American Conservatives are extremely nuts.

[Argus]

Most of our media is owned by the Aspers, who are dedicated Liberals.

Yes sure. BS Have you ever read their papers.

Particularly the National Post.

Jewish interests that follow Bush and his preferential treatment of Israel.

Yes, I have read their papers. They are pretty much unanimous in denouncing all social conservatism and trumpeting the joys of all left wing social causes. How, in your mind, does that make them conservative?

And what does any of that have to do with Jews?

[Trial-and-Error]

Conservatives have compassion and concern for the environment, too. The difference is we also have a concern for what is economically sound - or at least possible. The Left rarely pays much attention to such things.

Argus, the more I read your posts (all right, already, so I'm a masochist) the more I understand your incapability to reason. Environment, dear lad, is ultimately all that we have. Money and widgets are for nought in the presence of unclean air, contaminated water, global warming, world starvation and unabated war (a HUGE generator of contaminants).

As form follows function, economics follows environment--not the other way around. So you consider yourself compassionate and concerned about the environment. Kindly explain what the hell that means. What are you willing to give up to ensure that your part of the world is practicing conservation of energy and resources. Or do you really believe you can have it all? Remember that 20 percent of the world's population consumes 80 percent of the world's resources? And that 20 percent is presently concentrated in the "have" countries.

We're on a collision course with countires like China and India who are demanding more and more of what we are accustomed to taking for ourselves. Hell, empirialistic U.S. invades countries and slaughters their occupants to get at that which is not rightfully theirs (euphemistically called democratization). This behaviour cannot be allowed to continue.

Unless we invest in new technology to cut down on pollution and find new energy sources, we are heading for disaster. No longer can we live just for today and just for ourselves. No longer can we bully our way into grabbing more than our fair share. We must invest in the future. The neocons prepare for nothing and certainly can't be counted on to be stewards of the earth's resources. Their abject greed and unconcern for their fellow man should preclude them from holding any office in any country.

Unfortunately, the Democrats stateside and our own Liberals are not the answer either. Leadership is only as good as what the people demand. Repeatedly we prove that we are not at all demanding so consumed are we with acquiring the artificialities of life. And I can say with confidence that the more people we have of your ilk, the less likely we will get the leadership we need to get out of the quagmire we find ourselves in. Get your head out of the sand and stop your incessant neocon mouthings. Without awareness we cannot proceed to action. Won't you please climb on board. You among others are dragging us down.

[Black Dog]

Anything you use gets "degraded". How can five or six billion people not degrade the atmosphere, water and earth? That doesn't mean it's about to be destroyed. Note that degrade and destroyed are entirely different terms.

When something's quality is degraded over time, what is the end result of that process? But I guess its better to wait until the situation is dire before acting. The god of growth demands absolute fealty, after all.

[The Terrible Sweal]

You just have to laugh at nutjobs like O'Reilly and Marsden.  They are so incredibly out in la-la land that any rational person could not really take them seriously.

Unfortunately, the majority of people utilize a 'bounded rationality' 'satisficing' approach to making choices. If people could be counted on to be rational about politics and public policy, the likes of O'Reilly and the Faux News Cabal would never get any kind of viewership.

[The Terrible Sweal]

Only here, it is the left which has washed away any discourse with accusations and attacks on the morality and patriotism of anyone who dares to question their left wing political views.

Well, it is the right wing people who love to attack anyone with any compassion or concern for the environment as "lefties" or even "communists"

Conservatives have compassion and concern for the environment, too. The difference is we also have a concern for what is economically sound - or at least possible. The Left rarely pays much attention to such things.

No. The portion of the 'left' that made up of reasonable environmentalist thinkers (REL) says that the society's approach to this balance is the wrong approach. The REL says that in that balance it is necessary and appropriate to put more weight on the side of conservation.

The portion of the right that is unreasonably economically self-interested then often fallaciously attempts to revert the argument back to whether-there-should-be-a-balance, rather than face the Left on the question of what-the-balance-should-be.

The unreasonable portion of the left, by contrast argues that there is no balance necesary and that all weight must go to the environment.

And so, the public discourse chases it's own tail.

[Bob 101]

You all have to remember that these people are reporters. All reporters are full of B.S. I don't believe half of what anyone says nowadays. All rerporters twist what all these other people said. The reporters are so full of crap and need something better to do with their life.

[The Terrible Sweal]

True. It is practically impossible to get a straight story out of most of the media most of the time.

[I Miss Trudeau]

Fair enough. But there is a rather large difference between spin and outright fabrication.

[Fortunata]

If the public didn't buy into it and even encourage it (look at FOX) it wouldn't happen. Reporters, like all others, must be forced to be honest and objective.

We buy it, we own it.