BC_chick Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Fair enough point. So what is the solution in your opinion? I'm genuinely interested in hearing an alternative. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 I take it you will stop consuming and lead by example? We have to eat to live, but as it is I have no children and am a vegetarian. Quote
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Fair enough point. So what is the solution in your opinion? I'm genuinely interested in hearing an alternative. Less money spent on the military to fund a sustainable model where the population can even decline. Edited November 1, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
BC_chick Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Also regarding the childcare benefit. Why should people who are doing the right thing and lowering the population by not having children having to pay for others to have children? In order to reward those lowering population, we have to first accept that it's the right thing to do and at this point in time, that is not the popular opinion. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Wilber Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Also regarding the childcare benefit. Why should people who are doing the right thing and lowering the population by not having children having to pay for others to have children? Keep doing the right thing. Eventually there will be none of you left. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Humans are an inherently self destructive species with near complete disregard for the rest of the biosphere. If humans are thus critically flawed why should popular opinion prevail if it is destructive? Quote
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Keep doing the right thing. Eventually there will be none of you left. Even if I had children there would be none of me left in 70 years. Quote
BC_chick Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Less money spent on the military to fund a sustainable model where the population can even decline. So what do we do when we need a military? The last decade or so haven't been good examples, agreed, but do you really think all war is unnecessary? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Yes humanity should take the next stage in evolutionary development and abolish warfare. Quote
Wilber Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Even if I had children there would be none of me left in 70 years. And for the last 20 or so, someone else's kids will have to look after you. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
BC_chick Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Yes humanity should take the next stage in evolutionary development and abolish warfare. So how do we get everyone on board? Or do we disarm and hope nobody attacks us? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 It is difficult, but I've always firmly believed that the best form of leadership is to lead by example. Quote
BC_chick Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 I really admire your idealism, but aren't you contradicting yourself if you think humans are a hideous species, but capable of disarming if led by example? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Wilber Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 It is difficult, but I've always firmly believed that the best form of leadership is to lead by example. What kind of leadership? Neutrals like Sweden and Switzerland have relatively strong militaries because neutrals don't have allies to support them. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
hitops Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) We have to eat to live, but as it is I have no children and am a vegetarian. In my experience people who live like that tend to have contempt for others. This may not be you specifically, however you did voice disgust with humans. Why no disgust with yourself, as a human? Edited November 1, 2015 by hitops Quote
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 I really admire your idealism, but aren't you contradicting yourself if you think humans are a hideous species, but capable of disarming if led by example? I'm not saying that humans don't have potential. They do, only we aren't living up to it by destroying the biosphere. Quote
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 In my experience people who live like that tend to have contempt for others. This may not be you specifically, however you did voice disgust with humans. Why no disgust with yourself, as a human? If you take an objective view of humanity it would be difficult not to have contempt for it. Quote
hitops Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) If you take an objective view of humanity it would be difficult not to have contempt for it. You are part of it. Do you have contempt for yourself? I'm asking because people who think like that generally what they are doing is fine, it is 'everyone' else who is the problem. Less money spent on the military to fund a sustainable model where the population can even decline. We spend almost nothing on the military in relative terms. Edited November 1, 2015 by hitops Quote
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 What kind of leadership? Neutrals like Sweden and Switzerland have relatively strong militaries because neutrals don't have allies to support them. Sweden and Switzerland also don't have the great moats which are the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans as Orwell noted in 1984. If Canada wants peace we should demonstrate it by living it. Quote
hitops Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) CRA loses about 2.4 billion a year from income-splitting. 43% of that amount goes to the top 20% of the population (140K+/yr). For those with $45K or less, the piece of the pie is 0.3%. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/distribution-of-income-splitting/article21382406/?from=21382476 I guess you are calling $140K and above wealthy. I'm not sure I would agree, but there is no official definition. I don't know where they get their 1% at $444K. I thought most put it at just under $200K. Edited November 1, 2015 by hitops Quote
hitops Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Posted November 1, 2015 Sweden and Switzerland also don't have the great moats which are the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans as Orwell noted in 1984. If Canada wants peace we should demonstrate it by living it. We are not? Quote
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 "You are part of it. Do you have contempt for yourself? I'm asking because people who think like that generally what they are doing is fine, it is 'everyone' else who is the problem. "I recognize the destructive tendencies within myself being a human and try to mitigate them. "We spend almost nothing on the military in relative terms."The military budget in 2012 was 20 billion dollars. That's a lot of money. Quote
Wilber Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Sweden and Switzerland also don't have the great moats which are the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans as Orwell noted in 1984. If Canada wants peace we should demonstrate it by living it. Oh' so we can demonstrate our desire for peace because we have great moats. Lucky us. What does that do for countries which don't have great moats other than demonstrate our hypocrisy by telling them they should follow our noble example. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 We are not? We've been engaged in overseas wars for most of the last 2 decades. Quote
G Huxley Posted November 1, 2015 Report Posted November 1, 2015 Oh' so we can demonstrate our desire for peace because we have great moats. Lucky us. What does that do for countries which don't have great moats other than demonstrate our hypocrisy by telling them they should follow our noble example. Are we running Canada or other countries? Quote
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