Why all the worldwide turmoil? (9/11 thread)

[Wilber]

Just now, hot enough said:

No, you and Omni will have to provide YOUR source for YOUR contention. You guys never provide any sources. I just want to see if you two understand what source/evidence/proof mean. 

The nanothermite alone, sinks the US government conspiracy theory. Why do you persist in your denial of reality? It illustrates delusion on an grand scale. 

Source

Now where is yours.

[Hydraboss]

On 6/8/2017 at 1:29 PM, hot enough said:

Why is there always nothing from all the anti-truthers, the supporters of the absolutely wacky US government conspiracy theory?

Because pretty much every one of us was in on it.  That would lead to self-incrimination.  And would be stupid.

On 6/8/2017 at 1:29 PM, hot enough said:

Why can't anyone provide any actual science, evidence disputing the myriad things that, all on their own, sink the US government conspiracy theory?

We could, but that wouldn't be in our best interest.  Secrecy and all.

On 6/8/2017 at 1:29 PM, hot enough said:

Why can't anyone provide any actual science or evidence that supports the US government conspiracy theory? Because there simply isn't any. 

Of course we can't provide that.  There are some, like you, that know the truth but we're sure as hell not going to let you prove it.

On 6/8/2017 at 1:29 PM, hot enough said:

Go ahead, please, offer some evidence or science that supports the US government conspiracy theory. 

Again, why would we?  If I receive direct orders from the government-backed leader of our black ops group (hint:  his screen name rhymes with Romney) then I'll release it.  Until then, our SOP is to simply let the people who know the truth languish in "conspiracy land" where no one believes them.  That's the beauty of our whole mission - we get away with things and the general public refuses to believe it.  What a perfect scheme (congratulations to our main planner, PogonDorch).

[Omni]

27 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Source

Now where is yours.

Hopefully that issue has been laid to rest. I recall listening to an interview some years ago which was essentially a review of things 9-11, where a building engineer/architect guy stated that even to this day we couldn't construct a building such as a WTC tower that could withstand a 7#7 at full cruise. So stay out of tall buildings, especially during Ramadan

[hot enough]

44 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Source

Now where is yours.

Thanks, Wilber, but that has never been at issue. You need to provide your source for the Omni contention that the twin towers was designed for the 250 knots speed. 

[hot enough]

16 minutes ago, Hydraboss said:

er, PogonDorch).

Do you, Omni, and you Wilber support this kind of childish behavior?

[Hydraboss]

What childish behavior?  You wanted answers, I gave them to you.  Are you happy now?

[hot enough]

8 minutes ago, Hydraboss said:

What childish behavior?  

And he doesn't even know, Omni, Wilber. 

[Wilber]

11 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Thanks, Wilber, but that has never been at issue. You need to provide your source for the Omni contention that the twin towers was designed for the 250 knots speed. 

Why on earth would they design it to take a hit from an aircraft at any more than 250 its? In fact, given the Trade Centre's proximity to Kennedy, La Guardia and Newark airports, the speed limit is probably 200 kts in that area. So tell us, what is your source that says it was designed for 600 kts?

[hot enough]

11 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Why on earth would they design it to take a hit from an aircraft at any more than 250 its? In fact, given the Trade Centre's proximity to Kennedy, La Guardia and Newark airports, the speed limit is probably 200 kts in that area. So tell us, what is your source that says it was designed for 600 kts?

Both you and Omni say the twin towers were designed to withstand a 250 knot hit. Where is your source that states that to be the case?

[Wilber]

So, we have to provide reasons based on knowledge and regulations that you choose to ignore and you just get to pull numbers out of your ass. Got it.

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, Wilber said:

So, we have to provide reasons based on knowledge and regulations that you choose to ignore and you just get to pull numbers out of your ass. Got it.

You don't have to provide any reasons whatsoever. Just a source that supports Omni's and your idea that the twin towers were designed only for a 707 traveling at maximum 250 knots. Omni advanced the idea, so it's up to you guys to substantiate that.

Edited June 10, 2017 by hot enough

[Wilber]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You don't have to provide any reasons whatsoever. Just a source that supports Omni's and your idea that the twin towers were designed only for a 707 traveling at maximum 250 knots. Omni advanced the idea, so it's up to you guys to substantiate that.

No we don't, you have made a statement that is based on nothing. Like your nano nonsense.

[Hydraboss]

Wilbur, you can stop.  He knows.

The thermite factory was located in a little known area of Iraq located here - the location is known as Dafuq.

[hot enough]

15 minutes ago, Wilber said:

No we don't, you have made a statement that is based on nothing. Like your nano nonsense.

Here's a US government scientist describing the nanothermite that they developed in the 1990s.

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Nanoscale Chemistry Yields Better Explosives

"Greater energy densities versus greater power—that's been the traditional trade-off," says Simpson. "With our new process, however, we're mixing at molecular scales, using grains the size of tens to hundreds of molecules. That can give us the best of both worlds-higher energy densities and high power as well."

https://str.llnl.gov/str/RSimpson.html

 

[Omni]

So let me get some popcorn and then tell us how they got all this explosive into the WTC towers, and how they were able to keep all the people quiet about this diabolical government action. 

[hot enough]

57 minutes ago, Omni said:

So let me get some popcorn and then tell us how they got all this explosive into the WTC towers, and how they were able to keep all the people quiet about this diabolical government action. 

Why is it that folks always go to this childish meme when they are faced with unequivocal proof the US conspiracy theory is bogus?

Where is your source to substantiate your contention that the twin towers were only designed for the impact of a slow moving 707?

[hot enough]

Here are two excellent videos that illustrate the twin towers were controlled demolitions. NIST denies Sir Issac Newton's Laws of Motion.  

MUST SEE! How Newton's laws solve 9/11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiwpj7aa9c8

WTC: First Self Pulverizing Building in History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFdGcVoRQHI

Notice how the official story cartoons always never shows the composite concrete floors - ie. the concrete was integral with the steel trusses, by means of shear studs and knuckles that poked up from the trusses into the poured concrete.

You can see them at 3:47 of the second video.

Edited June 13, 2017 by hot enough

[Omni]

On 6/10/2017 at 1:41 PM, hot enough said:

Why is it that folks always go to this childish meme when they are faced with unequivocal proof the US conspiracy theory is bogus?

Where is your source to substantiate your contention that the twin towers were only designed for the impact of a slow moving 707?

People ask that question because it is a very valid one, and because conspiracy theorists can never answer it. And you certainly have no unequivocal proof.

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, Omni said:

People ask that question because it is a very valid one, and because conspiracy theorists can never answer it. And you certainly have no unequivocal proof.

There is no reason to attempt an answer. The police would never speculate on such things but when the proof is overwhelming, unequivocal, we know it is that because people like you who know nothing of the science, the facts, how 911 unfolded won't discuss these things. It's the same for the liars at NIST. They, like you deny reality. 

The two videos above illustrate that the US government conspiracy theory is bogus from beginning to end. And you won't even watch them, let alone discuss them.

Science does not support the US government conspiracy theory, nor does it support anti-truthers like you who can't even discuss it in an adult like fashion

Where is your proof regarding your uninformed opinion of the twin towers? You

[Omni]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

There is no reason to attempt an answer. The police would never speculate on such things but when the proof is overwhelming, unequivocal, we know it is that because people like you who know nothing of the science, the facts, how 911 unfolded won't discuss these things. It's the same for the liars at NIST. They, like you deny reality. 

The two videos above illustrate that the US government conspiracy theory is bogus from beginning to end. And you won't even watch them, let alone discuss them.

Science does not support the US government conspiracy theory, nor does it support anti-truthers like you who can't even discuss it in an adult like fashion

Where is your proof regarding your uninformed opinion of the twin towers? You

Once again, complete deflection. You just assume this huge number of peopel came on board with this crazy criminal idea and none of the would ever have blown the whistle over all these years. Fantasyland.

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Omni said:

Once again, complete deflection. You just assume this huge number of peopel came on board with this crazy criminal idea and none of the would ever have blown the whistle over all these years. Fantasyland.

Operation Northwoods never became public for many years. The Gulf of Tonkin lie was covered for decades. Operation Gladio, the same. Most idiots still think the Spanish blew up the Maine in 1898.

You raise a completely bogus argument and you ignore the myriad science issues that on their own sink the US government conspiracy theory. You are a conspiracy theorist, Omni, supporting a wacko one. 

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The British government admits that – between 1946 and 1948 – it bombed 5 ships carrying Jews attempting to flee the Holocaust to seek safety in Palestine, set up a fake group called “Defenders of Arab Palestine”, and then had the psuedo-group falsely claim responsibility for the bombings (and see this, this and this).

(8) Israel admits that in 1954, an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this).

The U.S. Army does not believe this is an isolated incident. For example, the U.S. Army’s School of Advanced Military Studies said of Mossad (Israel’s intelligence service):

“Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.”

(9) The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.

(10) The Turkish Prime Minister admitted that the Turkish government carried out the 1955 bombing on a Turkish consulate in Greece – also damaging the nearby birthplace of the founder of modern Turkey – and blamed it on Greece, for the purpose of inciting and justifying anti-Greek violence.

(11) The British Prime Minister admitted to his defense secretary that he and American president Dwight Eisenhower approved a plan in 1957 to carry out attacks in Syria and blame it on the Syrian government as a way to effect regime change.

(12) The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s through the 1980s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism.

As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” … so that “a state of emergency could be declared, so people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security” (and see this) (Italy and other European countries subject to the terror campaign had joined NATO before the bombings occurred). And watch this BBC special. They also allegedly carried out terror attacks in France, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the UK, and other countries.

The CIA also stressed to the head of the Italian program that Italy needed to use the program to control internal uprisings.

False flag attacks carried out pursuant to this program include – by way of example only:

• The murder of the Turkish Prime Minister (1960)

• Bombings in Portugal (1966)

• The Piazza Fontana massacre in Italy (1969)

• Terror attacks in Turkey (1971)

• The Peteano bombing in Italy (1972)

• Shootings in Brescia, Italy and a bombing on an Italian train (1974)

• Shootings in Istanbul, Turkey (1977)

• The Atocha massacre in Madrid, Spain (1977)

• The abduction and murder of the Italian Prime Minister (1978) (and see this)

• The bombing of the Bologna railway station in Italy (1980)

• Shooting and killing 28 shoppers in Brabant county, Belgium (1985)

(13) In 1960, American Senator George Smathers suggested that the U.S. launch “a false attack made on Guantanamo Bay which would give us the excuse of actually fomenting a fight which would then give us the excuse to go in and [overthrow Castro]”.

(14) Official State Department documents show that, in 1961, the head of the Joint Chiefs and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country. The plans were not carried out, but they were all discussed as serious proposals.

(15) As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in 1962, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.

(16) In 1963, the U.S. Department of Defense wrote a paper promoting attacks on nations within the Organization of American States – such as Trinidad-Tobago or Jamaica – and then falsely blaming them on Cuba.

(17) The U.S. Department of Defense also suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: “The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro’s subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on Guantanamo.”

(18) A U.S. Congressional committee admitted that – as part of its “Cointelpro” campaign – the FBI had used many provocateurs in the 1950s through 1970s to carry out violent acts and falsely blame them on political activists.

(19) A top Turkish general admitted that Turkish forces burned down a mosque on Cyprus in the 1970s and blamed it on their enemy. He explained: “In Special War, certain acts of sabotage are staged and blamed on the enemy to increase public resistance. We did this on Cyprus; we even burnt down a mosque.” In response to the surprised correspondent’s incredulous look the general said, “I am giving an example”.

(20) A declassified 1973 CIA document reveals a program to train foreign police and troops on how to make booby traps, pretending that they were training them on how to investigate terrorist acts:

The Agency maintains liaison in varying degrees with foreign police/security organizations through its field stations ….

[CIA provides training sessions as follows:]

a. Providing trainees with basic knowledge in the uses of commercial and military demolitions and incendiaries as they may be applied in terrorism and industrial sabotage operations.

b. Introducing the trainees to commercially available materials and home laboratory techniques, likely to he used in the manufacture of explosives and incendiaries by terrorists or saboteurs.

c. Familiarizing the trainees with the concept of target analysis and operational planning that a saboteur or terrorist must employ.

d. Introducing the trainees to booby trapping devices and techniques giving practical experience with both manufactured and improvised devices through actual fabrication.

***

The program provides the trainees with ample opportunity to develop basic familiarity and use proficiently through handling, preparing and applying the various explosive charges, incendiary agents, terrorist devices and sabotage techniques.

(21) The German government admitted (and see this) that, in 1978, the German secret service detonated a bomb in the outer wall of a prison and planted “escape tools” on a prisoner – a member of the Red Army Faction – which the secret service wished to frame the bombing on.

(22) A Mossad agent admits that, in 1984, Mossad planted a radio transmitter in Gaddaffi’s compound in Tripoli, Libya which broadcast fake terrorist transmissions recorded by Mossad, in order to frame Gaddaffi as a terrorist supporter. Ronald Reagan bombed Libya immediately thereafter.

(23) The South African Truth and Reconciliation Council found that, in 1989, the Civil Cooperation Bureau (a covert branch of the South African Defense Force) approached an explosives expert and asked him “to participate in an operation aimed at discrediting the ANC [the African National Congress] by bombing the police vehicle of the investigating officer into the murder incident”, thus framing the ANC for the bombing.

(24) An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army admit that, in the 1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings (and see this video; and Agence France-Presse, 9/27/2002, French Court Dismisses Algerian Defamation Suit Against Author).

(25) In 1993, a bomb in Northern Ireland killed 9 civilians. Official documents from the Royal Ulster Constabulary (i.e. the British government) show that the mastermind of the bombing was a British agent, and that the bombing was designed to inflame sectarian tensions. And see this and this.

(26) The United States Army’s 1994 publication Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces – updated in 2004 – recommends employing terrorists and using false flag operations to destabilize leftist regimes in Latin America. False flag terrorist attacks were carried out in Latin America and other regions as part of the CIA’s “Dirty Wars“. And see this.

(27) Similarly, a CIA “psychological operations” manual prepared by a CIA contractor for the Nicaraguan Contra rebels noted the value of assassinating someone on your own side to create a “martyr” for the cause. The manual was authenticated by the U.S. government. The manual received so much publicity from Associated Press, Washington Post and other news coverage that – during the 1984 presidential debate – President Reagan was confronted with the following question on national television:

At this moment, we are confronted with the extraordinary story of a CIA guerrilla manual for the anti-Sandinista contras whom we are backing, which advocates not only assassinations of Sandinistas but the hiring of criminals to assassinate the guerrillas we are supporting in order to create martyrs.

(28) ... 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/03/false-flags-4.html

 

[hot enough]

Omni disappears again. 

"There was an explosion before the plane hit the tower." William Rodriguez [who was in WTC basement]

At 32:22 of,

The 'BBC v 9/11 Truth Court Case' - What The Judge Saw...

 

[Omni]

None of what you have gone to such effort to provide here is convincing with regard to 9-11. None of it supports the idea of how the WTC towers could have been loaded, and the myriad people who would have had to have known were silenced all these years. And of course there's your faulty science. But I'll give you E for effort.

[hot enough]

16 minutes ago, Omni said:

None of what you have gone to such effort to provide here is convincing with regard to 9-11. None of it supports the idea of how the WTC towers could have been loaded, and the myriad people who would have had to have known were silenced all these years. And of course there's your faulty science. But I'll give you E for effort.

It's particularly childish, delusional to offer your arrant nonsense, above, considering how many false flag events you have never heard of. That is how "need to know basis" works. It's easy to see it's a cover up by how many scientists are silent. Asked to defend the US government conspiracy theory no one from any US university physics department would do so.

Even you lie about the towers design and then flee, time after time. 

Even you ignore absolute impossibilities in the US conspiracy theory and then you flee. 

[hot enough]

How did the US nanothermite get in WTC dust?