Fundamental Question #3

[The Terrible Sweal]

Have your say.

[I Miss Trudeau]

Perhaps you could clarify..

Do you mean the culture war within, for example, Canada?

Or do you mean culture war, as in the western world against the rest of the world?

[moderateamericain]

clarification please, in order to answer more accuratley

i think the culture class is really a clash of moderation vs extreme facism vs extreme liberalism. and i dearly hope that people come to there sense and realize a middle ground is better than either extreme.

[The Terrible Sweal]

Perhaps you could clarify..

Do you mean the culture war within, for example, Canada?

Or do you mean culture war, as in the western world against the rest of the world?

An internecine struggle among the entire human race.

[The Terrible Sweal]

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[Tawasakm]

I agreed. The difficulty, I feel, lies in distinguishing between the two.

[The Terrible Sweal]

i think the culture class is really a clash of moderation vs extreme facism vs extreme liberalism.

how do you define the terms extreme and moderate?

what makes moderation preferable to extremism?

what do you mean by "extreme liberalism"?

[moderateamericain]

I agreed. The difficulty, I feel, lies in distinguishing between the two.

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as i see it being state side

moderate=makes a decision off of personal values, in the best intrest of you and your family. does weigh both sides of an argument (ex. abortion)

extreme conservative=follows republican party to a tee without question, does not take the time to look @ other arguments or possibilities. Pushes opinion as the ONLY real answer. fanatics (ex religious nuts, anne coultier)

extreme liberals-follow democratic party to a tee, hates or makes only emotional responses to anything, gives opinion on everything, looks down on everyone, is mediocre at everything they do, is a leach on people. (ex. Michael Moore) does not believe in value for value.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Terrible Sweal,

An internecine struggle among the entire human race.

It will ever be so, until the individuals of the human race begins to value it's and all existence as greater than individual rights. And acknowledges it willingly.

Dear moderateamericain,

I vaguely agree with you, but your definitions are a bit off.

As defined by my Standard College Dictionary, (Funk & Wagnall's Canadian Edition, 1963),

Liberal: 1.Characterized by or inclining towards opinions or policies favouring progress or reform, as in politics or religion.

2. Not intolerant or prejudiced; broad-minded.

Moderate: one who is not extreme, either in politics or religion.

(recently, as former CIA Col. John Stockwell once said, "It has to do with whether or not you serve US interests. If you do, then you're a moderate". This applied to people who otherwise were viewed by many as 'dictators and thugs', such as Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, and Charles Taylor in Liberia.)

I basically agree with the 'extreme' bits though.

[moderateamericain]

Dear Terrible Sweal,

An internecine struggle among the entire human race.

It will ever be so, until the individuals of the human race begins to value it's and all existence as greater than individual rights. And acknowledges it willingly.

Dear moderateamericain,

I vaguely agree with you, but your definitions are a bit off.

As defined by my Standard College Dictionary, (Funk & Wagnall's Canadian Edition, 1963),

Liberal: 1.Characterized by or inclining towards opinions or policies favouring progress or reform, as in politics or religion.

2. Not intolerant or prejudiced; broad-minded.

Moderate: one who is not extreme, either in politics or religion.

(recently, as former CIA Col. John Stockwell once said, "It has to do with whether or not you serve US interests. If you do, then you're a moderate". This applied to people who otherwise were viewed by many as 'dictators and thugs', such as Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, and Charles Taylor in Liberia.)

I basically agree with the 'extreme' bits though.

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wait so to be moderate is to serve US intrest? i disagree with that, what if i was a moderate canadian, how would i be serving US intrest? maybe im having trouble with what your saying.

[I Miss Trudeau]

wait so to be moderate is to serve US intrest?  i disagree with that, what if i was a moderate canadian, how would i be serving US intrest?  maybe im having trouble with what your saying.

No, you're just being intentionally obtuse.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear moderateamericain,

wait so to be moderate is to serve US intrest? i disagree with that, what if i was a moderate canadian, how would i be serving US intrest? maybe im having trouble with what your saying.

Being a 'moderate Canadian' would mean that you were not an 'extremist Canadian', by putting Canada's interests first. Let's take Saddam Hussein as an example of a 'moderate' in the Stockwell example of serving US intersts. Saddam was seen by some as a dictator, thug, and Ba'athist extremist. However, he served US interests by fighting Iran, (while the USA got richer by selling arms to both sides) and by providing oil to the US (some 50+% of Iraq's production was sold to the US in the month before the invasion of Iraq so the US could 'top up' it's strategic reserve). The USA was actually on very good terms with Saddam right up until the invasion of Kuwait in 199o.

Noriega is another example, with him being cast in the light of 'brutal dictator', while being on the US Army payroll for 31 years, and the CIA's for 15 years prior to the illegal invasion of Panama.

[moderateamericain]

Dear moderateamericain,

wait so to be moderate is to serve US intrest? i disagree with that, what if i was a moderate canadian, how would i be serving US intrest? maybe im having trouble with what your saying.

Being a 'moderate Canadian' would mean that you were not an 'extremist Canadian', by putting Canada's interests first. Let's take Saddam Hussein as an example of a 'moderate' in the Stockwell example of serving US intersts. Saddam was seen by some as a dictator, thug, and Ba'athist extremist. However, he served US interests by fighting Iran, (while the USA got richer by selling arms to both sides) and by providing oil to the US (some 50+% of Iraq's production was sold to the US in the month before the invasion of Iraq so the US could 'top up' it's strategic reserve). The USA was actually on very good terms with Saddam right up until the invasion of Kuwait in 199o.

Noriega is another example, with him being cast in the light of 'brutal dictator', while being on the US Army payroll for 31 years, and the CIA's for 15 years prior to the illegal invasion of Panama.

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let my make sure of what your saying; by supporting a moderate stance i am supporting the war in Iraq, im supporting Noriega? RSVP