More Lies By Dishonest Harper?

[Army Guy]

CFB Goosebay has been downsizing for years... DND has decided to close it because NATO members are not using it that often with many already pulled out...

As much as i'd like to blame the Liberals it was a DND's decision to save some money. It will close soon.

Bigdude:

We don't need a military...but an eviromental force...Remember that next time you take for granted every freedom you now have..and remember what it cost this nation and it's military....

[cybercoma]

Bigdude:

We don't need a military...but an eviromental force...Remember that next time you take for granted every freedom you now have..and remember what it cost this nation and it's military....

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Bigdude didn't actually suggest we don't need a military, he just thinks we should be the 51st state of the USA.

[Argus]

You just don't get it.

Human rights mean something to most Canadians, and obviously a lot more than you seem to be able to understand.

Canadians are not going to elect a PM or a party that is going to attack our human rights. Wake up and smell the roses!

You're quite right. Which is why no one will ever elect the NDP. Never has a party cared less about human rights, or been more willing to sacrifice the lives, property and freedom of others on the alter of ideological purity. Scratch an NDPer and you find someone more than comfortable with the world of Farenheit 451 and the world of Orwell.

Big Brother, whether you like it or not, because it's good for you - because they say so.

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Argus, you don't really think he's going to understand that forcing people to give up their property to pay for the ideals of another group of people is comparable to the world of Fahrenheit 451 or anything Orwellian, do you?

He thinks this is a perfectly reasonable concept to obtain peace and harmony amongst everyone.

Take more of my property by force, so someone who isn't as productive or hasn't worked nearly as hard as I have may live in comfort.

Sounds like utopia to me.

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No, I don't think he'll understand. He only wants what's best for us, after all. So he'll put in place laws that tell me wat I can do, and what I can read, and what I can write, and what I can watch, and what I can say (note today's NDP attempt to make it illegal to "verbally abuse" transexuals and crossdressers), and to govern ever other aspect of my life that only he and the other big brother types of the NDP can really judge properly.

But of course, they will defend our human rights.

[cybercoma]

No, I don't think he'll understand. He only wants what's best for us, after all. So he'll put in place laws that tell me wat I can do, and what I can read, and what I can write, and what I can watch, and what I can say (note today's NDP attempt to make it illegal to "verbally abuse" transexuals and crossdressers), and to govern ever other aspect of my life that only he and the other big brother types of the NDP can really judge properly.

But of course, they will defend our human rights.

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"O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving beast!" What are we thinking? Our human rights will be defended!

[mcqueen625]

The Liberal's have a bad record of NOT spending money on anything military, It was Liberal's who closed the Air Force at CFB Chatham, NB. It was Liberal's who cancelled an order for safe helicopters to replace the ancient Sea King's and a number of Military personnel have died because these worn out pieces of junk fell out of the sky. It was Liberal's who put our servicemen at risk by inadequate equipment in Afghanistan. It was Liberal's who bought bargain basement junk tehy choose to call submarines and one young serviceman lost his life and several other's were seriously injured. All of this while the Defence Minister dithers along with his leader, all the while attempting to defend their lack of financial committment to our military.

Didn't I jsut read or hear on the news the other day that the Navy made a huge announcement that finally one of those subs was finally put to sea from the West Coast. Oh, now I remember, they had to limp back to port because of serious mechanical problems. Had they spent the money on fulfilling a deal for helicopters that was already in place when Chretien took office, instead of cancelling the deal at a cost of hundres of $millions, had new subs manufactured here in Canada or bought modern subs from teh US, we would still have these dead military personnel visiting their wives, children and other members of their family's.

As for the Liberal's committment of keeping open CFB Goose Bay, I wouldn't take that cheque to the bank any time soon. I still remember their committment to CFB Chatham. So much for Liberal promises. They are just like the rest of the promises contained in Red Book's I, II, and III, nothing but fantasies for gullible Liberal's.

[Technocrat]

personally i would be proud to be one of the first countries to officially become demilitarized... I think it would really go to show that canada's interests lie in peaceful resolutions to problems. I would support a highly mobile peacekeeping force though as an alternative.

[Guest eureka]

Bookburning, going back to Ancient Times, has been the strategyof the Conservative part of society to quash the ideas of the Left.

[I Miss Trudeau]

So he'll put in place laws that tell me wat I can do, and what I can read, and what I can write, and what I can watch, and what I can say

Or who you can marry...

Really, which party in Canadian politics wants the most governmental control? Listen to the rhetoric coming from the Cons on SSM, and you begin to get the impression that the marketis the only thing they want to be free.

(note today's NDP attempt to make it illegal to "verbally abuse" transexuals and crossdressers)

It ought to be illegal to verbally abuse anyone. But I suppose in the Conservative mind, those sinners aren't entitled to personhood to begin with.

[cybercoma]

personally i would be proud to be one of the first countries to officially become demilitarized... I think it would really go to show that canada's interests lie in peaceful resolutions to problems.  I would support a highly mobile peacekeeping force though as an alternative.

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A highly mobile peacekeeping force would be great...how about we call it, The Canadian Military. BRILLIANT! *bangs Guinness bottles together*

Becoming demilitarized while allowing American citizens to provide and foot the bill for our defense is ridiculous. You want to talk about giving up Canadian sovereignty to the United States, why not just declare us the 51st state if they're going to provide us with something our federal government is supposed to do.

[Technocrat]

exactly WHO is the united states protecting us from?? The b00geyman?

Beware of the evil enemy, who we don't know of and have no idea if they exist... but be afraid.

[cybercoma]

exactly WHO is the united states protecting us from??  The b00geyman? 

Beware of the evil enemy, who we don't know of and have no idea if they exist... but be afraid.

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I guess you can pretty much guarantee there will never be a need for national defense. Let alone a military to help protect people in nations like Sudan whom can't protect themselves. I guess there will never come a time when someone the likes of Hitler will rise again and another world war breaks out.

All of these things, impossibilities.

[Army Guy]

technocrat:

personally i would be proud to be one of the first countries to officially become demilitarized

Other than peace keeping what else do you think having a military force does for Canada or for that matter any country...

I would support a highly mobile peacekeeping force though as an alternative.

What is peace keeping to you? because i think you alittle confused.

[Argus]

So he'll put in place laws that tell me wat I can do, and what I can read, and what I can write, and what I can watch, and what I can say

Or who you can marry...

Really, which party in Canadian politics wants the most governmental control?

The NDP, followed by the Liberals.

Listen to the rhetoric coming from the Cons on SSM, and you begin to get the impression that the marketis the only thing they want to be free.

Even the religious conservatives can't hold a candle to the Liberals and NDP in the ferocity of their demands to supress any opinion, book, or paper they dissaprove of.

(note today's NDP attempt to make it illegal to "verbally abuse" transexuals and crossdressers)

It ought to be illegal to verbally abuse anyone.

It's called freedom of speech. It's called freedom of expression. It's called freedom of opinion. You start regulating things like that and the precedent is set to ban all unflattering opinion of anyone, including government officials and ministers.

But what does that matter next to your earnest desire for political correctness in all things, and to stop people, at any cost, from saying things you don't approve of?

Thanks for pointing out just how little respect for basic human freedom there is from the political left.

[I Miss Trudeau]

The NDP, followed by the Liberals.

Both of whom are dedicated to removing a restriction placed on members of our society. A restriction that the CPC is fighting vehemently to maintain. Can you supply even one example of the NDP trying to control your life?

Even the religious conservatives can't hold a candle to the Liberals and NDP in the ferocity of their demands to supress any opinion, book, or paper they dissaprove of.

Can you supply anything to substantiate this claim?

It's called freedom of speech. It's called freedom of expression. It's called freedom of opinion. You start regulating things like that and the precedent is set to ban all unflattering opinion of anyone, including government officials and ministers.

So I suppose preventing you from physically abusing another person violates your rights too, right?

But what does that matter next to your earnest desire for political correctness in all things, and to stop people, at any cost, from saying things you don't approve of?

When contrasted with your earnest desire to be permitted to vehemently abuse other people, my alleged desire seems downright benevolent.

Thanks for pointing out just how little respect for basic human freedom there is from the political left.

And thanks for pointing out just how absurd your views really are.

[PatM]

It's called freedom of speech. It's called freedom of expression. It's called freedom of opinion. You start regulating things like that and the precedent is set to ban all unflattering opinion of anyone, including government officials and ministers.

But what does that matter next to your earnest desire for political correctness in all things, and to stop people, at any cost, from saying things you don't approve of?

Thanks for pointing out just how little respect for basic human freedom there is from the political left.

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Lol, and the "liberal" media are backing them up - they should all be shot right? After all, they aren't good christians.

All anyone has to do to debunk this crap about the conservatives being "for freedom" is to look south at the Reform party's bretheren, the Republicans. Look how "Free" the reactionary christians (a minority but they have lound hissy fits) have made America.

[Argus]

It's called freedom of speech. It's called freedom of expression. It's called freedom of opinion. You start regulating things like that and the precedent is set to ban all unflattering opinion of anyone, including government officials and ministers.

But what does that matter next to your earnest desire for political correctness in all things, and to stop people, at any cost, from saying things you don't approve of?

Thanks for pointing out just how little respect for basic human freedom there is from the political left.

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Lol, and the "liberal" media are backing them up - they should all be shot right? After all, they aren't good christians.

All anyone has to do to debunk this crap about the conservatives being "for freedom" is to look south at the Reform party's bretheren, the Republicans. Look how "Free" the reactionary christians (a minority but they have lound hissy fits) have made America.

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Okay.

Hmmm. Complete freedom of speech, religion, association, movement, expression, a lively and argumentative media and press and political opposition.

Scary.

[Argus]

The NDP, followed by the Liberals.

Both of whom are dedicated to removing a restriction placed on members of our society. A restriction that the CPC is fighting vehemently to maintain.

The Liberals have ZERO interest in gay marriage except for its political value. The NDP support it, of course. The NDP have always been champions of those they consider to be opressed minorities, even while gleefully planning and plotting to oppress the majority at every possible turn.

Can you supply even one example of the NDP trying to control your life?

The NDP wants to take more of my money away to use on their pet projects. The NDP wants to enact laws which make it harder for me to get a job, or to get promoted if I do get a job. The NDP want to enact laws which can put me in prison if I say or write things they disaprove of.

It's called freedom of speech. It's called freedom of expression. It's called freedom of opinion. You start regulating things like that and the precedent is set to ban all unflattering opinion of anyone, including government officials and ministers.

So I suppose preventing you from physically abusing another person violates your rights too, right?

As Holmes said, "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins". A most reasonable explanation of how society should balance competing rights. But one cannot compare a person's freedom to speak his mind with the freedom of someone else not to feel insulted. Not unless one is a blithering imbecile, at any rate.

But what does that matter next to your earnest desire for political correctness in all things, and to stop people, at any cost, from saying things you don't approve of?

When contrasted with your earnest desire to be permitted to vehemently abuse other people, my alleged desire seems downright benevolent.

No, it seems ignorant and oppressive, and the precuser to the elimination of any speech or writings which people might not, for whatever reason, approve of.

Thanks for pointing out just how little respect for basic human freedom there is from the political left.

And thanks for pointing out just how absurd your views really are.

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Yes, it's truly sad that some of those on the Left believe freedom of speech is absurd.