Fisting God

[theloniusfleabag]

I was taught as a child, that the 3 major 'attributes' of God was that HE was omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Now, if omnipresent, does thrusting my fist in the air at a hockey game mean that it goes up his ass? How about if I believe/desire it to? Am I 'fisting God' if I believe I am?

[lowly_caterpillar]

BAHAHA! What exactly is this 'discussion' supposed to entail? wether or not he is omni...? I think that if your ticked off at "god" the equivalent of fisting him would be to just stop believing or to post something sacrilegious on a debate forum...oh wait

[Tawasakm]

does thrusting my fist in the air at a hockey game mean that it goes up his ass?

Just in case make sure you are wearing a glove.

Personally, since I do not believe the existence of God is logically supported, I believe you will be fisting the air - but if believing that you are fisting God brings you spiritual satisfaction then go for it. You can found the Seventh Day Fisters.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Tawasakm

Personally, since I do not believe the existence of God is logically supported

As I understand it, the logical argument for the existence of God is the theory of causal causation, with a great big "except for" thrown in.

[Guest eureka]

There are four arguments that would be made, usually, for the existence of God. The ontological (First Cause); the Moralargument; the Values argument; and the Argument from Design or intelligent design.

All have been logically controverted and pretty successfully. However, they gain credibility, in my opinion, particularly the First Cause when God as a beneficent deity is taken away.

If we consider that God created something but does not interest Himself in its affairs, then I think the existence of God is not so easy to deny.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear eureka,

If we consider that God created something but does not interest Himself in its affairs, then I think the existence of God is not so easy to deny

I think it is just as easy to deny as to believe. Perhaps not as socially acceptable, atheism, that is, but it relies on the same premise, belief in an absolute answer.

If we consider that God created something but does not interest Himself in its affairs,

If we consider this, then the words 'God' and Universe' (or existence) become interchangable.

[Greg]

Am I 'fisting God' if I believe I am?

Is this supposed to be intelligent debate?

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear all,

My sincere apologies if the title of this thread gave offence.

My point, however, was directed at those who believe God takes an active hand (or fist) in the affairs of Men.

Often pro athletes, as well as others, "Thank God" for helping them score that winning touchdown, or 'saving' average shmoes from some unforseen calamity, or giving someone the courage to fly a 747 into an office tower.

Is God that accessible? Does He care who wins a football game? Or is He a product of our collective and brainwashed imaginations?

Dear Greg, your point is taken and I wouldn't be terribly upset if you saw fit to rename this thread or remove it entirely.