about the aspect that the police officers were not in uniform.

I am intrigued by the following article and would appreciate hearing people's feedback on it.

I am sure there are lots of people all over the world that are starting to reassess how wonderful living in our great cities is compared to the less terrorist prone smaller people centres.

One red flag for me is that the author goes on about terrorists in Canada but doesn't say anything about the US training the 9/11 terrorists at US pilot schools on US soil, just like the US previously supported bin Laden and Saddam.

City Of the Future

[mirror]

Just relax, Canada: Sorry to disappoint Julian Fantino and Anne McLellan, but our country doesn't make much of a terror target

Police here ill-prepared for suicide bombers

I actually think we are spending way too much money on security to prevent terrorism which we are not able to stop anyway so what's the point? We need to be in touch and befriend our Muslim community, and boot out the violence supporters, and as a result they will not be hostile towards Canada as a whole.

[BHS]

Just relax, Canada: Sorry to disappoint Julian Fantino and Anne McLellan, but our country doesn't make much of a terror target

Police here ill-prepared for suicide bombers

I actually think we are spending way too much money on security to prevent terrorism which we are not able to stop anyway so what's the point? We need to be in touch and befriend our Muslim community, and boot out the violence supporters, and as a result they will not be hostile towards Canada as a whole.

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How do you propose befriending the Muslim (or Moslem or whatever) community? What more do we have to offer them, that we don't already offer to all immigrant communities?

Don't you think the stated intention of booting a portion of that community out is going to make them a little leary? And when you start deporting people who claim to be innocent, do you really think that will decrease hostility in that community?

[mirror]

I have enough confidence that the vast majority, 99.9% of the Muslim community, just like all our other Canadian communities want to live in peace and would appreciate Canada kicking out non Canadians who promote violence and hatred, and locking up the Canadians that do promote violence and hatred. Zundel is a good example. Arar is not.

[BHS]

Food for thought:

I just read a post on a blog I read frequently. The guy posted about a proposed plan the Israelis were looking at a couple of years ago, of equipping buses with bags of pig lard, because the terrorists believe that if they're contaminated by pig DNA they'll be denied entrance into heaven. Apparently they haven't done it yet (no doubt because of the Jewish abhorance of all things pig as well). This blogger notes that just because the authorities don't implement such as scheme doesn't mean private citizens can't carry vacuum sealed bags of lard with "LARD" stenciled on them as a warning to would be terrorists.

I don't think I'll be doing this any time soon, myself.

[mirror]

Flashy tactics won't defeat the terrorists

Good article. There is no way the US approach is going to succeed. Thank goodness there are at least some cooler heads that prevail in Britain. What a tragedy that is though for that Brazilian young man. Quite recently apparently there may be new developments in the UK.