shoe-in Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 Since day one Barbara Yaffe has been working harder than anyone to get Harper's ass off of the opposition party's throne so that a more capable politician could step in and lead them to the promised land. Today is no different. In The Van. Sun she writes: "For the country's health, Conservatives need to gain a foothold in Quebec. If that means a change in leadership, so be it." I know the easiest way for the CPCers to gain a foothold in Quebec ... but like Barb ... my lips are sealed until someone worthy occupies Preston Manning's throne. I am a blabbermouth though, and worry that someone, on some web board or forum, could butter me up to the point where I would talk. I hope not. Quote
THELIBERAL Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 And who have they got to run in Harper's place? Peter MacKay the promise breaker and liar? This regional western redneck party has to be de-merged. Then the old P.C.'s have to revamp their party THAT IS THEIR ONLY HOPE IN HELL OF WINNING AN ELECTION! Canada with the majority of our population in central Canada is not ready for Alberta to run the whole country. You can change names,leaders and merge as many times as you want YOU AIN'T GONNA FOOL THE MAJORITY!!! Alberta wants to run the whole country. Canada's message to them SCREW YOU!!! Quote
I miss Reagan Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 Canada's message to them SCREW YOU!!! Many of us get the message. I think we just need to keep hearing it so it sinks in. A Liberal majority in the next election would re-enforce the message. Another NEP would be good too. Anyway, I think it'd be great if we could get Duceppe as leader of the CPC. I'd like to see that play out. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
shoe-in Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Posted June 14, 2005 And who have they got to run in Harper's place? Alberta wants to run the whole country. Canada's message to them SCREW YOU!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There are lots of good names being kicked around daily in my dailies. HERE'S a good one. From today's National Post: "Re: Decision Time For Stephen Harper, editorial June 13. I agree the Conservative party needs to step back and have a leadership review. And I suggest that Preston Manning be added to the list of contenders. He would be an awesome leader for Canada. John McCaffery, Lower Sackville, N.S." I'd support anybody Preston gives a nod to. Quote
willy Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 Canada with the majority of our population in central Canada is not ready for Alberta to run the whole country. Do I need to explain how our parliamentary system works the theliberal? People in Ontario vote in MPs who work on their behalf and if they vote in Conservatives they will be from Ontario. Ontario having the largest number of seats it will be when pigs fly that Alberta runs the country. The largest contingent of delegates at the CPC national convention was Ontario with over 1000 participants. What we need is a Leader for Canada and not a region or a special interest. Harper has that ability. As for Barbra Yaffe, I find much better political analysis on this forum. She lacks insight and doesn't grasp strategy. The Chief won his first majority without Quebec only to sweep in his second term with a large representation from Upper Canada. Quote
Dan Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 Alberta wants to run the whole country. Canada's message to them SCREW YOU!!! No we want to run our own affairs. FREE ALBERTA!!!! Quote
Argus Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 And who have they got to run in Harper's place? Peter MacKay the promise breaker and liar? Are you accusing MacKay of being a Liberal? This regional western redneck party has to be de-merged. Then the old P.C.'s have to revamp their party THAT IS THEIR ONLY HOPE IN HELL OF WINNING AN ELECTION! You see, people like you, who have no principals, who support a corrupt party with no principals, are completely unable to understand the concept of people supporting ideals and principals and hoping to accomplish something other than enriching themselves. Canada with the majority of our population in central Canada is not ready for Alberta to run the whole country. Ah, a traditionalist. You prefer the country be run by a corrupt group of Quebec politicians and multimillionaires as it has been for the last forty years. Alberta wants to run the whole country. Canada's message to them SCREW YOU!!! Troll. Anyone taking bets on how long it takes for THELIBERAL to be banned for trolling and disruptive behaviour? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bakunin Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 lol, the cpc just have to immitate the liberal and get a quebec chief. Its seems its the only way to gain support in ontario... Quote
shoe-in Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Posted June 14, 2005 lol, the cpc just have to immitate the liberal and get a quebec chief. Its seems its the only way to gain support in ontario... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Preston was looking & looking & Mario came too late. But this idea does not seem to have occured to Harper ... domage. Hey Boris ... picking up your latest book "The Turkish Gambit" tomorrow. Hope it's up to your usual speed! Quote
Fortunata Posted June 14, 2005 Report Posted June 14, 2005 What we need is a Leader for Canada and not a region or a special interest. Harper has that ability. Guffaw!!! Quote
shoe-in Posted June 15, 2005 Author Report Posted June 15, 2005 As for Barbra Yaffe, I find much better political analysis on this forum. She lacks insight and doesn't grasp strategy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree that Babs isn't as sly as, say, Andrew Coyne. That man can hide his true feelings well, and it takes a really sharp eye sometimes to figure out where he truly stands. His piece in today's NP is a perfect example. What may look like a tribute to Harper to the inexperienced eye, is the complete opposite to the insightful one. Note where Andrew says: "For Mr. Harper, I prescribe a daily rereading of Kipling's 'If'." The part he wants him to reread and reread, of course, is: "If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; you'll be a Man, my son!" Babs is nowhere as slick as Andrew, that's for sure. Quote
shoe-in Posted June 15, 2005 Author Report Posted June 15, 2005 For Mr. Harper, I prescribe a daily rereading of Kipling's 'If'. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> [iF] If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you But make allowance for their doubting too, If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much, If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! --Rudyard Quote
shoe-in Posted June 15, 2005 Author Report Posted June 15, 2005 What may look like a tribute to Harper to the inexperienced eye, is the complete opposite to the insightful one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Re-reading Coyne's article I came to realize that even an inexperienced eye can plainly see that it's a scathing piece, against all the Tories. He calls them backstabbing mutineers and adolescents while handing Harper a reading assignment that Rudyard wrote for adolescents. And when he said about Harper: "And he remains, for all his faults, head and shoulders above any likely rival" (hardly a favorable recommendation on anybody's resume).... I knew right then that Andrew, too, is looking for help. Preston Manning could help, why doesn't he ask him? Quote
willy Posted June 15, 2005 Report Posted June 15, 2005 "And he remains, for all his faults, head and shoulders above any likely rival" Smart, experienced, and bilingual. He knows Ottawa, he has a command of issues across the country, and he was supported in Montréal with an 85% vote. So with all the belly button looking one might miss the direct comparison with the other federal leaders. With that comparison I would take Harper everyday of the week. Polls go up and polls go down, but leaders endure. Coyne was just stating the pragmatic facts that the center right has been its own worst nightmare over the last 15 years and when the time gets tough to be successful you have to stay the course. The Conservatives have a leader. He is a good leader for many reasons and after the next election if the party doesn't pull it off, their will be time to reflect. But don't change QBs in the middle of the game when the back up is a rookie. To be successful the members and the MPs need to take responsibility to follow as the leader must stand up and lead. Quote
Guest eureka Posted June 15, 2005 Report Posted June 15, 2005 Why not just leave Harper where he is! That way, we will be spared a CPC government for the natural life of Harper. Not that any immediate successor is likely to do much better. Manning! The demagogues' demagogue! Has Canada not yet suffered enough? Quote
shoe-in Posted June 15, 2005 Author Report Posted June 15, 2005 Manning! The demagogues' demagogue! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're calling Preston Manning a demagogue? That's funny. Say what you want but if you took a poll asking: "Who would be the best man to lead the CPC party today" I bet you a bundle that over 70% would say Manning. Quote
PocketRocket Posted June 15, 2005 Report Posted June 15, 2005 Alberta wants to run the whole country. Canada's message to them SCREW YOU!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let's re-phrase that, shall we??? THELIBERAL'S message to them...........etc THELIBERAL, don't presume to speak for me, or for any other Canadian. I have had little or no beef with any of your other posts, at least not that I can recall. But in this case, you would do well to retract this statement, and clarify that this is your sentiment, and yours only. I have no beef with Alberta. They are doing well for themselves, and I wish the province, and all its denizens, nothing but prosperity and happiness. Their voices are as valid as yours, or mine, or anyone else's. If you find that simple fact hard to swallow, tough. Quote I need another coffee
Argus Posted June 15, 2005 Report Posted June 15, 2005 Manning! The demagogues' demagogue! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're calling Preston Manning a demagogue? That's funny. Eureka hates conservatives, Westerners and Capitalists, and Manning is all three. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest eureka Posted June 15, 2005 Report Posted June 15, 2005 Successful demagogues should expect 70% approval ratings from followers. Manning may be Western and Capitalist. He is not Conservative. Conservatives are not radical populists. Quote
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